[car engine] mike spinelli: happy birthday,henry ford. you're 150! leo parente: would have been. mike spinelli: wouldhave been. love, ian whelan. see? he signed it. ian's behind the camera,of course.
so, today on "after/drive," itwas henry ford's birthday, and everybody's been showinghim a lot of love. leo parente: and talk aboutaccomplishments and success of ford? mike spinelli: exactly. leo parente: that wouldbe too easy for us. mike spinelli: ford isdoing great now. but that would be too easy forus because everybody needs a little bit of an antagonist,and that's going to be us
today on "after/drive." leo'sgot a history with ford. he was there when some productthat wasn't exactly the best stuff came out. leo parente: yeah, hopefullyi'll not bore you with the stories, but the cars i wasaround when we were working for ford motor company, they'regoing to come around in this list. mike spinelli: and we'regoing to talk about our bottom five from ford.
so that's today on"after/drive." [music playing] leo parente: so mikey, i likethis "after/drive" idea. anyone can do a top 10 list. mike spinelli: yeah. leo parente: we're doing what? mike spinelli: we're doing abottom list, the bottom five. leo parente: the five worstfords we think-- mike spinelli: well, ourfive worst fords.
i mean, we're going to probablyhave some issues with each other's picks. leo parente: thatcould be good. mike spinelli: thatcould be fun. leo parente: and in fairness toford, some of these on our list were big sales successes. mike spinelli: yeah, yeah,they were huge, right? so it's not necessarilythey were-- i mean, and they came at a timewhen there were a lot of
crappy cars out there. leo parente: so these were theford's best crappy cars. mike spinelli: ford'sbest crappy cars. leo parente: see? it's a best list. mike spinelli: also, wait 'tillouis chevrolet's birthday. we're going to getat him, too. all right, so you were there. so give us the back story,because you were at ford.
leo parente: ok, so the shortversion is, from '77 to '85, i had joined ford motor companycoming out of school with my little mba and was in the fieldhelping wholesale cars to dealers, ended up atrenaissance center when they owned the renaissance center,coming up with the marketing plans to launch some of these"cars." and they made the list, you'll see. mike spinelli: all right, solet's just get right to it, because the obvious choice--
and i'm not even goingto say it because it's not on my list-- is the pinto. leo parente: yeah, you'vegot to start with pinto. so what have you got? mike spinelli: i've gotto start with pinto. first of all, for me, pintowas a great success. leo parente: ok, wow. really?
mike spinelli: 24 months fromdrawing board to production, first of all. second of all-- leo parente: and how manymonths to the lawsuit? mike spinelli: [laughing] 80? leo parente: oh, ok good. the lawsuits per gallon weremore than the mileage. mike spinelli: well,all right.
well, let's just say itwas the ford pinto. styling was-- i give it a seven on styling. but i will also give it a eightin terms of interior room compared to volkswagenbeetle, which is what they were going after. and also, they were competingwith the chevy vega, which they were both happeningat the same time. and they were both kind ofgetting from zero to market as
quickly as possible withthese new cheap cars. leo parente: so my versionof pinto is real easy. the image of the thing was sodamning to the ford motor company at the time. i got two stories. one, the only way i couldwholesale pintos to ford dealers was when the truck wouldshow up, you put the truck that they want behindthe two pintos that they didn't want.
the truck guy unloads both cars,or you tell the dealer the only way you're going getthe truck you want is to take the two pintos. that's how bad that was. number two-- mike spinelli: because truckswere flying off the shelves. leo parente: truckswere great. no one wanted pintos becauseno one was buying pintos. mike spinelli: but bythe way, what year?
so this was later onin pinto life. leo parente: '77, '78. mike spinelli: well, becausethey sold two million pintos before that. leo parente: yeah, but theyhad a bad image, and they stopped selling-- mike spinelli: well, eventually,eventually. leo parente: so anyway,number two story? leo parente: i swear togod this is true.
there was a pinto brochure. and the basic pinto they hadin the brochure was kind of brownish amber whatever, andit was the base car, so it didn't have the bright grill. and literally, the color wasburnt orange, and the grill was called charcoal, and thiswas in the brochure in the middle of this. so it was fun. you're voting up for pinto.
mike spinelli: all right, sonow let's just face it. the build quality of a lot ofthese cars back then was crap. i mean, the chevy vega and thepinto were some of the-- leo parente: it's allrelative, but yes. mike spinelli: i mean, i knowsomebody who bought a pinto, and the engine literally fellout on the way home. leo parente: keep going for yourlist because when i get to mine, i've got a buildquality story for you. mike spinelli: so i'm goingto go with pinto first.
leo parente: yay. mike spinelli: all right,i've got another one-- fairmont. leo parente: 417,000, beatmustang as a sales leader. mike spinelli: ok, so it wastechnically the first car on the fox body platform. leo parente: yes, it was. mike spinelli: butit was just junk. but second of all, it had thehorn, so for some reason-- you
may have a story about this--but ford decided to take the horn off the steering wheel andput it on the side stalk. leo parente: because itwas quite european. mike spinelli: is thatwhat that was? leo parente: yeah. mike spinelli: what europeancars have the horn over here? leo parente: how thehell do i know? i was living in new yorkwholesaling fords. but anyway, yeah, that wasthe whole premise.
mike spinelli: butwhat the hell? i mean, honestly,i rented one. i mean, i rented one. so this is actually beforei could even drive. my parents rented one. and my dad kept jamming histhumb, because he was a horn guy, right? so he would alwaysbe on the horn. but if anything happened, atruck pulled out six streets
away, he'd, you know, come on! but so he jammed his thumbbecause every time he hit the center of the wheel,nothing happened. leo parente: yeah, but thinkhow much quieter the neighborhood was. mike spinelli: that's true. no, really what the hellwas the deal with that? leo parente: i don't know. as bad as fairmont was, i've gota worse fairmont for you.
remember the first downsizedthunderbird built off the fox chassis? mike spinelli: yeah, it lookedlike the fairmont with closed headlights. leo parente: squared off? yeah, so to me, that's my firstworst ford on the list. it was just a horrible car. but here come my two stories. one, i swear to god theseare true, ok.
i was asked to pitch the carto the dealers when we launched it here in new york. so i got up on stage and said,hey, ladies and gentleman dealers, here's thenew thunderbird. i'm here to make thecar look bigger. mike spinelli: thatwas your joke? leo parente: that wasmy downsizing joke. i got in trouble for that one. second of all, my firstcompany car--
mike spinelli: did you reallyget in trouble for that? because you're right. that was the year thatthe energy crisis had hit in the mid '70s. so by the late '70s, everythingdownsized. everything got really small. so the thunderbird used tobe a big car, and then it became like what? it was several feet shorter.
leo parente: new york withthe dealers, it was like open mike night. i mean, our meetingswere hilarious. and dealers would complain aboutthe head room in the thunderbird, and i wouldliterally sit there across their desk with straightface and say, i don't have a problem. i don't understand. the second one was my companycar thunderbird was black, had
red stripes. the michelin wheels and tires. all cool, right? leo parente: beautiful car. get in it, thunderbirdin front of me. i look to my right. the dash said cougar,the sister car built at the same place. i get out of the car.
the passenger sidewas a cougar. my driver's side wasa thunderbird. mike spinelli: so they hadattached the wrong-- leo parente: yeah, a littlebit of that quality build thing you were talkingabout earlier. mike spinelli: wow. job two at that point. leo parente: job idon't give a-- all right, so--
leo parente: thunderbird'smine. mike spinelli: thunderbird'syours. so all right, soi got one, leo. ford exp. leo parente: [coughing] go ahead. mike spinelli: really? mike spinelli: two seater. mike spinelli: actually, i feellike i'm defending these
now, because the ford expsort of looked ok. it had those weird pop-upheadlights. leo parente: see, here's wherei get confused with spinellisms. this is the worst list. do you like the exp or not? mike spinelli: [chuckling] i think it's probablyone of the worst cars that they built.
however, i think their heartwas in the right place. and i think the exp came at atime right before i think ford had a sort of renaissance. it was that late '80s. ford really kind of felt like aforward-thinking car company in the late '80s, partly becauseof taurus and also because they had madetheir cars sort of-- they used a little bit ofcladding, but they-- leo parente: come on.
how did cladding become a-- mike spinelli: no,but it wasn't, because it wasn't overdone. do you remember theford escort gt? kind of looked very sporty leo parente: into the '80s. mike spinelli: --andvery european. this is sort of '86,'87, '88, '89. leo parente: so claddingequals--
mike spinelli: well, the waythey did it, i think, still looked pretty good. the bumpers were incorporatedinto the rest of it color-wise. they were one of the firstamerican car companies do that, because gm still had thecrappy looking bumpers. anyway, the ford exp wasjust basically an escort with two seats. leo parente: yes, there wassome type of mind-melding
moment in dearborn wherethey thought we needed a sports car. and the rumors were talkingabout a sports car so everyone got excited. then they showed up with thisfrog-faced front drive piece of crap that couldn't getout of its own way. mike spinelli: thatwas the problem. it couldn't get outof its own way. it was really--
leo parente: and you knowhow these cars suck? the minute they tell you youhave to order one as a company car, we know we're notselling them, ok? so i had my white and blackwith red interior-- mike spinelli: nice. leo parente: vinyl, i think. vinyl. mike spinelli: iwould imagine. leo parente: exp,piece of crap.
mike spinelli: ok. leo parente: so we agree. mike spinelli: so we're actuallyagreeing on this one. so exp is on the list. pinto? i don't know. we'll leave that fairmont? so you're going to sayyes to the fairmont? leo parente: fairmont?
well, it's a piece of crap,and the thunderbird was a bigger one. mike spinelli: ok, all right. well, so i've got one for you. leo parente: ok. mike spinelli: the granada. leo parente: [laughing] had that, too. mike spinelli: all right, sothe granada was a midsized
luxury car, basically. and not if it wasamerican luxury. leo parente: to your point,heavier build. it felt more quality. the interior was prettynice, pretty quiet. it came in reallywickedly strange colors, green and blues. mike spinelli: very'70s, yeah. leo parente: but for the time,everyone liked the car.
mike spinelli: so not crappy? i mean,they solda lot of these. all of these cars theysold a ton of them. leo parente: no, to me,granada is not crappy. what is crappy is the granadalincoln versailles. mike spinelli: oh. leo parente: remember? cadillac did a seville, littleboutiquey-shaped luxury car. ford didn't have anything--
lincoln. so guess what? let's take the frickin' granadaand stick a bigger padded roof on it. mike spinelli: the versailles. that was a terrible,terrible car. leo parente: it was thepanamera of the time. because you'd be in thecar, and it was nice to be in the interior.
you'd get out of the car, and itwould be like what the eff have i done. mike spinelli: yeah,but at least the panamera is great to drive. the versailles was exactlylike the granada. it may have been-- leo parente: that was asarcastic comparison. mike spinelli: ok, thank you. leo parente: ok, i'mnot comparing.
mike spinelli: justmaking sure. leo parente: so versaillesgoes on my [bleep] [bleep] list. mike spinelli: so versailleis on your shit list. but i must say somethingabout the seville. the cadillac seville that theywere competing against was the second most expensive cadillacthat they made. it's not like cadillac made asmall cadillac and made it the
entry-level car. they made it smaller, and theywent after mercedes, and they were selling thatthing for like-- it was like $17,500in the showrooms. the only thing more expensivethan a seville was like a fleetwood 60, whatever that-- leo parente: well, again,thinking i remember what the hell was going on, seville wasa good thing for cadillac. mike spinelli: right.
leo parente: ford was lacking,so they took their first step to do something as quicklyas possible. eventually, they built anactually dedicated lincoln continental to put against it. leo parente: they evenripped off that fastback-y rear thing. mike spinelli: well, by the'80s, they had actually started making strides again. this was sort of like-- a lotof the late '70s cars felt
like they were all just sortof patchwork because the economy was so bad. so they just took what-- leo parente: i'm notdisagreeing. mike spinelli: yeah, exactly. leo parente: we sold thesame car 14 times. matter of fact, tothat extension, you had gran torino. leo parente: you had thunderbirdbuild off that.
then you had the grantorino elite. mike spinelli: wait a minute. your gran torino elite-- leo parente: oh, that'syour car? mike spinelli: no, youhad it on your list, the gran torino elite. so what the heck was that? leo parente: well, that's thewhole point of platform sharing packagingto its extreme.
you change the opera window,and it's a different car. mike spinelli: opera window. see, that's another thing. that's like one of thoseconceits from the '70s. what was the deal with that? you we're going to theopera so you need to look out the window. i mean what was the-- was it supposed to belike opera glasses?
leo parente: you're askingme questions i don't know the answer to. mike spinelli: but all right, imean, it could be like opera glasses, but it was one ofthose dopey-- like landau roof, right? i mean, the landau car in theold days was the driver was outside, but the passengerwas inside. but that was like the '20s. so?
mike spinelli: or even in likethe buggy days, i think. leo parente: hey, i guaranteeyou can go someplace at some dealership either in mid-americaor probably here in new york and find paddedroofs on cars that they're currently selling. mike spinelli: perhaps. that became a dealer thing,you're right. leo parente: anyway. mike spinelli: all right, sowe've got the weird gran
torino elite with the side. what do you call it? the-- leo parente: body molding. mike spinelli: body molding. but they were like-- leo parente: well, dependingon which car you ordered. mike spinelli: what werethey made out of? leo parente: oh, it wasvinyl-y something.
mike spinelli: yeah,it was like weird but soft vinyl, right? leo parente: someof them, sure. leo parente: based on the caryou ordered, it was where they put the molding. leo parente: so thunderbird,gran torino elite, just work your way up the car. mike spinelli: all right, so iwant to just bring out the mustang ii, because themustang ii is an
obvious one, right? because they took themustang off the torino platform, right? leo parente: lee iacocca. mike spinelli: yes. leo parente: was godto that car. mike spinelli: yes, he was. leo parente: most italianhouseholds, there's sinatra, pope, iacocca.
mike spinelli: iacocca,right, exactly. leo parente: i mean that'san obvious choice. mike spinelli: three picturesand he'd getcha. leo parente: so anyway,iacocca did what? mike spinelli: so by '73, themustang had exploded out to the torino platform. leo parente: it was huge. mike spinelli: right, butit was in that, right? it was on that platform?
leo parente: i think so. mike spinelli: and then theytook it off that and put it the pinto platform. leo parente: makes sense. mike spinelli: makes perfectsense, which iacocca would go on to do at chrysler with thek-car platform becoming the platform for everything forchrysler and actually saved chrysler with that. and by the way, one might arguethat the crappy as it
was mustang ii savedford because they sold more of those-- leo parente: totally. mike spinelli: --than they hadin the '60s as a pony car. it was actually an economycar that was more sort of up market. leo parente: well, and i likedhow the whole thing evolved. it started with a v6, aeuropean v6, that was originally the german cologneengine from capri.
mike spinelli: capri, right. leo parente: so it had a4-cylinder overhead cam, 2.3, and then the v6. leo parente: but then it alltook hold, and we had like v8s and king cobras. mike spinelli: the cobra,the king cobra. leo parente: "charlie'sangels." mike spinelli: yes, farahhad the white with the blue stripe cobra.
but jaclyn smith had thesort of-- the ghia. leo parente: that's right. they picked the mustang basedon their personality. they did, except thatpoor sabrina got stuck with the pinto. i thought sabrina was hot. leo parente: oh yeah, well,she makes my list, too. so now we've movedfrom cars to-- mike spinelli: yes, to"charlie's angels." but i
mean, it is the '70s. leo parente: and what of"bj and the bear?" mike spinelli: "bj and the bear"drove a kenworth, right? ok, anyway, so we'vegot fairmont. we've got granadaor versailles. we actually took granada off,so it's now lincoln, versailles, mustang ii, exp. leo parente: i feel like i'mdoing a lottery card. mike spinelli: no, no thisis a lottery card.
it's actually the ford'70s lottery. all right, but if youwin, you lose. mike spinelli: that'sthe kind of thing. we have to say edsel, eventhough edsel wasn't-- leo parente: i would saynot, but keep going. mike spinelli: well, the problemwith edsel was that they spent a ton of money, butthey also launched it into one of the worst recessionssince the war. i mean, the '58 recessionwas bad.
leo parente: so you likeedsel in effect? mike spinelli: i don't reallylike the looks of it a lot. i think the thing is that theymade a car that was sort of a little bit ugly and polarizing,but it was not a terrible car. leo parente: edsel becomes aterrible car to me the way pinto is a terrible car. you may be right about thecircumstances and the product, but it's like obamacare.
the perception and the reactionhave far exceeded what the car is all about. so edsel is a problemfor ford, because it's everyone's punchline. it still is the punchlinefor failure. mike spinelli: yeah, it's thepunchline for failure. and that's the problem, is thatthat's not necessarily-- leo parente: oh god, he'schanging his opinion. he's changing.
mike spinelli: no, it's notnecessarily their fault. all right. leo parente: so,fine, we got-- mike spinelli: so are we leavingedsel, or are we taking edsel off? leo parente: you can leave edselon the list if you want, or you can take itoff, if you like. mike spinelli: i wouldlike to take it off. leo parente: take it off.
mike spinelli: i'mtaking it off. so now we got fairmont,mustang ii. you got your lincolnversailles. you got the ford exp. leo parente: my babythunderbird. mike spinelli: pinto. so what's next? so, one of your motorsportsheritage cars, the first ford gt, was it '64?
leo parente: yeah, i couldn'tdo the bad ford list without tapping into racing. so when ford launched their gtproject, the first time they went to le mans was 1964. cars had like a colottigearbox. 24-hour race, all three carsbarely made it like the first and second hour. the car was just a disaster-- wire wheels, not built well.
the only way it succeeded wasafter they took it to shelby, brought it-- sorry, uk people-- to americato fix the car. and then the next cars becameamerican built, and it was all a big success, all the waythrough the john wyer days, which funny i mention thatname because he came from aston martin to run fordadvanced vehicles to start the ford gt program, whichwas the failure that makes it on the list.
because that whole ford gt, fordin europe was a big, big thing for the company. it was very important,and it was failing that first two years. mike spinelli: i would say iwould disagree with putting it on a list of all theford failures. i mean, i think that the wholeford gt program was a success, just the idea of them doingit in the face of indy. and there was a lot of negativepress coming around
for racing at that point. leo parente: yeah, but abad car is a bad car. that was a bad car. it was a bad race car. it was almost as bad asthe tucker/ford/miller collaboration in 1935. mike spinelli: front-wheeldrive? leo parente: well, tuckerconvinced ford to build 10 race cars for indy500 with miller.
front-wheel driveto your point. and somehow the steering box gotnext to the exhaust, so in the early laps they allkind of failed. ford had on their face, tuckerwalked away to do other brilliant things. mike spinelli: that tucker. leo parente: but that'sanother bad car. mike spinelli: but hewas that tucker. that was preston tucker.
leo parente: he was thatpreston tucker, yeah. but that's anotherbad race car. i did not know that. so ok, well, wait a minute. so is it first fordgt on the list? are we doing miller? leo parente: well, if you allowme to put it on the list, i like the ford gt on thelist as a bad race car. the miller was just likea little vignette.
mike spinelli: allright, all right. so we'll keep thefirst ford gt. you know, this is a good one. this is another one of yours. this is the last onethat you have-- the heritage edition ranchero. leo parente: [laughing]. mike spinelli: whatthe hell is a heritage edition ranchero?
leo parente: so, i'm assumingeveryone understands what the ranchero/el caminoconcept was. leo parente: ranchero was atthe end of its life in-- i don't know-- '79, '80,something like that. and on the thunderbird side,we had the top-of-the-line luxury condition called theheritage thunderbird. so at the end of the model year,it turns out we had too many heritage thunderbird front seats, velour and leather.
so someone in dearborn got thisbrilliant idea to put the front seats, which we had toomany, in the last rancheros, which we were closingup production. next thing you know, a $12,000heritage edition ranchero that no one frickin' wanted. i mean, this was a wholesaledisaster. mike spinelli: sowait a minute. tell me about that. how often did stuff like thathappen where there was like
seats left over, and you hadto create like an edition around some stuff thathad been built? leo parente: i havea feeling-- mike spinelli: you know,we got extra stripes. it's the rally edition. leo parente: i have a feelingmore than we knew. i can tell you that each region,each district, had the flexibility to do their ownspecial equipment type vehicle, special edition, andto help the wholesale.
i became notorious at that. so literally, by checking offboxes on the rpo, some type of special order type process,i was tapping into the leftover parts. causing trouble. leo parente: selling cars,just selling cars. mike spinelli: all right, sowe've got to narrow this down to the top bottom five. leo parente: ok, fine.
let's go. mike spinelli: all right, sook, fairmont, yes or no? leo parente: no, fairmont'sa good car. fairmont thunderbirdto me would be the first one on the list. that was a crappy thunderbird mike spinelli: all right,so you're right. it's a fairmont with conceit,which makes it worse. all right, so let's put that--that will be number five.
leo parente: why'd you look atme when you said conceit? keep going. mike spinelli: all right,keep going. ok, this is in no particularorder because we'll just let these guys figure it out. granada, you said-- leo parente: i likedgranada, actually. i thought it was a decent car. mike spinelli: ok i'll givegranada, except that you also
didn't like the lincolnversailles. leo parente: i hate thelincoln versailles. mike spinelli: for the samereason as the fairmont t-bird, it's a bad car with conceit. leo parente: the pretensewas just flawed. it was a bandaid at the time,but it was a bad car. mike spinelli: ok,that's in, too. all right, so that'll be-- mustang ii, let's leaveit to the end?
leo parente: sure, whateveryou want to do. mike spinelli: because i thinkthere might be a difference of opinion on this. but anyway. leo parente: becausei'd throw it on the list, but keep going. mike spinelli: ok, edsel? i'm taking it off. leo parente: fine, fine.
mike spinelli: exp? leo parente: bad car. mike spinelli: allright, bad car. leo parente: it wasa front drive-- mike spinelli: expis on the list. leo parente: ok, good. mike spinelli: ok, pinto. we got to-- i guess pinto has to be--
leo parente: well, i thought youstarted with you wanted-- mike spinelli: i'ma pinto defender. leo parente: we don't haveto put it on the list. i think it was abad situation. it might not havebeen a bad car. mike spinelli: allright, screw it. pinto's off. pinto's off the list. leo parente: see,i'm helping you.
mike spinelli: look at that. i thought we would be-- we'dhave more of a fight. your first ford gt. leo parente: i think it'sa bad car because it was a bad car. it failed miserably. mike spinelli: but i think thatthe whole idea that ford was actually going after ferrariwas a good thing. so i think everything withinthat umbrella was good.
leo parente: but we're notranking the ideas. otherwise, we'd go back and havethe edsel discussion and the pinto discussion. the car sucked, ok? the later-generation gts werebrilliant, and maybe their suckiness motivated success. but that car, bad race car. mike spinelli: suckinessmotivates success. i'm going to get a t-shirtwith that on it.
so we'll put the ford gt on. leo parente: you're goingto give me one? mike spinelli: we're going togive you the ford gt, the first ford gt. fairmont t-bird is on it. leo parente: i'm up to three. i've got the versaillesand t-bird and-- mike spinelli: ok, hereyou go, here you go. one or the other--
gran torino elite or heritageedition ranchero? leo parente: they built moreelite so that's the worst car. mike spinelli: because theybuilt more of them? leo parente: sure. mike spinelli: i guess you'reright, the overall effect of the torino elite. ok cool, so we're down--all right, that's it. so we're down to mustang ii. leo parente: ooh!
ok. mike spinelli: is the mustang iigoing to knock another car off the list just becauseits crap? leo parente: even thoughmike musto loves-- my mic's all over the floor. even though mike musto lovesthe steering gear from the mustang ii, because they'rein most hot rods-- mike spinelli: that's right. it's a very compact
rack-and-pinion situation, right? leo parente: and even thoughiacocca came up with mustang ii for a good reason, [bleep] mustang, bad mustang. on the list. mike spinelli: i say no,and here's why-- farah fawcett-majors. three words. leo parente: well,you know what?
if she came with every car-- mike spinelli: well-- leo parente: don't do thejoke that's going to go with that line, ok? sure, whatever you wantto do with mustang ii. but it would never beon my list of-- it would be on my listof bad cars. mike spinelli: i'm takingit off, off the list. leo parente: well,it's your show.
it's "after/drive." mike spinelli: king cobra,also off the list. leo parente: but by the way,back to your cladding comment, what a festival of claddingthat was. mike spinelli: well, claddingisn't always bad. leo parente: what do we got? so what about the fans? mike spinelli: that's it. we're done.
leo parente: well, we're done,but what about the fans? what do you guys think? mike spinelli: yeah, well,what do you guys think? which are the worstfords in history? leo parente: oh, and i'vegot add, because we have completely ignored europe,and i'm going to-- mike spinelli: oh,that's true. leo parente: --frankly playto a little bit of-- oh god.
the point is, tell us what fordcars around the globe we may have missed as bad fords. mike spinelli: yeah,very good. leo parente: happybirthday, henry. you're 150, and you did a lotof good things, but some things not so much. that's "after/drive"for today. don't forget, slashdrive.tv,@drive on twitter, facebook.com/drivetv, alsodrive.jalopnik.com.
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