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leo parente: yes, and welcometo drive, our version of how to watch the 24 hoursof le mans-- now 24 hours, maybe45 minutes. jf musial: 45 minutes plus24, there we go. leo parente: hey jf, thanks forputting all this together. jf musial: oh no, it's ateam effort of course. leo parente: so the magicnumbers are 23, 24, and 25. 1923 is the first le mans. now we're on the 80th le mans.

24, obviously twicearound the clock. you know, it used to be a testof durability, of technology and automotive. now, this year's le mans isgoing to be the start of a new generation testing thenew technology of the automotive future. and 25, the hours we choseto be here to help-- jf musial: because we wanted-- leo parente: --bringthis to you.

jf musial: --to be one betterthan the actual race. leo parente: that's right. that's totally, totally right. so this is going to be a livestream, and a viewing party, and a chat fest. but what a race we'regoing to have. in p1, we've got toyotaversus audi. in p2, we've got hondaversus nissan. in gt, it's ferrari versuscorvette, versus porsche,

versus aston martin. and then there's thatbox 56, the delta-- jf musial: deltawing-- leo parente: ok. jf musial: --which we're goingto be hearing a lot about today, especially fromall the teams. leo parente: yeah. obviously no one completesthe le mans 24 all alone. so that was the theme of"it takes a team," and

we're a team here. and we want you, with93,000 subscribers-- jf musial: 93,000 subscribers,yeah. leo parente: --about 13million views now-- jf musial: and a tweet too,about 1.2 million people from youtube this morning,so great. leo parente: awesome. so what better way towatch a great race. but exactly what are wegoing to be doing?

well, first of all, we wantyou to find the broadcast somewhere on tv or a webcastto view the race with us. just listen to radio lemans if you want. dial up the timing and scoring,although we're going to have the timing andscoring here as well. and then we want you to staywith us, because we're going to bring you additionalcontent. we've got a couple peoplein the field at le mans. jf musial: yeah, we've gotgeorge and zarin, who will be

calling in and sending us videothroughout the 25 hours. they've already sent us probably2 hours worth of content from the past day. so we'll be showcasing that inthe first few hours, and then live updates as we go throughthe progress of the race. leo parente: right. every hour, kind of thisshakedown area, we're going to do kind of some insights andtranslation of what's going on and analysis.

we've got those videos. we've got people calling in. we've got-- jf musial: we've gotlive timing. leo parente: --live timing. interviews from a lot ofdrivers, a lot of people, and some special drive videos ithink you've got going in too. jf musial: we'll set thoseup later in the show. but the bottom line,that team thing, so

who's going to do it? it's not just you and me. it's-- jf musial: no. leo parente: --everyonefrom drive. jf musial: we've gota peanut gallery. so we've got the wholeteam here. and, like we said, some are onassignment, some are helping us as drive partners.

so-- mike spinelli: hey! jf musial: look at you. you're on the air. mike spinelli: look at that. jf musial: [laughs] mike spinelli: goodto see you guys. glad to be here. i'm keeping an eyeon the chat feed.

leo parente: did you see thevideo, the opening video? mike spinelli: itwas delicious. leo parente: did you likethe way you looked? mike spinelli: i neverlike the way i look. [laughter] mike spinelli: no, but i-- alex roy: it's horrible. look. wait--

mike spinelli: i like alex's-- jf musial: he's a lifeguard in big-- mike spinelli: he's the lifeguard, just in case. mike spinelli: just in casewe get in over our heads. alex roy: well, it israiny a little. and so in case anyone[inaudible] you need some help. jf musial: well, it wasraining this morning. we actually havea live webcam--

alex roy: ok, see thisis not going to work. look at my gut, and i gotmy rolls coming out. mike spinelli: all right. jf musial: so this shot backhere, we have a live webcam about 10 miles eastof le mans. so we can actually see when it'sgoing to start raining, and it looks like it's on theway already this morning. mike spinelli: so how'sthat going to affect tire strategy, leo?

mike spinelli: isthat too early? too early for that discussion? leo parente: actually, not todigress a little bit, but it is going to have an interestingtranslation. michelin introduced a hybridintermediate tire for those damp, drying, pseudo-wetconditions. and we've got to get into it,and ask you guys what that means with some of the newsthat went out there. because that's going to have aneffect on how they can do

tires stints, and franklyhow quick they can go if it's inclimate. but you know, it's not justyou guys from drive. we're going to have call-insfrom chris harris, mike musto-- jf musial: musto, and-- leo parente: --matt farah. jf musial: farah, yes. and we're also going to havepeople that we've known

throughout the community, andknown throughout the circuit. we travel to all the alms races,so we're going to have people like sean heckman, whoactually used to race with patrick long as akid as a karter. and plenty more along the way,including some journalists who will be joining us on the couchthroughout the evening. leo parente: yeah, and don'ttell alex roy, but his good friend charles morgan-- jf musial: yes!

leo parente: --calledme this morning-- jf musial: not you. leo parente: --and he'llbe calling in. alex roy: good. alex roy: it's coolto hear that. leo parente: so if you haveany delivery problems-- no, i'm sorry, he'll talkabout the race. he's got a couple ofmorgans running. are we going to be able to talkto the guys at the track,

or that's going to bea half an hour in? jf musial: that's going to bea half hour in, because they're getting ready. they're on the grid walk. i think one of the things weshould most certainly speak about is the spotter's guide,which is something that you would be able to downloadwherever-- where was it-- mike spinelli: i haveit on my nook.

jf musial: look at that. jf musial: it's pretty cool. alex roy: are you sponsoredby nook? mike spinelli: no, i'm not. i'm not sponsored by nook. i actually i'd like to hack it,make it an android device. alex roy: that's really nice. jf musial: that-- alex roy: wait a minute.

i'm going to hack it,jf, so it's-- mike spinelli: no. but anyway, you can get thespotter's guide specifically for your tablet. leo parente: yeah,alan blackmore-- jf musial:andyblackmoredesign.com. leo parente: --andy blackmoredesigned it, and our good friends, simraceway,are sponsoring it. so it's pretty much everywhereand on their blog.

jf musial: i like how youtaped them together-- leo parente: right? jf musial: --so we don'thave to do anything-- leo parente: kindof flip it over. jf musial: that's good. so this is your guide to therace in terms of figuring out who's who, what drivers arein what car, as well-- alex roy: as you just saidto read the guide via watching it on screen.

jf musial: well, download it. we'll show it on screena few times. there are a lot of teams thatrun similar paint schemes, and this will distinguishthe different cars between each other. so it's a good thingto have with you. leo parente: and let me give youa little heads up hint, if you're kind of newbie to this. the red number box arethe p1 cars, the

hybrids and the gas p1s. the blue number boxesare the p2 cars. black is your deltawing, thebox 56 special entry. green are your gt pro cars. and orange are your gt pro-am. pro-am spec, like p2, one prodriver, one amateur driver. i'm curious. opening comments, what's yourfirst impression of this race? what are you thinkinggoing into it?

jf musial: i think, as we'llstart seeing through some of the interviews, i think thetoyota audi battle is going to be very interesting. because though they are new tothe circuit, and peugeot dropped out at the lastminute, toyota is not screwing around. leo parente: no. jf musial: and everyone seesthat on the ground. they've done a great job puttingthe program together.

and they actually poached a lotof people from peugeot to come over to toyota. and of course it's a japaneseunit, but you'll see a lot of french faces in the toyotapaddock, which is very interesting. leo parente: yeah, thegerman-based tmg organization, despite their f1 record, is aperformance and a technology powerhouse. and they've got a greatfacility there.

they've got drivers likedavidson, who came over from peugeot, and a couple others. so they know the craftand what to do. and toyota is nota slouch at it. i mean here we go again withtheir mega numbers. i've heard $50 millionalready-- that's insane. leo parente: --for theirfirst year ramp up. jf musial: let's hope it goesbetter than their f1 program.

that's the hope. leo parente: i'm glad they'reup for the challenge. mike, what are you thinking? first impression of the race? mike spinelli: i'm nerding outon the hybrid stuff, because whenever a new technology comesin-- how it affects the rules, how it affects strategy,how it's phased in over the course ofa racing series. so this is the first le manswith real, actual, viable

hybrid cars. leo parente: and you've gotto forgive me for teasing. we've got 25 hours to go, butwhen you hear the interviews, there's an approach that thedrivers are using to drive the hybrid technology. there are two differentstrategies, as we get into the details of the differencesbetween the toyota and the audi approach. and, as you kind of hinted,this is the start.

the 2014 rules have beenannounced, and it is a mega leap forward in bringingthis new technology into the racing platform. alex roy-- you know, i'm starting tofeel like bob costas. is this the olympics? alex roy: i'm full on going togive you my opinion right now. i am fully rooting-- i wanna say morgan, buthe's not in lmp1--

toyota. leo parente: really? alex roy: because the absenceof peugeot just makes it, i don't want to say boring,but i'm an audi guy. i know you're an audi guy. jf musial: i am. alex roy: but racing is improvedwhen people compete. it's the state of the art. jf musial: and the toyotalooks awesome.

alex roy: yeah, it looks cool. and good for them. i mean when is the last timethere was a car from japan in the running lmp1 for real? leo parente: well, and whodoesn't love that old toyota one, the gt-one-- alex roy: yeah, and forzait's one of-- leo parente: --the ts020s-- alex roy: --the best cars.

alex roy: yeah, it'sjust a great car. so i don't want to say i wantadam to lose, but it would make racing better if toyotawas on podium. leo parente: wel, toyota rantheir infomercial on speed. matter of fact, it may berunning right now on speed. and they had allan mcnish inthat, and he was talking about the fact that the challengeof competition raises everyone's game. so it's all good.

mike spinelli: by the way, ijust want to throw in one thing, that the britsthink we're pronouncing peugeot wrong. leo parente: poo-joh. mike spinelli: "per-joh." leo parente: "per-joh?" mike spinelli: all right,it's like persia. "per-joh"-- alex roy: "per-joh"is current.

jf musial: i think it's"aluminum" too. mike spinelli: it's somethinglike that. leo parente: "ah-loo-min-yum." mike spinelli: we're nevergoing to get it perfectly right for the brits, butwe'll [inaudible]-- alex roy: well, ispeak french. so everyone knows,it's poo-joh. as in p-o-o. jf musial: why don'twe just call it--

leo parente: how about "the teamthat's no longer here, so who gives a shit." alex roy: no cursing. the hindenburg. leo parente: oh, i wantedto mumble it. i kind of mumbled it. jf musial: you can't do that. leo parente: i can'tgo italian? jf musial: no, no, no.

alex roy: by the way-- leo parente: ohhh. alex roy: --i have tocomment that the-- alex roy: --camera angle onyou guys is so much more attractive than the one on us. jf musial: there's areason for that. alex roy: that i'dlike to move-- mike spinelli: yeah, thisis a very unflattering-- but it's ok.

it's ok. i'm glad that jf-- alex roy: it's like shootingfrom the ground up-- mike spinelli: --andleo get the-- alex roy: --a blue moviefrom the ground up. we are half an hour from thestart i think, so let's rip through a couple of theother categories. because it's not all onlyabout audi and-- by the way, i'm going to domy joke right up front.

this is the sexiest p1race ever at le mans. you know why? jf musial: why? leo parente: it's all t&a. jf musial: good. all right, i can-- leo parente: everyonegot the punch line? alex roy: i didn't, but-- jf musial: toyota and audi.

leo parente: toyota and audi. it's all t&a. toyota and audi. alex roy: that's awful. awful-- leo parente: thank you. alex roy: --awful, awful. leo parente: ok, so behind thehybrid cars-- there are what, six of them, four from audiand two from toyota? mike spinelli: two from audi,and two from toyota.

leo parente: hybrids,you're right. right. and then-- mike spinelli: sorry,were you talking-- leo parente: no, you're right. and audi is runningthe four gas. mike spinelli: yes. leo parente: they're diesel. behind that are the gas cars.

and that's going to be prettymuch a toyota versus honda. because the toyota rebellions,the ones painted lotus that are neither a lotus chassis,neither a lotus engine-- mike spinelli: right. jf musial: yeah. leo parente: --basicallywhatever, are running against the, i think it's, strakkawith the hpd honda motor in p1 gas. pescarolo is back with his ownpescarolo car-- and there's a

punch line to that car thatwe'll talk about in a bit-- and they're running thejapanese dome chassis. these are all gas-poweredcars. mike spinelli: now, the dome oneis the one that bourdais is on the team, right? leo parente: yeah, sebastienbourdais is one of the drivers on that car. so here's the gig. the hybrid cars arewithin 2 seconds.

so it was a close qualifying. audi got the front row,but toyota was third. the gas cars are allgrouped within 9 seconds of each other. when we jump down to p2, it'sanother honda versus battle, honda versus nissan. and we've got morgan in there. we've got tucker'smoney in there. jf musial: oh, great.

scott tucker, love you. alex roy: scott tucker. jf musial: glad you're part ofthe show, because we're going to have a lot of contentfrom that one. leo parente: but we'vegot a ton of cars-- and on a 3:39, 3:40-somethinglap. they're all within 10 seconds. and then down to gt-- i think doug fehan was the onewho dropped the hint-- that

the cars finally brokethe 3:55 mark. under 4 minutes, significantlyfor gt, is kind of like the fastest ever. leo parente: so let'sjump back. when you look at the gas cars,do you think they have a chance against the hybrids? jf musial: you know, you can'tsay that with le mans, because there's weather. there's the rain you haveto contend with.

you've got also the fact thatthe hybrids are running much smaller fuel tankswhen compared to the normal p1 cars. leo parente: and tothat point, i got it wrong in a shakedown. so because they cut it5 more gallons-- jf musial: liters. leo parente: --liters. jf musial: liters, yeah.

leo parente: so listento this. the gas cars get 75 liters. jf musial: really? leo parente: the toyota gashybrid gets 73 liters. the ultra diesel audigets 60 liters. and the e-tron quattroonly gets 58 liters-- jf musial: interesting. leo parente: --versus75 in gas. so we're going to talk abouttires, but that whole fuel

economy, fuel mileage, is goingto make a difference in terms of the quantityof pit stops. now to give you the x factor. if i get this right,the deltawing has a 40 gallon fuel tank. i know i just mixed litersand gallons. i apologize. jf musial: that's ok. leo parente: but they'reprojecting, where the e-tron

is going to do about 13laps, they're going to get 12 on the delta. 300 horsepower, only40 gallons. again, proof of concept, mike,to use your comment. mike spinelli: yeah. leo parente: so i think we'regoing to see something where the lap times were relativelyclose, relatively, between gas and the hybrid and the diesel. but how many times they stopfor fuel is going to make a

difference in who's reallyrunning this race and leading and whatever. the p2 cars, i don't mean tochallenge y'all, but any sense-- it's basicallya japanese thing, you've got some judd enginesin there, bmws really. but nissan really steppedup in a big way. they did a lot of cars. jf musial: most certainly. to be honest with you, it's sadthat you see with p2 kind

of no one pays attentionto it. it's gt. it's always gt. it's always lmp1. but these guys are investingmillions and millions of dollars into this operation, andit's sad that there isn't a lot of coverage. and i think that we kind of havean advantage here where we can talk about those cars.

leo parente: well, and to thatpoint, just so everyone knows, when you look at the rules,the differences are rather subtle but maybe important. they're both 900 kilocars, p1 and p2. there's a differencein tire size. you run up to 16 inches in thep1 car, wide rear tire, only 14 in the p2. it's cost capped in p2. so that is, instead of havinga free-engine rule, it's a

production-based motor in p2. but you have some news aboutwhat's happening with the p2 category for next year. mike spinelli: i do. but i also wanted to add tothat, that nissan told me that the reason why theyeven got into p2-- jf musial: sorry, i'm-- [laughs] mike spinelli: see,i'm trying to--

jf musial: he quickly stuffs hisface looking, waiting for the camera to turn. mike spinelli: [inaudible] jf musial: so i waswaiting for-- mike spinelli: by the way,alex is eating an italian combo sandwich-- it's about this big-- and just jammed the entirething in his mouth. are you okay?

alex roy: please go on. mike spinelli: no, iwas gonna say that the reason why nissan-- leo parente: wait. so that bob costas, nbcolympics analogy of professionalism-- jf musial: oh yeah, it'scompletely out the door. leo parente: --that'salready-- jf musial: hey, look at that.

speed just startedtheir broadcast. mike spinelli: it only took-- mike spinelli: there'sthe honeycomb setup. no, it's not. it's corncob. leo parente: corncob,[inaudible] and don't-- mike spinelli: thecorncob setup. leo parente: i want to seesome jokes about that.

but you were saying somethingabout what he was saying before. mike spinelli: all right,let me just finish. yeah-- alex roy: before you go withthat, why is it as soon as the camera switches to the couch,everything just goes up into pieces? mike spinelli: becausethis is the couch. this is like the kids'table over here.

this is like the adultsare over here, the kids are over here. so i wanted to say nissan toldme specifically that the reason why they got into p2-- they came back into le mans ingeneral-- is that the fia instituted the production-enginerule, and they had the v8, and they wereready to go with it. so that led their decision. the second thing that you weresaying is, the announcement

from mazda for next year in lmp2is that they're bringing the skyactiv dieselwith dempsey. so dempsey racing-- jf musial: patrick dempsey. mike spinelli: --patrick dempseyof dempsey racing. they were going to-- alex roy: oh, that'snot a pr stunt. mike spinelli: no, it'snot a pr stunt. they sent the press release5 minutes before the race.

leo parente: actually, in lieuof having an engine air restrictor on the diesel,they're just going to let dempsey drive. no, that's not nice. alex roy: it's gonna havea driver engine. mike spinelli: wow! leo parente: that's not nice. that's not nice. mike spinelli: that's their--

leo parente: but actually it'scool that now we have diesel technology filter into p2. mike spinelli: in p2, yeah. it's the first one,so it'll be cool. leo parente: so gt, there'spro and am. let's focus on the pro side,because these are the drivers that are really gettingthe job done. we got factory teamfrom corvette. jf musial: it's--

leo parente: ferrariversus corvette. jf musial: that's reallywhat it's coming down to, and we'll-- jf musial: but let's-- leo parente: wait, wait. but you know what? remember we did the new year'seve, and we had a drinking game if you just said something without backing it up?

jf musial: we're 18 hoursaway from that again. why is it good that ferrariversus corvette? alex roy: the last time we hada memorable international competition that americans caredabout was ford ferrari. alex roy: and now gm ferrari. good. jf musial: you can'tdiscount aston. leo parente: no, the astonmartin is a new car, but it's been quick.

it qualified-- jf musial: very quick. leo parente: --p2, did it not? jf musial: and they've done alot of endurance testing. we saw them at sebring. they did the 24 hoursof sebring, plus-- wait, they did 12 hours andthen another 24 hours. they did 36 hours at sebring. brand new car, and there's abig, big support structure.

oh, look at that. leo parente: i think thiswas qualifying. jf musial: qualifying, ok. [inaudible] leo parente: by the way,a little aside-- don't lose your thought-- when toyota showed their littleinfomercial, it came clear that they popped amotor in qualifying. and then they lauded the factthey did a quick engine

change, but popping motorsin a 24-hour race is not a good strategy-- jf musial: let's keep in mindthat qualifying was a few hours long. alex roy: but a race is 4hours long times four. leo parente: and i hear you,but i would argue this. to try to get close to thetoyotas, i think they were revving the motor. jf musial: oh, got it.

understood your concept there. ok. leo parente: so aston martinactually could be a sleeper in this whole thing. and they're running dunlop tiresversus all the michelin. and there's, much to mysurprise, only two porsches. is that right? in the pro class, the gt? jf musial: i think so.

yeah. lizards and-- leo parente: felbermayr? jf musial: sorry. leo parente: yep. leo parente: felbermayrin the blue car. jf musial: felbermayr-protonlm. leo parente: so ifwe're looking-- jf musial: henzler,lietz, and lieb.

leo parente: yeah, a greatdriving teams. jf musial: that'sa great team. that is insane. leo parente: and when youlook at the front-- jf musial: woo! leo parente: --of the porsche,they've kind of taken off the dive planes and covered itover so that it's more of rounded arrow nose. but they're not gettingthe trap speeds.

jf musial: and because of theaco slash wec rules being different, at laguna-- at the 6 hours of laguna-- wesaw the new 997s with the new front splitters. they don't get themfor this race. so that was something theyneeded, because the car, as a 997, it's out of dateat this point. and they needed those arrowimprovements, but the wec-aco said no go on it.

leo parente: yeah, i'veheard three things. i've heard they'rebattling arrow. they're battling the restrictorin terms of power. and they're, frankly,battling getting the car still balanced. michael, what do you got? mike spinelli: one of thecommenters or chat-- what is this called, commentingor chatting? they're actually commenters--

jf musial: it's a chat. mike spinelli: --butit's a chat. but it's commentersfrom youtube-- jf musial: we're both onit right now, right? mike spinelli: yeah,we are both on it. just briefly, explainthe car 56 situation with the deltawing. jf musial: what class is it? mike spinelli: what classis the deltawing in?

leo parente: the deltawing isactually in its own class. it's uncategorizedin all the cars. now it was given performancetargets in terms of lap speeds. and it was kind of putnext to the p2 cars. and it actually achievedthose times. it qualified at a 3:42, whenthe fastest lmp1 did a 3:38 and the slowest p2 inthat group of 10 seconds did a 3:48.

now, it's doing it with halfthe weight, half the horsepower, a significant tiredurability, fantastic fuel efficiency, and it is runningits own race. it's a proof of concept. but how it performs, and whereit falls in the grid, is going to be interesting. it qualified overall 29thout of the 56 cars. and it was 2/3 of the way downin the p2 category, but they were given a performancetarget.

and the hint from the deltawingcrew has been if they unleash this car,it's still quick. mike spinelli: and justfor context-- leo parente: did i cover it? mike spinelli: yes, you did. jf musial: yeah, thanks leo. mike spinelli: but for context,last year's car 56 was the oreca hybrid. leo parente: oh, i forgot.

jf musial: jumped so faraway in one year. mike spinelli: --and that cardid only 115 laps, where the winning audi did like 360. and it was also 20 secondsbehind per lap by the end of the race. so it looks like the deltawingis much more competitive as a car 56 outlier than-- jf musial: we saw-- mike spinelli: --last year's--

leo parente: go ahead. mike spinelli: --oreca was. jf musial: we saw the deltafor the first time at sebring test days. and it was doingone-lap stints. i give them credit. they've come a long wayin only four months. four or five months that carhas been fully developed, fully used, shaken down.

and i have to admit the footagewe've seen, and the shots we've gotten from lemans during practice and qualifying, looks good. leo parente: i'm looking at theclock and i'm wondering-- behind the production sideof this is josh vitsa. we should acknowledgehis presence. josh vitsa: hi guys. leo parente: am i throwing up achallenge if we try to go to a franchitti interview whenhe talks about a number 13

shaking down the delta? josh vitsa: just gotta giveme a second to cue it up. jf musial: and let's cue upthe scrutineering here. let's get that ready. leo parente: so thisis the hint. the boys in the field have donea number of interviews, and talked to a numberof people. and we've got somegreat soundbites. josh vitsa: [inaudible]

leo parente: i'm guessingat number 13. and so we're going to be seedingthose in across the broadcast, because there'sreally wonderful information. and as much as i love listeningto myself speak, who gives a whatever. i'd love to hear fromthe real people. alex roy: who givesa deltawing. leo parente: and whogives a deltawing. and, mike, are you thechat master here?

mike spinelli: yeah, i'm goingto be the chat master, and i just want to ask, are you goingto a funeral later? that was what-- leo parente: no, i'mgoing to a-- mike spinelli: who askedthat question? leo parente: no,actually i'm-- mike spinelli: oh,that's lindsey. leo parente: no,i'm going to-- alex roy: who?

mike spinelli: that'sour bud,-- jf musial: oh, lindsey. mike spinelli: lindsey orage. you may know her for savingtiff needell's watch. leo parente: and gettingher racing license. mike spinelli: and gettingher racing license. jf musial: great video. mike spinelli: yep. leo parente: and the answer isno, i'm going to a bris slash

opening of reservoir dogs. mike spinelli: you aredefinitely mr. pink. alex roy: and blues brothersreally in concert. we have a question inthe chat, which is-- leo parente: it's myfirst communion. screw you all. alex roy: all right. i have a great comment, whichi'm going to quote, which is where is the citroensm lmp car?

jf musial: maserati didn'tdeliver the motor. alex roy: [inaudible] comment,leo taking the broadcast like a boss. leo parente: i'm trying. jf musial: so back to thedeltawing conversation-- leo parente: go. jf musial: we were goingto talk to franchitti. leo parente: yes, marinofranchitti. jf musial: yes, the brother.

leo parente: yeah, apparentlywe just talk to franchitti's now. leo parente: dario'sand marino's and-- but marino, the brother, andhe's been doing all the driving and development. the lead of it. they've got a team. i should probably figure outwho the other drivers are. leo parente: look atthis old guy thing.

michael krumm, he's no slouch. and i am not even going totry that. "mon-ta-naya." "mon-ta-naya?" "mon-ta"-- "mon-to-yama?" jf musial: let's justcall him montoya. add some more ontomontoya's resume. leo parente: the driverfrom japan. jf musial: got it. leo parente: and they paintedthe car black, so we're not

going to do those jokes. jf musial: terrible. josh vitsa: what's thatsupposed to mean? alex roy: they wanted thecars to be perfect. leo parente: hey, josh, by theway, for the first month i thought you were chris harris. leo parente: no? check it out. he looks like him.

he looks like chris harris. mike spinelli: wait, isthere a josh cam? josh vitsa: no. mike spinelli: oh-- leo parente: there shouldbe a josh cam. mike spinelli: --how couldthere not be a josh cam. josh vitsa: it would be a moreattractive field of view than the one that's onspinelli, right? mike spinelli: yeah, we havethe worst-- well, why do we

keep going there? by the way, i just want toask, josh, just a quick technical question. there's a little echocoming back. so in case-- josh vitsa: how about now? mike spinelli: i don't know. i can't hear it. but if anyone can hear the echonow, if it sounds any

better [inaudible] leo parente: so should i try towait for that video or just keep talking? josh vitsa: we're tryingto cue the video. leo parente: ok, we-- mike spinelli: so one of our-- leo parente: what-- mike spinelli: oh. no, you [inaudible]

i just wanted to say as chatmaster, what about our own predictions for the race? for each class. leo parente: if you wantto go there, we can i guess go there. mike spinelli: we cango there now. we can go there a littlelater as we get closer to the start time. jf musial: i don't want to bethat guy that's on camera

saying one thing, and thensomeone will have it, and we'll get in trouble. leo parente: it'sa big set of-- as vettel said at new jerseygrand prix and mcnish always talks about it-- it'sa big set of bs. leo parente: if wecan say that. jf musial: you can say balls. that's not one of the-- leo parente: we can say balls?

jf musial: --seven deadlywords you can't. leo parente: i'm kind of withalex roy, from the standpoint i'd like to see toyota put upa really, really good fight. if i recall, some ofthe audi people-- you got that video? leo parente: let me finishthis thought. some of the audi people expectthe car to be faster than the audis, and i think they wereshowing that in trap speed. but overall lap time,the audi.

this is their raceto lose, audi. but i think this is goingto be a real challenge. and it will be interesting tosee how much more developed they've made the carin terms of how it operates from spa to now. we're going to go to the deltamarino franchitti comment? josh vitsa: yeah. leo parente: so thisis marino-- one of his many littlesoundbites--

talking about developing andshaking down the delta. leo parente: and as jfmentioned, when we were at sebring they were taking a verymethodical approach to this to get the technologyto work, and to get the car to be quick. -well, i was signedup in january. we ran the car for thefirst time march 1. it was actually aboutthe end of january. we ran it first time actually atbuttonwillow in california.

so the car was built at allamerican racers shop, which was a thrill for me to get tohang out there for a couple weeks, and hang outwith dan gurney. he actually gave me a champagneshaking masterclass, you know after he startedthe tradition here in '69 at le mans. -that was the start. so march 1 to now is just over100 days by the time we race. it's not a lot of time todevelop any car, never mind

something as innovativeand revolutionary as the nissan deltawing. again, we're startingfrom zero. every part of this car isprototype, so there's a lot to do in a very smallspace of time. leo parente: you know what? this is kind of working. no, it is. it is.

we're just-- alex roy: you guys look great. jf musial: we're learning. just-- alex roy: i'm not complaining. i'm just praising you. jf musial: --i just want toalso specify, we apologize that, though that's anhd camera, it's all going out in 360p.

alex roy: i'm not talkingabout the resolution. i'm talking about theset, this shot. mike spinelli: all right,well yeah, look at this. hold on a sec. male voice: why are we talkingabout fitness? mike spinelli: oh,so wait a minute. alex roy: are you saying that ifwe were fit, we'd be happy with the shot? mike spinelli: maybe if wewere a little bit fitter?

alex roy: i found the anglemost attractive for me. mike spinelli: no oneover the age of 18-- leo parente: [inaudible] mike spinelli: --looks goodsitting on a couch anyway. i mean let's face it, becauseit's just everything gets sunken down. alex roy: but everyoneunder 18 looks good? mike spinelli: no, ijust made that up. alex roy: time to changemy glasses.

mike spinelli: but another thingto point out, that we are not showing the actualrace, right? leo parente: yes. mike spinelli: because a coupleof people still haven't gotten that message through. jf musial: legally we are notallowed to show race footage-- mike spinelli: thisis a [inaudible] jf musial: --liverace footage. mike spinelli: right,this is a viewing--

jf musial: but we do havefootage from the race that will be given to us from thepaddock, from the pit lane, because that is not technicallythe race circuit. so because of certain rules andregulations, we can only show a certain boundaryof content. leo parente: so literally whatwe're doing is, we don't want you to watch the race alone. jf musial: yeah, exactly. leo parente: i mean thereare only a few things

you should do alone. i'm not going to do that joke. so the the point-- alex roy: and i'm reallygood at that. mike spinelli: oh, and i'msitting next to you. leo parente: you've beenpracticing all your life? is that what you'retelling me? alex roy: one of the commentssays, we look like we're on a casting couch.

mike spinelli: what arewe casting for though? alex roy: next year. go on, leo. jf musial: well, the other thingto keep in mind is that in the us, the speed coverageis only going for i think it's 12 hours. and how else are you goingto get your information? leo parente: well, i'm goingto do the shout out. i mean they transfer overto the internet.

jf musial: yes. leo parente: but i'd argue thatwhen we get everything ramped up-- [phone ringing] alex roy: everybody wants tocall and talk about it. leo parente: mrs. spinelliis calling. when we get everything rampedup, we've got the interviews, then we've got the people inthe field, our chat, the collective dialogue.

we may be a little bit ahead ofthe curve of the standard-- no offense to my buddybrian till-- speed spew or whateveryou're watching. alex roy: i'll deliver bigoffense to your buddy, brian. leo parente: no, go ahead. alex roy: which is that at nopoint could i call up speed, go to the studio, hang out, and participate in that coverage. whereas watching it with youguys is just like being at my

house every year, exceptwe're on camera. and i really enjoy that. i'd watch it if i wasn't here. leo parente: so mikey, youcalled me out to make a prediction. i'm saying it's audi'sto lose. i say e-tron. are we going to go around theroom, or are you just going to leave me hanging out here?

mike spinelli: i thinkthis is a-- alex roy: look, there'sonly three teams. mike spinelli: --fairlyobvious thing. alex roy: only threeteams in lmp-- mike spinelli: right, with lmp1audi definitely has the organization. they've got the strategystuff. they've got the technology. it's really theirs to lose.

and if they do lose it at thee-tron level, it's because they're just not as developedas their diesel stuff. leo parente: well, and i'm goingto argue that the big hint is going to be what happenswith tires stints. if they can get that to worka little bit of magic-- [door bell rings] jf musial: oooh. male voice: someone'sat the door? jf musial: i think it's robin.

male voice: who? leo parente: --if they can getthat to work, that could become a difference maker. in p2, i think it's a toss up. in gt, i'm thinking that carrollshelby's legacy with the corvette factory team, eventhough they're not as quick as the ferrari, mayrise to the occasion. alex roy: i have a questionfor leo-- well, anyone who can answer,because i certainly can't.

what is one to make of thedestiny of the lmp1 cars other than audi and toyota, otherthan as roll chicanes. leo parente: i'm sorry? alex roy: ok. jf musial: horrible. leo parente: what? alex roy: no, no. jf musial: some of these peopleinvest millions and millions of dollars, andyou refer to them as--

alex roy: ok, but we watchformula 1, and we all know-- leo parente: which onesare the rolling chicanes, do you think? alex roy: well, i don't want toname names, but i want to be clear here, ok. when is the last time somebodyat the rear of the lmp1 field surprised everybody and pulledout a podium finish? leo parente: all through racing,there's always been a disparity of performancethrough a grid.

i've heard the marketing spinwhere some people have said this is the best grid ever, andthe old days were better. there's always beenthat disparity. the thing that i think is goingto be interesting to watch for-- and i don't knowwhether this is true-- but i'm hearing that becausethe cars are all doing relatively close v-max,that there's not this huge disparity. it's all going to be happeningin the break zones--

in the corner and, unfortunatelybecause of the braking capacity of all thesecars, mid corner. now that could make for eithersome great action or some really finger waving, "what thehell were you thinking" as there's overtaking attemptsbeing made. i have a feelingthat the gap-- and the grid is kindof showing it. the grid and speeds. because you're on the fullthrottle at le mans somewhere

between 75% to 80-pluspercent. so anyone can drivefull throttle. alex roy: not me. well, i-- oh my god, that's awesome. leo parente: well, then you haveto come off the gas in transition-- jf musial: that's scotttucker by the way. leo parente: --throughthe many turns.

jf musial: it wasscott tucker. mike spinelli: by the way-- alex roy: i gotta say, i lovethe numbers of the cars lit up on the side of the cars. mike spinelli: can i say we'rebreaking our rule of commenting on things that areon the actual channel. wasn't that a rule, thatyou said we weren't supposed to do that? male voice: what?

that's not a rule. jf musial: no, no. mike spinelli: that'snot a rule? i thought you told me-- alex roy: what kindof rule is that? then how are we supposed toknow what's going on? mike spinelli: no,i'm all for it. but i thought thatthere was a rule. leo parente: i think the rulewas not the immediacy of, oh,

look at that. because there's a littlebit of lag-- mike spinelli: hejust did that. he just goes, look at that. alex roy: i'm a human being. mike spinelli: no, i'm cool. i'm fine doing that, but-- alex roy: if you don't respondlike that, you are not watching racing.

mike spinelli: i agree. i agree with you. leo parente: so i need some-- mike spinelli: didi just touch you? sorry. come on. jf musial: so, light rain. male voice: you're cast. jf musial: we'vegot light rain.

mike spinelli: [inaudible]did i get the job? leo parente: hold on. it's turning into anitalian talk show. mike spinelli: ok. sorry, go ahead. male voice: something's wrong? leo parente: so-- jf musial: it's light rain. leo parente: --jf is givinga meteorological report.

jf musial: all right. well, it's just reportinglight rain 30 miles west of the track. leo parente: yeah, and if youdidn't notice, the warm up was almost full wet. and then it dried. but one of the traditionsat le mans, like nurburgring, is-- jf musial: the parade waswashed out yesterday.

leo parente: was it really? alex roy: i've got a question. jf musial: what? what's up? alex roy: what happened to thepeugeot cars from last year? you see prior year cars fromaudi running year after year successfully. the 908s, it's agreat race car. no one bought that?

no one picked that up? leo parente: so here's whati think i was told. beretsky mentioned thatinternally the board of directors made a decisionto kill the program. but they didn't crushthe cars. and they made a concerted effortto go find a team to run them as a private team. oreca, before they moved totoyota, ran the private-- jf musial: peugeot.

leo parente: --peugeot-- "per-joh" at sebring and won. they were offering the cars forfree, and operating them for free for the first year. but after that, you'd haveto fund its operation. and that was somewhere northof $10 million to operate. jf musial: and thesewere the new cars-- leo parente: thesewere new cars. jf musial: --cars they hadbuilt for this year.

new arrow packageand everything. cars we've never seen before. leo parente: so no one ineurope or america-- and i heard that highcroftwas approached. no one had the ability, thecapacity, the financials, the sponsorship, to run the carbeyond that one year. and someone like highcroft, whohad his hands in a number of things, didn't want to makethat one-year commitment and slow down the developmentof things like delta.

so at the end of the day,what i don't know is, where are the cars? are they crushed? are they sitting? what's happening with them? but they tried to get them torun without factory support. no one had the money. alex roy: [laughs] leo parente: should theyhave called you?

alex roy: no. leo parente: just so you know,the cars are off the grid. we're about five and a halfminutes away from the start of the 80th running of le mans. leo parente: so mcnishis starting p3? is allan mcnish p3? yes. male voice: yes. leo parente: i'm sorry.

yes, he's p4. male voice: did you see somebodycommented if toyota had leo, they'd winle mans easily. leo parente: toyota hadleo, and then no more. so here comes the classicquestion. i love allan mcnish. but has allan mcnish learned alesson, and what's he going to do on the green flag ashe's starting p4? jf musial: you know what?

he's just going tobe allan mcnish. jf musial: i don't think there'sanything to be said about last year. it's a racing incident. he made a mistake. he's admitted to that. that's not going tochange his style. alex roy: and he's a good guy. so let's not jinx him.

leo parente: no, i'mnot jinxing him. jf musial: we're notjinxing him. leo parente: i'm just wonderingwhether they want to have a 1-2-3 audi start, orthey want to just hold position and he'll-- jf musial: no, and he's saidthis in every interview, every discussion we've had. you have to race-- every turn, for every corner.

leo parente: so let's do alittle nuance here though. i'm not sure what the startingmiles per hour or kilometers per hour are when theyhit the green flag. but the e-tron quattro can't gountil 120 kilometers plus, so they'll probablybe above that. jf musial: oh, in turn one? yeah, absolutely. leo parente: so there'll be noadvantage for toyota that can use their hybrid power fromzero miles per hour.

mike spinelli: but that's true. because toyota is running thehybrid off of the rear axle, and it's not an all-wheel drivesituation, they can run it from zero miles an hour. leo parente: so let'sdo a quick recap-- mike spinelli: the electricmotor, i mean. leo parente: let's do a quickrecap and we'll explain the differences. because they reallyare different

approaches to this hybrid. toyota, v8 gas, itsown engine-- normally aspirated-- rear drive hybrid, supercapacitors-- did i say that already? mike spinelli: you did. leo parente: super capacitors. and because it's rear driver,the rules say you can use the hybrid power in the seven zonesright from any miles per

hour coming forward. the audis are v6, single turbodiesel, flywheel technology that was developed from porscheand transferred to their sister brand. all quattro four-wheel drive,because it's running hybrid off the front tires, and becausethe rules don't allow all-wheel drive quattros. there was some business meetingwith the rules makers, and it became a quattro above120 kilometers, which is what,

70-something miles an hour? mike spinelli: 74.5. jf musial: woah. mike spinelli: sorry-- jf musial: good math. leo parente: cool. mike spinelli: --i didn'tdo it right then. i actually knew thatconversion. leo parente: you really havean a/b comparison.

then when you get into thedetails, i think there's chassis differences, pull-rodrear suspension in the audi. i'm not sure we've got all fourpush-rods in the toyota. the arrow looks a littledifferent with the vertical nose versus what audi did. blah blah blah freakin' blah. it really is an a/b run. alex roy: it'd be kind of coolif one of the r18 audis took one or two over the e-trons.

leo parente: well that'swhat happened at spa. it rained and the two e-tronspulled ahead as the drying conditions picked up-- jf musial: but as we're goingto hear from tom kristensen and allan mcnish, the rainallows for the e-trons to charge their flywheelsmuch faster. alex roy: why? jf musial: because they liftoff the gas in more turns-- alex roy: oh, right.

of course. jf musial: --and itregenerates there. and a turn they normally wouldbe flat in, they'll lift. and that momentum will actually recharge their flywheel. leo parente: now there's anuance to what he's saying-- alex roy: does it returnthe victory? no. male voice: well, you guys,people are asking for final

predictions beforerace starts-- mike spinelli: yeah, we betterget that under way. leo parente: so whatdo you got? i got corvette and audi. jf musial: actually, i'm goingto go with audi and ferrari. leo parente: oooh. mike spinelli: i have to go withaudi, and then i'm going to stick with corvette. alex roy: audi--

mike spinelli: come on. alex roy: audi r18, corvette. mike spinelli: you're right. nuance, nuance. jf musial: so, all right. ultra? e-tron? mike spinelli: e-tron. leo parente: e-tron.

and i'm not going to ignorethe other two categories. we'll talk about it, but herecomes my magic question. will toyota get to the podium? jf musial: absolutely. i think so. mike spinelli: third. alex roy: third. leo parente: sorry, guys. audi sweep.

jf musial: you think so? mike spinelli: really? leo parente: oh, i thinkthey're going to-- jf musial: no, i think-- alex roy: engine pop? engine pop. leo parente: --they're going topound them into the ground. alex roy: but that'sa bad thing. it's bad for racing.

when i started watchingformula 1-- jf musial: yeah, but thatdoesn't change results. alex roy: yes, and they shouldrig it, and take the fall, so racing can improve [inaudible] leo parente: now having saidthat, i think this is going to be a mega battle. i think toyota is notgoing to go away. alex roy: well, which toyotacar is going to give them a real run for their money?

leo parente: let's see. davidson is a dog. i think davidson is theguy, car number eight. on the other hand, carnumber seven-- alex roy: on the other hand,it's got gwemy in it. leo parente: --hasverse. do we want to go tobreak right before we go to the race? leo parente: no, wewant to run the

scrutineering thing right now. jf musial: ok. jf musial: josh, wegood with that? leo parente: is that cool? jf musial: let's set it up, andthen when we come back the race will be starting. leo parente: so obviously therace is not just 24 hours. it starts a week in advance. the cars arrive.

the teams set up. they go through a very publicscrutineering, not in the privacy of the racing paddock. the fans get to see the carsin the center of town, and then the games begin. so we did a little video to kindof give you that feel. jf musial: earlierin the week. alex roy: oh my god,14 seconds. leo parente: are they goingright to start?

alex roy: oh god. leo parente: we may notwant to run that-- alex roy: don't run it. we have 10 seconds. leo parente: i think we'regoing to start right now. alex roy: oh my god,i'm so excited. all right. leo parente: yep, here we go. jf musial: pace car is in--

alex roy: [claps] jf musial: --the a1. here we go. and-- leo parente: wow. jf musial: --that's a gap. mike spinelli: woah. jf musial: that was nothinglike last year. they are gapped out atleast 2/10, 3/10.

leo parente: beaux barfield inindycar would not have let that start go. pretty undramatic. they're not as grouped upas they were last year. that was reminiscent-- leo parente: andthere's mcnish. jf musial: --of lastyear with mcnish. actually that was aposition, right? and mcnish has already passedone of the toyotas--

alex roy: it's over. jf musial: --headingon to the mulsanne. leo parente: by the way, thispicture, if you're looking at in-car from one of thep1s that toyota-- jf musial: it isa global feed. leo parente: --the new '14rules are asking for 90 centimeters higher seatingposition in cockpit to eliminate this view-- jf musial: the blind spot.

leo parente: --of lookingthrough the fenders. jf musial: so the tubs are goingto have to be heavily modified in the nextfew months. leo parente: there's going tobe a grandfather clause, but these cars are going to goaway, quite frankly. because the specs are alsogoing to say narrower. as they head down the mulsannetoward the chicane, you can see right now basicallyboth of them are pretty equal v-max.

well, let's see. they may have not had a chargeat that point yet. we're not going to really beable to tell much going on. as you can see, oneof the ultras is still warming up tires. leo parente: and that's right. unlike f1, there are notire warmers here. however, they all havethese tire boxes. have you seen themin the pits?

jf musial: yeah, so they can'tactually wrap the tires up. but these tires have been onthe car for at least 40 minutes without anyheat in them. so they gotta get someheat in them. nurburgring as well,you'll see it. instead of having tire-- leo parente: wraps. jf musial: --wraps aroundthem, they just put them in an oven.

that's how they getaround the rule. leo parente: a big hot box. also there's somenew paving here. and we'll show the mcnish video,because he defined exactly where it is. jf musial: patrick long goesthrough that in depth as well, about how the newpavement is-- leo parente: so the cars arequicker, but that's accounting for some of the improvedlap times too.

jf musial: yes, exactly. leo parente: they've taken outbumps, got more grip in some of the fast chicanetype corners. jf musial: but keep in mind, thetrack is not rubbered in as much as you wouldthink at this time. i think especiallywith the rain. leo parente: well, and it was aninteresting soundbite i was hearing before we started, wherethey were talking about new car through spa,through eau rouge.

the r18 used to be a brave-- jf musial: a little lift. leo parente: --little lift,maybe brave flat. now it's just flat. the technology has madeit that much faster. the two toyotas are runningin tandem-- jf musial: oh, it'sa new camera! look at that. they've actually taken fromnascar standards and put a

camera in the curbing-- leo parente: by the way-- jf musial: --and it's pointedat the sky so you can see them or all-- mike spinelli: it's readingin pit lane, by the way. leo parente: --can you callup timing and scoring? jf musial: oh, yes. i will do that right now. male voice: hey spinelliit's raining--

mike spinelli: it's rainingin pit lane right now. so as usually happens, thedark clouds of sarth are coming over. leo parente: and if we stay trueto plan, somewhere about 30, 40 minutes in, we're goingto get a report from our guys in the field-- jf musial: on the ground. leo parente: --at the track. and by the way, leo, do you wantto really quickly explain

the leader light rules? mike spinelli: because as onecomment pointed out, a lot of people may not know that thereare lights on the cars that-- mike spinelli: --denotetheir position. leo parente: and actually we'regoing to give props to the american le mans series,because they developed this and it finally got adoptedacross europe and the other le mans racing. on the side of every car arethree lights that can glow to

determine the positionin their class. so on the side of the p1 cars,you'll have three red lights. p1 will have one light lit,two and three accordingly. p2 will have blue lights--one, two, and three accordingly. green for the gt pro, orangelight for the gt am. so while all of these classesare mixing it up, if you watch for those lights on the side ofthe car, and they usually are in front of the rear tirepretty much where the--

jf musial: we got rain almoston now, drizzles of rain. leo parente: so you can watchfor your leaders, and we maybe would see it when youcatch these audis going by in the lead. you should be able to see one,two, and three lights. and that'll tell youyour class leaders by color, by lights. jf musial: so we're alreadyin lap two. can't really tell in terms oflap times between the toyotas

and audis at this point. i don't want to sayanything until-- leo parente: is thatthe official? i don't want to say anythinguntil they get a few laps into the tires to actually comparehow they're doing. leo parente: ok, i gottago with the pop quiz. if you're watching, there's thepescarolo 3 that is coming out of pit lane, andthey changed the intermediate tires.

but there is a dirty littlesecret between the pescarolo and the deltawing. and josh can you pull upthat picture of the-- male voice: of the? leo parente: so actually,let's see. i would ruin the joke. so there's a tie-in from a carlast year that ran le mans-- tried to run le mans-- there's a tie-in betweenthat car and the

delta and the pescarolo. can anyone tell me what thekevin bacon connection is? jf musial: scott tucker? [all laugh] leo parente: maybe,i don't think so. male voice: which one? the old picture, the blackand white one? leo parente: no, i'm sorry. i'd be ruining the joke.

male voice: oh. leo parente: the delta and thepescarolo 3 have something in common with a car thatran last year. does anyone-- mike spinelli: it's the-- leo parente: matter of fact-- mike spinelli: --it's theaston martin tub. leo parente: --and i was goingto say make it a chat question, but there you go.

mike spinelli: ohhhh. leo parente: so canyou show me-- mike spinelli: sorry. leo parente: --a picture of thatblue-- the gulf-colored aston martin-- jf musial: oh,-- leo parente: --opencockpit car. jf musial: --missingsome of the action. alex roy: what?

the oak racing? jf musial: look at that! ferrari versus corvette onthe back humulsun and-- alex roy: yeah, good! jf musial: --there we go. out broke him. leo parente: i have to call upmy timing and scoring, because i can't see that. it looks like thatwas for p2 maybe,

because there's a ferrari-- leo parente: --still in front. jf musial: that was for p2. male voice: that car, it's ashot from behind the car? looking into the sunset? leo parente: no, no, no, no. male voice: [inaudible] alex roy: is jan magnussonrelated to the magnus magnusson?

mike spinelli: thestrongest man-- leo parente: oh, i'm sorry. mike spinelli: --in the world? i think he is. leo parente: you knowthe word file? the word file has all the linksto all the car pictures. male voice: ohhh. yeah, i was busy. male voice: well, we'll get tothose a little bit later.

we'll get our act togetheron that. so here's what we understandin the gt side. the gt rules allowed for widercars to, frankly, catch up with the handlingof the ferrari. and 2 inch wider for thingslike the corvette. 2 inch wider in the frontfor the porsche. a higher wing placement forthe corvette to give it a little more balancein down force. and engine improvements--

power, efficiency, torque. but brakes have always been astrong suit for the corvette. so the brake zone betweencorvette and ferrari should be very interesting. we just saw a corvette kindof power its way through-- wrong word-- power its way throughunder brake power in one of the chicanes. jf musial: i should have takenmy bets on the vantage, on the

aston martin because they'rerunning close to 2 seconds a lap faster-- mike spinelli: leo, i justwant to point out-- jf musial: --per lap. leo parente: welcometo dunlop tires. jf musial: i know, the dunlopsare doing very well right now for the vantage v8. mike spinelli: leo, you askedthat question about the deltawing and what theconnection was.

and before i answered, iactually should have looked at the chat line becausec costelli got it-- leo parente: good. mike spinelli: --dr.gofast got it. mike spinelli: andlet me see-- alex roy: and deez nuts. mike spinelli: anddeez nuts got it. no, that was it. that was good.

just two. but very, very-- leo parente: you wonderwhy that was? was it great salesmanshipfrom prodrive? mike spinelli: but it's alsocrash worthiness too. leo parente: oh, so itwas already tested? mike spinelli: it wasalready tested. leo parente: so we don't haveto go through that whole-- mike spinelli: don't have to gothrough the testing again.

leo parente: there you go. jf musial: it's coming downnow in the dunlop curves. leo parente: the rain? if you're watching the feed,here comes the japanese dome, which is this otherpescarolo run car. and you'll see the similar paintjobs-- white with that neon green and a littlebit of blue. male voice: yeah. jf musial: deltawing hasdropped down to 30th.

leo parente: what type oflaps are they doing? jf musial: deltawingis at a 3:56. jf musial: the aston martinjust ran a 4:01, which was pretty slow compared to-- the corvette is a 3:59. alex roy: that was the forzamotorsport [inaudible] jf musial: and the ferrariis a 4:02 right now. so they're all in the same-- mike spinelli: that's the forzamotorsport [inaudible]

jf musial: --range now. up in p1 we've got-- alex roy: yeah, [inaudible] mike spinelli: we're havinga side discussion. jf musial: --the e-tron quattrois currently lapping at 3:32, while the ultra is at3:30, and the number eight toyota is at 3:32.9. about half a second slowerthan the e-tron. so they're running comparablelap times at this point.

leo parente: i think there's alittle bit of settling in, and i think there's maybe being-- back in the pits forthe pescarolo 3. jf musial: and they'regoing into garage. leo parente: already? jf musial: yep. leo parente: just paint it blueand orange, and end it. please. alex roy: so rude.

leo parente: are they really? yeah, they're upon their jacks. jf musial: oh man,that's horrible. leo parente: and by the way,they had a crash in practice, and their third driver-- leo parente: i'm not sure. i need to ask the chat group. the third driver has bailed. they're trying to run this carwith only two drivers.

jf musial: i thought that-- leo parente: and i don't knowwhether he was injured or just had had enough. leo parente: yeah, seriously,they don't-- jf musial: how isthat possible? because i thought the limitper sit is four. leo parente: there's a rulein how long you can drive. jf musial: i think it'sa little under 4 hours, maybe 3.5?

alex roy: cowards. leo parente: so they'lljust be turning-- don't do that again. these guys are not cowards. oh, and by the way there'sonly one woman racing. jf musial: who? leo parente: ihara. in the gulf lmp2 car, lola. interesting.

leo parente: yeah, we talkedto her at sebring. jf musial: oh yeah. leo parente: yeah, ihara. cool. alex roy: my new number onedriver of the race. leo parente: so i think they'rejust going to have to make more changes. leo parente: yes, alex,you're new driver is? alex roy: ihara.

leo parente: who? leo parente: ihara? alex roy: yes. alex roy: i'm all for-- leo parente: well, and you knowi'm loving it because she came from f3 experience andjumped up to these cars. and this is going to sound likea plug, but thanks to simraceway i drove in f3. jf musial: cool.

leo parente: so if shecan make that jump-- alex roy: so could you-- leo parente: i'm not saying-- mike spinelli: [laughs] leo parente: no, no, no. i'm not saying i am, but i'msaying that that experience-- if that's good enough to getinto a p2 car, ok, i get it. jf musial: we shouldmaybe pull up the scrutineering video.

we failed to do that beforethe race start-- leo parente: because someonewas talking too much? leo parente (offscreen):le mans is not just a 24 hour race. it is a place, a city infrance and a diocese, a district, of the romancatholic church. but on the sunday and mondaybefore the race, the only bible that matters is the acorule book, because it is time for scrutineering--

the technical inspection ofall 55 race cars and, this year, the uncategorized box 56entry, the new tech deltawing. unlike other races-- america le mans or f1-- le mans technical inspectionhappens away from the racetrack, inside thecity of le mans. and for the first time since thefirst le mans 24, in 1923, a change of venue from placedes jacobins to place de la republique.

but the mass of eagerspectators, however, remains unchanged. le mans scrutineering is thefirst chance for the fans to see the cars up close, toengage their heroes-- the teams, the crews, theengineers, and the racers. the rollout of cars continuesthe tradition of building excitement and anticipationfor this greatest of sports car races. back in pit lane and in theteam garages, car prep,

logistics organization, and pitstop practice continues. all getting ready fora week of action-- practice, qualifying, final male speaker: final car prepwarm-up, and at long last, the 24 hours of le mans, theapplication of the best sports car racing technology in theworld, and the world's most famous automobile road racingtest of human endurance. and with hard work, good faith,and probably a heavenly hand, it will all end with asuccessful checkered flag on

sunday 3:00 pm le mans time. [theme music] leo parente: i don't think i'velooked at the camera yet. i've been watching you guys. leo parente: i don't think i'velooked at the camera yet, talking to you guys. it that ok? jf musial: that's fine,that's fine. well, as that video justshowed, it's an event.

this is an event. it's more than the race. i have the lucky opportunityto go to le mans last year, and like nevergreen fansfrom around the world. the fan is a part of theaction, the drivers are superstars. lindsey lohan, who? leo parente: so did youfeel that it was a nationalistic pride?

was it the driversare the star? do they love the brands? jf musial: no, the driverswere stars, and i think especially on the audifront with the danes. oh my god. the danes and the britstake over le mans. they take over the city, andthe parade is one of the craziest experiencesi've ever been to. leo parente: what madeit that way?

jf musial: it just freereign, everyone just having a good time. and there was one shotlike i got -- i wish we could it upeventually-- but i had one shot of a kid just screamingat tom kristenson just to touch him. it's a kid, 14 years old,in love with a driver. a driver that you could walkdown the street in new york and no one wouldknow who he is.

it's a pretty incredibleexperience. leo parente: alex, you'reglobal guy. alex roy: oh, yeah. leo parente: and we're here onthe internet, and i've got my little rant about all theseinternet platitudes, but is le mans the greatest roadrace on the planet? alex roy: well, it's funny youshould ask, because i've never been there. i'm dying to go.

i'm an endurance racing guy. i was i never watched formula1 until 10 years ago. but my dad watched le mans. it was all the racinghe watched. and there's no doubt in my mindthat if i had to do pick a race that i'd want todo, it'd be le mans. leo parente: why? alex roy: i don't want to quotea steve mcqueen movie-- alex roy: but formula 1 feels tome like a technology show,

whereas you could be the bestdriver ever, but not win le mans because of weather. 70 minutes versus 24,which is no-- leo parente: not to pick ondavid colchard when we met him at new jersey, he made thecomment that f1 is an ongoing presentation of racing andtechnology, where le mans is just a one-time event. and he has raced at le mans. he won at le mans, ithink, with jaguar.

i probably mispronouncedthat, too. jf musial: yes, he did. it was [inaudible] leo parente: so he has respectfor it, but he was definitely carrying the story that f1,therefore, is more dynamic because it's now 20 events. how does that playto you guys? alex roy: ok, youknow something? my answer was really not thoughtout because it's early

and i'm tired. leo parente: you'realready tired? jf musial: there was a biggt battle right now. the ferraris and corvettesare really going at it. alex roy: to be clear, i wouldsay le mans to me is more accessible and closer to whatwe, the average person, might understand as racing-- puttingyour foot down in a street full of traffic with a lotof different cars. so le mans feels like real-worlddriving taken to

its final iteration ofprofessionalism, which is what we all dream about when weget in the car everyday. leo parente: and even withthe prototypes, are you comfortable that even the rulesare trying to connect new technology to what we'resupposed to be eventually driving and running aroundwith on the road? alex roy: [inaudible] spinelli? i say the closer the cars are tostreet technology, at least

accessible in the market-- i mean, tdi. now, how many years did it fortdi to get that on the street? nothing in formula 1, even ifit gets to the street, feels like it came from formula 1. mike spinelli: that'sthe thing. le mans technology needs to bethe highest, actually leading automotive productiontechnology. that's the whole point.

that really should bethe whole point. and as far as accessibility,yeah, that's why proam is such a good class. i know that there's been a lotof controversy about having less skilled drivers, or atleast, less experienced drivers, but that's the thing. there's a much more directconnection to the stuff that you do during the day. [interposing voices]

alex roy: the gt battleis awesome, but why is it awesome? not just because it's racing. it's because it's cars wecan buy are fighting. mike spinelli: no, we can'tbuy an rsr 4 458 alex roy: you can buy a 458, youcan buy a porsche 911, you can buy a corvette. look at these guys. leo parente: and the gt specshave evolved from

gt one to be more-- mike spinelli: likeproduction. leo parente: what's surprisinghere is, it looks like we're having a little test ofeverything right now this early in the race. jf musial: they're all[inaudible] within once second of each other. leo parente: i think we'veferraris one, two, three. jf musial: no, it's one,two [inaudible]

leo parente: who's in the car? was that mcnish? that's number two. that's the car. who's in the car? jf musial: right now,number two who's in? it is no, duval. leo parente: duvall. jf musial: oh, sorry, sorry.

yep, mcnish. that was mcnish. leo parente: so here'sthe other part. mike spinelli: by the way, justto explain, because we were just reacting to somethingon the screen. mcnish just saved-- jf musial: mcnish justwent off into the wet grass and saved it. i think it was in theporsche curves.

leo parente: i thoughtit was porsche, too alex roy: let me say thisagain, all my life, i've wanted to see a porsche, acorvette, and a ferrari fight, and here it is. leo parente: and to thatpoint, i was privy to a conversation where the porschepeople were very much downplaying theirchances here. so cut to the first, what arewe, 23 minutes into it? leo parente: and we've got theporsches right on the tail of

the corvette. so qualifying may havebeen one thing. race pace is another. you've got the felbermayrporsche there. you've got the lizardsporsche there. jf musial: actually, it's the amlizard porsche in front of the pro lizards porsche. and the amateur last year's spechas been quicker than the new car, and i don't knowwhether it's the narrower

arrow in the front. jf musial: that's true. that's very true. the old car is-- that's very interesting. leo parente: i would arguethat they may be an arrow advantage being narrower, orthey've just got it dialed in. jf musial: maybe. more knowledge on the track.

leo parente: yeah,a little bit. but bottom line is the porscheis not going away. where's the aston martin? i'm sorry, where's the astonmartin in the-- and i've got to get timing or scoringgoing, too. jf musial: give me one second. leo parente: sorry, youwere going to say? mike spinelli: noi just want to-- chat comment, what are theaverage speeds down mulsanne

for each class, so you know? i know the lmp1's are doing 208average with the chicanes. leo parente: i'm going to givekilometers, i'm sorry, because i just read this somewhere. the toyotas were at a 330. the audis were high290s, maybe two to five kilometers slower. the corvette and the ferrariswere doing 292, and i better start looking that up, becausei saw that somewhere.

mike spinelli: so 330 islike 205 miles an hour. leo parente: oh, they've gotto be quicker than that. mike spinelli: i'm thinking,between 205 and 208, and don't forget, this is the average withthe chicanes included. leo parente: that's true. that's true. mike spinelli: so it's going tobe a little bit less than the top speed. leo parente: let mego do my homework.

jf musial: pulitzer,interesting. leo parente: so this isthe p1 hpd honda. jf musial: in the pits. leo parente: looks like we'redoing tire change. jf musial: tire change. leo parente: andit looks sunny. it looks like the weatheris really moving around. jf musial: yeah, thesun has come out. that was the ultra--

no, that's the hybrid. that's e-tron [inaudible] leo parente: numberone, car one. we're looking at in-car view. jf musial: in-car footage rightnow on the mulsanne. yeah, it's sunny. it's bright out. looks good. looks really good.

leo parente: mikey-- jf musial: you were asking--sorry, go ahead. leo parente: no, i was saying,mikey, you're quicker on the computer than i am lookingfor trap speeds. mike spinelli: well, i'mnot talking speeds-- leo parente: vmaps mike spinelli: i'm not talkingabout speeds in the entire course, because-- leo parente: trap speedmeans top speed.

leo parente: no,no, no, i know. trap speed for mulsanne-- first of all, wait, let'sjust qualify before we look these up. the first question is, trapspeed and average down the mulsanne, and then average speedon the entire course. leo parente: we should have anaverage speed on the timing and scoring for a lap. mike spinelli: so averagespeed is about--

mike spinelli: 205miles an hour. jf musial: that's kilometers. mike spinelli: sorry, 205kilometers, 230 tops, trap speed for the course. jf musial: there we go. so aston martin-- mike spinelli: theseare kilometers. jf musial: astin is leadinggt right now. the number 97 aston martinis leading the corvette.

alex roy: wow. leo parente: so the ferrarisare battling for two, three, four? three, four, five? jf musial: three, four, five. so gt pro right now is thenumber 97 aston martin. the 74c601 corvetteis in second. then we've got the 458 italiaaf corse, and then three ferraris in a row, thenback to corvette and

then the two porches. leo parente: so literally,you've got the two factory teams running one, two. the aston's a factoryeffort, the corvette's a factory effort. the ferraris are really mikalatodesign cars, run by corse cliente, farmed out toprivate teams that run the cars in a support side. and the porsches run thatprogram the same way, lizards

and felbermayr. it's not that the factory peopleare sitting at home drinking whatever theydrink to watch. they're all involved, but it'snot a pure factory effort like a corvette, gm, chevyracing thing. that being said, ferrari'swon this race a number of times in gt. jf musial: i'm wondering if weshould go to a sound bite. leo parente: i'd like to.

i think we should. are you hunting? jf musial: i'm hunting forsomething that may be we were talking about the trackconditions changing, how there was new pavementthat was laid down. do we want to go to-- leo parente: i like that one. the mcnish one? jf musial: we've got mcnish andlong both talking about

the track conditions. leo parente: your call. your choice. jf musial: yeah, let's firstgo to the mcnish one, which i'm trying to pull up. leo parente: 39. jf musial: yep, 39. josh. leo parente: then it willbe 23, i think, right?

jf musial: yes, correct. josh: 39 and 23, coming up. jf musial: so this is mcnishon the changes to the track for 2012. allan mcnish: yeah, thecircuit's different, that's the first thing. that's my grandfather. and with this year, the maindifference really is from tertre rouge to mulsannethey've resurfaced it.

so all the way along themulsanne it's much smoother, whereas before you had probably15, 20 years of the trucks driving up and down it. so you had little tram lines. wasn't so much of a problemin the day, but if it was raining, for example, you getwater sitting in them and the car would hydroplaneand dance around. now that's perfectly smooth. and in the chicanes, as well,on the straight it was quite

bumpy, especially closeto the curves. and so you would have a carkicking and dancing around and change your grip all theway through the corner. now that's uniform, and soit's quite a bit quicker. but you have to keep that inmind as a general principle. leo parente: so let's ask thegroup, ok, because i'm still unclear what that chad guy wasasking, if he's asking for what's the top speed thesecars are hitting. if he's asking for somethingelse, then i'm not sure what

he's asking. mike spinelli: well, no. so average speed for the courseis obviously on the live time, so wecan check that. top speeds during test days-- leo parente: yeah, go ahead. mike spinelli: well, arein the 330, range, which is 205, 207. leo parente: and is he askingwhat they're doing

now, during the race? leo parente: i would arguethey're not going to be significantly different,because what is the p1? as this dries out, if they'redoing laps in the 320 something, and they qualified at325, 323 was the fastest, i would argue that v-max is notgoing to change that much. there may be some changes to setup arrow a little bit to balance it, but i would arguewe're still going to be in that ballpark and those numbersare still going to be

applicable. that was my experience watchingthe corvettes up close from test to racing. v-max didn't change a lot. jf musial: that's pretty-- sorry, i have nothing to say. i completely-- leo parente: you had me. you had me on the edge.

you had me ready. so, nothing-- wait a minute-- jf musial: as we cut to thesevideos, we're discussing what's next. jf musial: wait a minute. you're an engineer. you up for the departmentof streak. department of streak.

leo parente: it's nota department. jf musial: i don't thinkthat exists. leo parente: isn't thatsomething the republicans want to get rid of? jf musial: no, i wasa bridge inspector. i was not departmentof streak. leo parente: so this pavementthing means nothing to you either? jf musial: well, no, when youlay new pavement, i don't know

when they laid the new pavement,but you always have the tendency for the oils to--wow, first time seeing the leo parente: no no, go ahead,go ahead, go ahead. jf musial: when a new track islaid, you always have the problem with the initialoil coming out of the track surface. i'm sure the aco was smart andlaid down this pavement months ago, so that by the time we gotto this race, the oils had come up and therewas no issues.

formula 1, for example, inkorea, when they laid the track surface days beforethe race, we had big problems with that. i think that that's notnecessarily a problem here anymore, but it does changethe characteristics of the track, especially inthe brake zones. you get rid of the bumps, adriver has to relearn that turn, because maybe they cantake the turn faster, maybe they have to take itdifferently, maybe there's a

different line. monoco, perfect example rightbefore the hairpin out of casino square. you see the cars actually gooff line to avoid a bump. even though the line may lookslower, it's actually faster, because that bump unsettlesthe car. so the drivers are learninga new track. though on paper it looks thesame, there are sections that are completely different.

leo parente: if i recall whatmcnish was touching on, that was the big change, thesmoothness of the track. the elimination of bumps allowsthe car to hook up. aerodynamically a stableplatform makes better grip. there you go. mike, what are our chatpeople talking about? mike spinelli: ok, let's see. so it's interesting. the nerdiest among us areconsidering the differences in

average speed between p1 and p2is only 10 kilometers per hour right now. so that's interesting. also, if the speed of the gteam aston, right, considering their average speed, is itpossible for the number 99 car to get in front ofthe ferraris? leo parente: who's the 99 car? mike spinelli: well, we're goingto start looking at the speeds, though.

but this is interesting-- leo parente: no, i'm serious,who's the 99 car? mike spinelli: 99 aston. leo parente: the amateur car? alex roy: ooh, ooh. mike spinelli: alex is reactingto things on the television. jf musial: hey, we've thatgot patrick and james-- leo parente: and that was thepoint i was trying to make.

and watching the race, we'regoing to see it either play out or not, and that is, thetop speeds of these cars classes is not that different. and you've got a lowdrag aston martin running some times. it's going to mix itup with p2 cars. you've got p2 cars thatcan mix it up with the gas p1 cars. the other drivers, obviously,corner, exit, how fast you

come out of a corner determineshow fast you go top speed down the straight away. but they're not slugs. mike spinelli: well exactly. so look at that. so let's see, the aston martinam, number 99 aston martin racing, was it somethinglike 204, 205? where was that? leo parente: kilometers?

wait a minute. leo parente: average laps? damn, i just had it. ok, no, 205.3, right,where magnusson is at 203.4 right now. and let's see, well, gavin isdoing 205 in the other zr1. leo parente: by the way,you're so american. you do lap times notby time, by speeds. mike spinelli: well, no,because we're talking

specifically about speeds. leo parente: but thoseare not top speeds. leo parente: no, no, no, weretalking about average speeds. mike spinelli: no, butif the average-- jf musial: so toyota'spitting. both toyotas have just pitted. interesting at the same time. leo parente: i like the factyou just stand on the car to clean it.

and with those new mandatedholes above the tires to vent air to create blow overs,checking tire temperatures just got a lot easier. just stick the wandinto the hole. and by the way, how sexualwas that comment? jf musial: and it'sjustin bell. ok, not paying attention now. alex roy: let me say again,those toyotas really are coll. jf musial: it's cool the factthat they [inaudible]

the audis are in, too,or one of the audis. leo parente: so i literallymissed that. but you commenters need to tellus which pitted first, and how are the cycles working? are the-- alex roy: toyota pitted first. leo parente: toyotapitted first. jf musial: so one of the ultrasis in, putting fuel in. leo parente: has ane-tron been in?

jf musial: and, actually,they're going in the garage. what number is that? the number four. leo parente: josh, how cani get the audio to that? josh: [inaudible] we can give you a pairof headphones. jf musial: give you headphones[interposing voices] radio le mans. oh, look at the blue.

they've got the blueglow on it now. that's interesting. leo parente: with the ledheadlights on the audi? that's how they identifythe cars. you'll see them glowdifferent colors. toyota's running himselfthrough the gt field. leo parente: so yes, it'squicker, but look at it, it's not blowing by the porsche. it's not blowing bythe corvette.

jf musial: josh. josh: what? leo parente: are you listeningto radio le mans? jf musial: yeah, i'm listeningto radio le mans. we can get you-- leo parente: well,that's not fair. mike spinelli: i know, ihave it over here, too. you should-- mike spinelli: leo'sgot to have it.

jf musial: here you go. it's all yours. leo parente: i'll getmy own in a minute. by the way, as a tease, i thinkwe have some interviews with john hindhaughhey, thank you. jf musial: hindhaugh is goingto join us after his first stint on radio le mans. leo parente: hey, shouldwe be checking your boys from the field?

jf musial: that's a good idea. we do have peopleon the ground. mike spinelli: uh, oh. engine cover coming off. leo parente: oh, geez, bothpescarolo are in, they're both running judds, and they bothhave engine covers missing. jf musial: i want to know whyaudi's in the garage. leo parente: well, now thati've got an earpiece. jf musial: [inaudible]

leo parente: it wouldn'trefire. so you have to obviously, youturn off the motors when you do the fueling, per the rules. it wouldn't start up. mike spinelli: sorry by the way,it's not in the garage, it's in the gare-age. jf musial: ga-rage. leo parente: and it's nota controversy, it's a contrivisy.

there's a contrivisyabout when the car went into the gare-age. jf musial: i love those leds. that's so cool. jf musial: and we've gotan e-tron coming in. i think it's number one. no, that's lauderer. leo parente: so what jf istalking about, in the audis if you look at the led headlights,the different

color lights, this one isred, that identifies. so forget the windshieldbanners being yellow or red or green-- jf musial: now, lights. leo parente: led lights. ahh, awesome. alex roy: nasty cool. jf musial: i also lovethe aluminum-- al-u-minium bottles they snapin for the drivers.

for the water. it's no longer watercoolers, it's literally a snap-in bottle. leo parente: and alex, to yourpoint, the differences between the toyota and the audiaerodynamily, except for those little splitters on each fender,look at the difference of the shape of thefront fender. it's more vertical on thetoyota to move the air around the car.

the-- jf musial: awesome. how cool is that? so you missed it there, butrockenfeller got out. rockenfeller got themotor restarted. they're back out. leo parente: pardon? josh: well, your audio is comingthrough the headphones to your live.

leo parente: oh, wonderful. josh: well, you can useit on the other ear. leo parente: howabout this one? and by the way, if i just watchthat, correct me, guys, if i'm wrong, the last ones tostop, the ones who ran the longest on the track werethe e-tron quattros? mike spinelli: also, i justwant to point out that our stream is delayed, so we can'treally comment on things as they happen.

leo parente: oh, my god, do youwant to talk about that? mike spinelli: we did talk aboutthat, but i just noticed that you've been-- mike spinelli: i just wantto make sure that-- because you mentioned the ledswhile they're on the screen, and then five secondslater or more-- josh: it's about a7 second delay. mike spinelli: it seemsa little bit longer. leo parente: in my defense, thegood news is the leds are

still on the car. mike spinelli: thank you, leo. yes, exactly. you're absolutely right. leo parente: but no,that's why we-- jf musial: so the battle ontrack is nothing like the battle between mike andleo at this point. this should get interesting. leo parente: hey, waittil alex kicks in.

jf musial: i'll step back. alex roy: in a rare feat,i'm staying quiet. leo parente: you've gottwo computers going. alex roy: no, this is an ipad. mike spinelli: yes, i'vegot the same thing. so i've got my nook,my kindle nook. alex roy: i'm watching le manstv, and i'm watching the chat. leo parente: so my computer'sfailed, my little netbook, and--

jf musial: it's all good. don't worry about it. leo parente: andi'm winging it. have we asked the chat roomfor their predictions? n ask them. leo parente: geez, did i justthe audi go of again? jf musial: so, spinelli, thequestion in the chat is, why don't you have a handsomepair of glasses like everyone else on set?

leo parente: oh, that's true. mike spinelli: whydon't i have a handsome pair of glasses? i have a handsome pairof contact lenses. they're very handsome. jf musial: you're theonly one that-- mike spinelli: i have thehottest contact lenses in the entire room. jf musial: hey, it'swayne's world.

we're being comparedto wayne's world. alex roy: really. mike spinelli: ohthat's funny. because of the hair? i get it. alex roy: the chat guys arereminding us that we failed to comment on the fact that oneof the toyotas drove out of the pit with the fuelline still engaged. leo parente: well, it was almostfuel engaged, and the

fuel guy almost gothis toes run over. that's because when theywere in f1, they didn't have fuel stops. they left before thatwas a rule. alex roy: ok, so mike finleyspredicts the e-tron will blow everything else away. he agrees with leo. jf musial: ok, we've got thenumber three ultra in the pit. leo parente: how manylaps are we in?

how many laps arewe into this? jf musial: 10. leo parente: is the timing andscoring showing the number of stops they're making? jf musial: yes, it is. the only people that are noton the lmp pit stop is the pescarolo judd and the hdp hondahave yet to pit in lmp 1 the morgan judd is leading p2. mike spinelli: shout out formorgan judd, my good friend,

charles morgan. jf musial: and that'sa close call. alex roy: ouch. jf musial: the ultra of mcnishalmost running into a p2 car. alex roy: i have to say thatthe audi light treatment-- jf musial: it's amazing. alex roy: in another example oftranslation of race cars to road cars, audi has been reallyaggressive for years putting leds on almost theentire range of cars.

jf musial: well, andthey look great. they're fantastic. alex roy: and it's nice to seesomething stylish done to a race car other than the sameold boring liveries and blahblahblah. it's a really sexy thingthey've done with the-- mike spinelli: sexy time. alex roy: --headlights. it's cool.

mike spinelli: sorry, that wasa terrible, terrible-- alex roy: that was terrible. mike spinelli: i'm notgood at that one. jf musial: morgan judd. alex roy: i can't believethey're related to [inaudible] mike spinelli: aston martin,porsche, porsche, porsche, ferrari, ferrari, porsche. leo parente: can we find allanmcnish is number 41? and we're good going backand forth from video?

there's no tech problem? jf musial: everybodyelse is asking what stream we're watching. it's speed hd. american speed hd, that's it. leo parente: 'cause we'rein america right now. jf musial: given that we arein america, i thought that would be obvious, butnot for everyone. leo parente: yeah, but i thinkit's the world feed.

jf musial: it is the worldfeed mixed with-- jf musial: oh, we're [inaudible]on eurosport and-- any track action isthe global feed. anything that cuts to acommentor, or like an interview, that's aspeed broadcast. leo parente: so,i think, yeah. pit cameras could be different,but the on-track camera work is theglobal feed. mike spinelli: also, josh, maybeyou could crank the clip

levels for audio a little bitbecause a couple people mentioned that they'rea little bit lower than the feed volume. jf musial: i'm notexactly sure. i think you just made up a bunchof technical terms-- jf musial: what, volume? volume is a technical term? leo parente: means more sound. mike spinelli: no, just a littlebit more more louder.

more louder. more louder for the clips,you know what i'm saying? jf musial: oh, so, lessloud for the clips? mike spinelli: more loudfor the clips. in other words, the clips andthe live audio are not the same volume. alex roy: leo, we haveprediction answers from the chat room. mike spinelli: yay.

alex roy: and we have oneguy love toyota aston. i like that guy. mike spinelli: isay deltawing. leo parente: it'snot impossible. jf musial: so the deltawingwas running the best lap time of 3:49. it's now running 3:55. started in, what was it? 29th place?

jf musial: 29th position. it's down to 35th. leo parente: all right. jf musial: now thisdeltawing is-- there's been a lotof discussion-- jf musial: --across the board,and actually i've been able to ask everyone in the pit lanefor the most part. leo parente: areyou kidding me? alex roy: phone call[inaudible]

jf musial: that's a phone. mike spinelli: no,that's not a-- jf musial: oh, no way. hey, someone's callingthe phone. leo parente: we have a call. alex roy: we have a call. jf musial: we have a call. we have a caller. i'm gonna take it?

leo parente: please. jf musial: hello. hey guys. jf musial: hey, it's zerin. zerin is at le mans. zerin: yes, i am. mike spinelli: zerin fromspeedsportlife, by the way, in case anyone doesn'tknow zerin. leo parente: who is one of twopeople doing our reports for

drive from le mans. jf musial: zerin, how'sit going over there? and he has cut out. mike spinelli: he'llcall back. we are just awesome. at least we got a phone call. mike spinelli: we are likethe hybrid oreca from last year, right now. next year, we'll be like theaudis and the toyotas.

leo parente: i would elevate usa little above that, but, who's to say? [phone tone] jf musial: sorry about that. leo parente: the conceptof hanging up. mike spinelli: livefrom france. [phone rings] jf musial: zerin. zerin: hey, sorry, guys.

jf musial: it's ok. how are you? how's everything? zerin: oh, it's great. it's great. fantastic start to the race. sun came out. clouds kind of went away. and it's just been a fantasticstart to the race so far.

jf musial: so whichturn are you on? i know you're taking photosand doing some video action right now. zerin: i'm actually overlookingthe front straightaway, looking overfrom the audi hospitality suite, looking down over thefront straights of the pits, and the start/ finish line overhere by the rolex clock, so, great view. jf musial: how's thereaction so far?

we know that the audiskind of had a-- zerin: yeah, so far it'skind of as expected. when they went out to thefirst three timed laps, everybody went outon intermediates. the sun had been drying thetrack for about 40 minutes. everybody came in. they, pretty much the entirefield, i think, swapped immediately to slicks. and they went out.

everything else was kindof as expected. the one, two, and three carsare leading the toyotas. the rockenfeller and the numberfour car, it closed up to the toyotas a little bit, andthen we noticed the laps after he had closed up, thatactually, the toyota had put quite a bit of distanceon him. so i'm not sure exactly what'sgoing in that car. we were track-side shooting,so i don't have any of the telemetry or the timing exactlyon what's going on,

but looks like rockenfeller isjust a little bit behind the toyotas so far. leo parente: zerin,this is leo. we were debating in here thatthe difference in-- zerin: i apologize. i'm looking at thesector timing. it looks like lotterer does havea faster sector time for one, two, and three. and the number three car'sactually got the next

sector time, so. car one and three, i think,were the ones that we had picked at the beginning tobe the ones to look for. leo parente: so, zerin, iknow you're shooting. so not to turn this into atoo-ambitious homework assignment, but youcan see sector. we cannot. is a p2-- zerin: you guys there?

jf musial: yeah, we're here. leo parente: p2 times versusp1 and how are the sector times on delta? jf musial: how are the sectorstimes on delta, number one, and the sector times versusp1 and versus p2. zerin: i'm sorry, yousaid the deltawing? zerin: let me see if ican get that up here. hang on one second. you see at the track, you get alittle bit more information

than we do. we are not getting sectortimes over here. zerin: yep, they're justscrolling through the times right now. i'm trying to get back tothe deltawing here. give me one second. jf musial: you can get that forthe next update, not that big of a deal. so what we saw with rockenfellerwas that they

actually went into the garage. they couldn't restart the car. and that put them alap or so down. zerin: i'm sorry, you cut out. i couldn't hear you. jf musial: rockenfeller actuallywent into the garage for about a lap. they couldn't restart thecar after the pit stop. zerin: yeah, that's--

sorry, i'm just lookingfor this timing here. yeah, it looks like the gap forhim is about three minutes and 15 seconds behind,so he's definitely-- his lap time, his best lap is3:28.617, versus the number one car which is at3:26.302, so. there's a pretty big even[inaudible] that speed difference between that and allthe rest of the cars are in 3:26, 3:27. and the number fourcar's in a 3:28.

i'm trying to find-- they just scrolled past it--the toyota sector times. this week, toyota's actuallybeen, even in the practice sessions, toyota's been a littlebit faster in some of the sectors than the audis, andoverall, the audis have been faster, but in the drive,some of the sector two especially, the toyotas havebeen powering through it. they get held up in traffic inour own sector three, so if you get a clean one two, youusually run into traffic in

sector three, and that'swhere they were running into the problems. thank you, zerin. zerin: you guys good? jf musial: yeah, we'regood, zerin. go have fun. be safe, all right, man? zerin: all right, we'll checkin in another hour or so. jf musial: perfect.

zerin: no problem. jf musial: be good, bye. leo parente: homework assignmentfor the couch. we need to find the map thatdefines the sector times, the sector areas. there probably arethree sectors. jf musial: it's basically one,mulsanne is two, and then three, it's actually, ithink it's [inaudible] mike spinelli: mulsanne isa whole sector in itself.

leo parente: so there'sonly three sectors? jf musial: so that was zerinon the line from le mans. he is with speedsport life andhe is actually giving us a lot of the footage you're seeingon this live stream. i just took a look at thedeltawing laps, and they're actually running onpar with gt-e pro. running a 3:50. the deltawing is actually nineseconds faster than the corvettes at thispoint, which is

actually, they're improving. so that pit stop may have beensome kind of arrow change, or whatever it may be. and they are running in30th place right now. they got a few spots back. leo parente: the delta? jf musial: the delta's running30th, right behind the number 74 corvette. leo parente: do we wanna runanother frank katie segment as

he talks about either theobjectives of it or-- jf musial: i would love to hearwhat baretsky has to say about the deltawing. jf musial: baretskynumber two. baretsky had some interestingcomments about the deltawing. so no video in pit lane. and there you go, throughthe eyes of the corvette in-car camera. a guy using a stillcamera for video.

leo parente: what'syour point? jf musial: just the fact thatour credentials were-- we'll talk about that later. ok, so this is baretskytalking. this is our baretsky, the guy,the engine developer, the engineer for audi that hasdeveloped the diesel technology, talking aboutthe deltawing. interviewer: so, it may not be astory about engines, but one of the big stories thisweek is the deltawing.

what's your take on thedeltawing project? baretsky: yes. ben bolby did a fantastic job. he needed a lot of courageto do that. and i'm in touch with thisroad check since the very beginning, because we sattogether, i think it was, three years ago, on a rainy dayin sebring for a test, and he came and i nevermet him before. and he said, i'm ben bowlby,i would look to

talk about the project. i would like to haveyour opinion. and when our meeting is overhe says, you're one of the fathers because if you wouldn'thave encouraged me to do that, i wouldn'thave done it. and to make a car with halfthe weight, half the consumption, half theperformance of the engine, is a huge step in theright direction. we all have to learn about that,and it gives a complete

different image of acar when you look back in the old films. the sports cars here in le manshave an appearance which is very similar over the years,just the color changes, and the materials. one was aluminium, now it'scarbon fiber, but the overall shape is very similar to whatin the '70s, '80s, '90s. this car has a completedifferent appearance. this shows in the future.

whether the car will look likethat in three years time or not, but it makes people thinkabout what can be done to reduce consumption withoutlosing entertainment, without losing thrilling racing. and that i can just congratulatehim, ben, about this thing. i really can just congratulatehim. interviewer: have youhad a chance to watch the car on track?

baretsky: yes, yesterday, andalready in sebring, when we were there for testing. i was there for one day. it was fantastic to look atthat, and to really see all of the drivers, how they're alittle bit nervous about the car because it looks sodifferent to what they are used to, so they're a littlebeat scared about going around the corner. what will happen to the car?

will it ever go around thecorners, was one of the main questions in the beginning. yes, it does. you can see it. i'm sure if the car wouldundergo a really budget-founded developmentprocess like all the other cars, you would see them ontop of the lmp tours, i'm sure about it. with much less power,don't forget this is

300 horsepower engine. small 4-cylinder. so, and a very lowconsumption. this is the way to go. interviewer: fascinating. i must say, i always enjoytalking to you. the energy with which youapproach the engineering aspects of this race is muchmore than generous. baretsky: in this business, youhave to be crazy or really

passionate about it. the best [inaudible] if not, you go crazy. interviewer: so, you would sayyou're more passionate than crazy, or more crazythan passionate? baretsky: depends on theday and the subject. interviewer: but for now, fromwhat i'm seeing, it's passion. baretsky: yes, yes. interviewer: thankyou very much.

interviewer: it wasa pleasure again. jf musial: baretsky of audi,made famous by his quotes in truth in 24, about referencingthat the engine of a car doesn't necessarily needto make a lot of sound, much like sex. every time we're aroundhim at the racetrack, he always has fans. he has fans now. who would ever thought that theguy who develops engines

would have fans? he's usually the guyin the backoff. he's one of the coolestguy in the [inaudible] alex roy: he also makesit entertaining. so, what he was just sayingabout the deltawing is it's-- this whole sport is aboutpushing the envelope. and the deltawingis just that. and just becauseit looks weird. i know, we had our commentsabout the deltawing at the

very beginning of this. when we first saw it, and wefirst saw the simulation videos, like, that'snot happening. that is not happening. and it is. and for them to be running asfast as a 01 corvette, which has a long legacy of data andevolution, i think that's pretty impressive. leo parente: 300 horsepower,again, it's been said.

half the horsepower, sameperformance, half the fuel-- half the use of fuel. jf musial: awesomeaerodynamics. alex roy: actually, i have tointerrupt you guys, because when you say it has this amazinghistory of evolution, it has the burden of design inthe way that 911 is burdened with its rear-engine design. all these manufacturers-- the car needs to look like whatpeople want them to look

like, to sell iton the street. leo parente: see, and i thinkthe point that's going to come forward is, the look of that cardeltawing is not the end of the game. they're proving theconcept that less can be equal or more. and baretsky is one of thoseguys that's been pushing the idea of automobile racing topush the technology forward. he, i believe, has been verymuch involved, as all the

manufacturers are, in developingthe 2014 rules and in developing the future of thesport, so i'm sure he's the type of person who appliesa concept like deltawing, challenging the status quo. now, will they alllook that way? probably not. but-- alex roy: when we have time forthis, i want very much to be educated by leo andspinelli, not jl.

what's that piece in the road? jf musial: some debris,no big deal. mike spinelli: it'sa grand piano. a very small grand piano. jf musial: the aston corvettebattle at gt is very, very cool. half a second apart from eachother and still at this point. leo parente: i read a greatarticle on [inaudible] magazine.

leo. about what would happen ifcan-am came back and was unburdened by all kindsof restrictions. and they asked a series of racecar designers what they would want their carto look like. and i'd love to hear some ofthese guys say, if they lifted up all the restrictions,what would they do? one of the great ones was, arace car should look like a combination of caterpillar anda train, and should literally

be a segmented thing with like20 tiny wheels on both sides. and then it would justbasically weave to be on the track. mike spinelli: at 400miles an hour? alex roy: the deltawing isreally cool, in that it's the first thing that reallylooks different. like it looks-- it deserves to win. mike spinelli: well, the thingabout it is, even though it

does have a kind of-- it looks like a rocket ship. it does still look likea race car, and some formation, right? and the thing about what you'resaying is that if engineers were to start with ablank slate, if no one ever knew what a car looked like, andengineers had to solve the problem of how to go as fast asthey could possibly make a race car go around a racetrack,cars would look

totally different. it would look likea snake, right. or it'd look like somethingtotally different. and shouldn't there be a racing series just for engineers? mike spinelli: i say yes, too. i think our audience wouldprobably say yes, too. or not. maybe they want to see carslooking the way cars look.

jf musial: not to interrupt yourspiels, but we actually just got a comment request forfeed history [inaudible] alex roy: fake historyof le mans? jf musial: and vikings. alex roy: oh, ok. jf musial: and, josh, i seeyou've listened to the audience about not havingthe lower third. burn the screens ofall our audiences. thank you.

mike spinelli: oh,look at that. look what you did. jf musial: see, we'relistening. mike spinelli: see, wedo actually listen and fix stuff, yeah. by the way, josh,another thing. are people going toever be able to skype in and ask questions? jf musial: um, let's just takeit one thing at a time.

mike spinelli: all right, we'regoing to take it one thing at a time, josh says. jf musial: i'll be willing tolet people call, but we have rules, [inaudible] we have no control. we'd be worried about thethrow-up on the screen. mike spinelli: or they couldactually-- it could end up being like chat roulette,where everybody's just jerking off.

alex roy: raceroulette.com. you don't know which raceyou're gonna watch. you'll see something. now, just some of thecomments are-- let's see. baretsky, what a great dude. my logo's burningup my screen. and, what else dowe have here. what about the topgear deltawing?

what the hell's thisshow about? and the deltawing lookslike a cock and balls. mike spinelli: who arethe guys from the amiguously gay duo? i mean, let's face it. not that there's anythingwrong with that, but there is that-- that does look likethe car, somewhat. alex roy: yes, wait.

actually, somebody is-- mike spinelli: just puttingit out there. alex roy: sorry. mike spinelli: is that a hand? you gonna say something? alex roy: i'm tryingto understand what this comment means. leo, one of the questions is,what's the difference in hour between the ultraand the e-tron?

leo parente: so both the v6engines are the same engine in both cars, and they're makingsomewhere a little north of 500 horsepower, 510,maybe 520. the controversy is how muchthe e-tron technology is adding to it. 500 joules of energy,kilojoules? what's the-- kilojoues, 500 kilojoules,yes. leo parente: and i've heard inthe press, it was translated

to about 200 horsepower. i've heard another math, it'sonly 100 horsepower. but you were saying it really isall about what engine, what motor, electric motor. mike spinelli: right, it is allabout what motor it is, because that's just the energythat's allowed to be transmitted at that time. leo parente: so if you believeaudi's numbers, the answer to the question is, they're bothrunning under the weight of

900 kilos, 510 for an ultra,710 for a e-tron quattro. mike spinelli: you meanwithout the-- leo parente: 510 is the v6. mike spinelli: oh, gotcha. leo parente: 200 isthe e-tron tech. five plus two. mike spinelli: that's about thesame, i mean it's about 200 pounds. i'm sorry, 200 horsepower forthe audi, and you were saying

for toyota. leo parente: i didn'tsay toyota yet. mike spinelli: right, sowe don't actually-- toyota's a little bit,hasn't actually said. leo parente: that wasa lead-the-witness. mike spinelli: that wasa lead-the-witness. no, i wanted to see if youactually had heard, because you've been doing a lotof that kind of research for this.

but the interesting thing is,yes, it is about the motor that they're using, theelectric motor. and it's a function of time,right, so it's how long can the 500 kilojoules keep thatmotor running and giving them the extra power, right? so in audi's case, it's aboutsix seconds and about 200 horsepower. less known about the toyota, butwe do know that since it's powering the rear axle, it'sallowed to kick in below the

limit for the front axle of 120kilometers per hour, or 72 and 1/2 miles an hour. leo parente: so it wouldactually be curious to watch a toyota versus and audi,either one. e-tron, however, ideally, to seewhat happens corner out of one of the hairpins. mike spinelli: yes, exactly. leo parente: does the toyotatry to push, apply-- and actually, let me clarify that.

the way this hybrid technologyworks is not like an f1 curs button. it is integrated intothe process. so, all you have to dois drive the car, and it kicks in. now, there are differentsettings. mike spinelli: well,it's interesting. the audi version is completelyautomated. and the race engineerscan set it for either

power or fuel economy. in the toyota car, again, it'snot-- you're right-- it's not like f1 so you can'tpush to pass. because they're limited to whereon the track they can use it, and eventually we'regoing to talk about this, exactly where on the trackthey can use it. alex roy: it's acoward system. mike spinelli: but toyota hasthree different mappings on the wheel that the driver canchange it to, so it can change

it to power boost, itcan change it to fuel economy only. and then there's kind of amiddle ground in the middle. where they can-- it's part boostand less boost, and a little bit more forfuel economy. jf musial: so right now, lookingat the live timing and scoring, the two e-tronsare one to two. and then you have the toyotas20 seconds behind. mike spinelli: 20 seconds.

alex roy: there's an outrageouscomment here that i cannot verify, buti think we're being punked, or pranked? i think we've just been racemade-up fake history by a fan, who said, "by the way, guys, the'82 le mans ran 26 hours and 34 minutes because no onewas watching the clock." i can't verify that at all. mike spinelli: that'sfrom noki. that's from somewhere.

i just saw that. i just read thatthe other day. alex roy: but that's not true. mike spinelli: it's not true,but it's sniff petrol that's where it was on. it was on sniff petrol. it's the sniff petrol thing--fake histories of le mans. by the way, best website ever. shout-out to [inaudible]

jf musial: i have to say, forthe toyotas to be this close. this is very good. 20 second gap between thenumber two e-tron to the number seven toyota ts hybrid. almost to say, that'svery close. mike spinelli: just to bringup the toyota thing again. leo parente: that's the polecar, if that's the 59 luxury car, that was the polewinning gt car. and it was.

alex roy: leo, would youexplain for us the chat [inaudible] just exactly whatthe hell we're doing here? then i wanna discusstoyota again. mike spinelli: sowhat's going on? leo parente: sure. alex roy: this is not justa covery of the race. mike spinelli: bye the way,because josh mentioned this, and a lot of people are sayingthis, this is what you do on the radio is thatyou're always--

every hour, every quarter hour,you say exactly what it is that we're doing herefor people who are just showing up. leo parente: please,someone do that. alex roy: no, we wantyou do that. because you're the boss hogof car racing coverage. jf musial: so, welcome tothe 25 hours of the 24 hours of le mans. we used to call it thefangasmatastic--

i don't what it could've been. alex roy: that's notwhat i called it. jf musial: anyway, what we'redoing here is we're watching the live streams in studio,including live timing. we are here in new yorkin our studios. we've got men on theground at le mans. alex roy: men. jf musial: yes, men. we've got men on the ground,a le mans providing us

interviews, commentary,and footage. coming up in the next hour,we're gonna have some more interviews from the ground,including some audi drivers we've got, botterontapas well as mcnish. and actually tom kristensen. we've got an interviewwith him, which we'll pull up shortly. leo parente: we have twopages of interviews. jf musial: yeah, so we've gota lot of stuff coming up.

we've got charles morgan,who will be calling in very shortly. his lmd2 car is actuallyleading its class. alex roy: let's be clear. charles morgan, president ofmorgan motor cars, third generation morgan torun the company. an [inaudible] three-wheeler. i don't care if they win ornot, morgon's the best.

leo parente: so the people onthe couch are part of the entire drive crew. we can't broadcast the race, sowe're doing the right thing and sharing experience withyou guys in terms of chat, sharing information that isn'tmaybe on the race broadcast. and just having a goodtime with racing. mike spinelli: so we'rethe children's table. this is the adulttable over here. we're the kids' table.

we're also like in cheap trick,they're the two guys that are like really respectablelooking, and then two guys who are just totallyoff-the-wall. alex roy: leo's clearlythe vocalist. jeff is playing rhythm guitar. alex roy: leo's playing-- soloing, and bass and drums. now, i want to get back to thistoyota situation because we're talking about roadracing le mans

versus formula 1. but, think about the yearstoyota was in formula 1. they never did well. they threw a gazilliondollars at it. but it never felt like, at leastto me, like a project by a world-class carcompany putting their best foot forward. i'm lookg right at leo. don't interrupt me.

i'm gonna ask a questionto leo right now. do you not think that toyota'sterrible scandals with the prius the last few years madethem rethink where they're gonna spend real moneyon racing? and that they should enter aseries where there's a close relationship to road cars,and they have a better chance at winning? leo parente: i think the realgenesis of it is, mr. toyota, the young that's now the ceo.

even when i was there, way backin, leaving in '95, they had always talked about wantingthe brand to have more personality and passion. and there had been, frankly,some poor attempts to make that happen. this young toyota believes inthat, believes that cars should have personality,believes in motorsports. he always has hisdriving suit on. and i think that that has beenthe driving force, if i could

use the cliche, to make toyotato go in this direction. that the events of theirbusiness has forced them to step that up even more, i thinkspeaks a lot to, we need to do it now, we can'tscrew around. we have to do it right. that they are connecting thedots, finally, with a hybrid technology and what theybuilt their brand on, prius, is only logical. so i think the connection thatwe always talk about, about

having these type of sportcars closer to the cars, leo parente: the cars. them coming out with an 86that they just announced they're going to racein super gt. to do this type of thing, tohave the car literally painted blue, because blue is the toyotahybrid color, not red, it all speaks to why andhow to do it this way. my challenge is that they'regoing to spend mega bucks again, and this is agood debut so far.

very early into to the race. but will the toyota process benimble enough to react to the demands of racing and thepush from competition? it's one thing to compete inthe sales marketplace, it's another thing to compete withmega whatevers like audi and porsche coming to p1, andeveryone being serious. jf musial: and everyonein the paddock is taking toyota seriously. leo parente: they have to.

jf musial: there's no doubt. josh, number 48, we've got tomkristensen, who is mr. le mans more so than anyone else,singing the praises of toyota, really showing how far they'recome in so little time, and how audi needs toyota. leo parente: and then afterthat, alex, if there's another question, we'll pick it up. jf musial: ok, so we're goingto pull up tom kristensen. we got an interview withhim yesterday,

right before the parade. he went into great depth abouthow toyota is really on top of their game. tom kristensen: and certainly,great respect for them, they've done a good job. the car looks really good. they have made sure that theygot drivers with feedback from another manufacturer who isunfortunately not here. so in that sense, theydid really well.

two of the pre-test, theydid the fastest time. that's top speed sector withboth the hunaudieres and the mulsanne straight. so for sure, didn't seem likethey didn't stay in the pits, they were always on the track. and it seems like they hada good test day, like us. sure, like we will do is, ofcourse, use experience from test day to go even strongercoming into the race. so will we.

and i see the race very, veryopen in that sense. a lot of respect for them. and it will be very important tosee how long you can go on one tank of fuel. and as you know, there's somedifference there, which you didn't mention, but we have 58liters of fuel available in our car, 60 liters in our twosister cars, the ultras, and 73 liters in the gasoline ofthe hybrid of the toyotas. jf musial: tom kristensenon toyota.

and toyota, again, thank godthey're here, because this would not be an interesting raceif they did not show up. and i'm very curious to see whatincentives they had from the aco, the governing body,to do this program. i'm really curious to seewho suggested to them. or maybe it was aninternal thought. maybe this was somethingthat they want to do with their f1 budget. they didn't have to pay.

they haven't beenin motorsports for quite some time. leo parente: i think therewas an internal motivation to do this. i think the two tangibleaccommodations already have been, you're supposed to runevery race to compete in wec, but they weren't readyfor spot, so they got a pass for that. number two, i know that you'renot supposed to run four wheel

drive, but there was a littlebit of accommodation to help toyota to make sure that theaudi e-tron couldn't fire up their hybrid below120 kilometers coming out of a corner. and i do truly believe thatevery manufacturer and every racer says they wantcompetition. that pushes everythingforward. so toyota being here, toyotadoing a good job, i don't think there's a lotof doubt to that.

you've got a small 3.4 liternormally aspirated motor pushing a 900 kilometer racecar route, and it is challenged. mike spinelli: 900 kilogram. leo parente: kilogram. sorry, did i say kilometer? mike spinelli: that'sa pretty long car. leo parente: thatwas a fast car. mike spinelli: or fast.

leo parente: i think thequestion will be, will this new motor be able tolast for 24 hours? jf musial: we mayhave a crash. mike spinelli: yes, there'san accident. alex roy: p2 car. leo parente: p2? jf musial: number 29. leo parente: that lookslike the chicane. mike spinelli: that's oneof the nissans, right?

leo parente: i believe it is. jf musial: i'm impressed atthe global feed, the super slow motion 200 framesper second. good job, guys. that's really good. mike spinelli: i'm loving thatin motogp, by the way, too. jf musial: f1 pioneered it. alex roy: please,not be morgan. jf musial: oh, rightbehind the delta.

leo parente: no, that'sthe lola. that's [inaudible] car,but we're not sure who's behind the wheel. number 29. p2 lola judd. jf musial: judd. it's a judd. how are you, josh? josh: i'm all right.

mike spinelli: p2 lola judd,wait a minute, was that-- they were leading. alex roy: while you'rethinking about it-- mike spinelli: by the way,they were leading. alex roy: who was? mike spinelli: they wereleading in p2. alex roy: anotherchat question of who the hell we are. anyone give them the 10 secondrecap of who we are, what

we're doing? josh: we could run our intro. jf musial: yeah, i thinkit may be a good time-- mike spinelli: why don't we runthe intro every half hour, or every 15 minutes, josh? alex roy: by the way, wehave another comment-- josh: why not everyother minute-- alex roy: love the coverage,love drive. i've never watched le mansbefore, and i'm playing it on

[inaudible] at the sametime as watching you. jf musial: well, what are we? who we are? so, as part of the drivenetwork, we are-- well, this is the 25 hours ofthe 24 hours of le mans. part of our objective here isto have a viewing party. we don't have the rights toactually show on-track footage, but we have peopleon the grounds. two camera guys actuallyshooting footage

for us as we speak. they will be skyping inand presenting us that footage shortly. they're just trying to get theirstories together, as is. we already have a-- whoa. deltawing just had a mishap. mike spinelli: delta winghad a tank slap. jf musial: so what we're tryingto do here is really bringing the viewingexperience to

your computer screen. watch the feed along with us. there are plenty of feedsout there in the us. you've got speedtv, whichis active right now. you also have eurosport in theuk, and plenty of other places around the globe. ask a question. we can get you answers. we have people on the ground.

we're going to be interviewinga few people via phone. charles morgan, as what we'vesaid before, is good friends with alex. we're actually going to havedoug fehan joining in-- leo parente: from corvette. jf musial: from corvette. we also have some drivers thatwill be calling in, as well as john hindhaugh from radio lemans after his first stint will be joining us via skype.

alex roy: we also haveplay [inaudible] on the le mans track againstme, and josh [inaudible] camera, and you guys have beenasking for veetza cam. no veetza cam for now. maybe later today. leo parente: so the bottom lineof all that is, drive has always been built on thispremise of taking you places and having the conversationabout the passion of cars. and how many of us have screamedat the tv camera on a

race broadcast, and how many ofyou enjoy doing things with your friends versus alone? so we're not going to end all,be all, of all information, but we can have a conversation, we can share opinions. and maybe we're going to lookat it from our perspective, not the official formal racinglook or pr spew, and that's the whole point ofwhy we're here. you were commenting, just veryquickly, as we were watching

the race, the delta hada little moment in the brake zone. and here's the deal on delta, asfar as i'd like to have you all consider. the proof of concept is working,in terms of speed. but they are in completelynew territory. they've never run this thingmore than two hours. so all of the balance of the caris in the back of the car. that's its strengthof stability.

there's something going on withthe diff and torsion, whatever, and the braking, andit's supposed to be stable. if they're having a moment inthe brake zone, and the balance of the car is not thereand the rear is moving around, that's not a fail. they're testing the concept. but we're now going to get intothis test pilot area. jf musial: and most recent cars,and most cars, on the braking, you've got almost 70percent of the braking energy

on the front wheels, witha very narrow front end. you've got problems. especially trail breaking. i doesn't really happenthat way. so they're more brake biasto the rear on the delta leo parente: well, 70 percentof the mass is back there. so it's interesting, and wehaven't been smart enough to ask that question of marinofranchitti, but how he drives the car has to be somewhatdifferent because he doesn't

have those traditionaladjustment features. jf musial: so we just had aquick shot of the number 80 flying lizard carjust went off. leo parente: that's theirpro car, right jf musial: getting pulled-- yeah. i think it's jorg inthe car right now. they're in the kittylitter right now. they're going tobe pulled out.

i think that was closing inon arnage it looked like. leo parente: it was fast. jf musial: or was thatindianapolis? yeah, that was indianapolis. switch to my camera for a minute[interposing voices] nobody caught it. mike spinelli: that was funny. i caught it. that was funny as hell.

jf musial: so we're going tohave mike musto chiming in later this afternoon from thewest coast, as well as matt farah and actually, chris harriswill be calling in. he's on a shoot right now withandy green, the fastest man in the world, so he cannot skypein, but will be calling in. leo parente: i can't wait totalk to mike and matt and explain to them that 510horsepower goes freaking faster than 1,000 horsepowereuropas, or whatever the hell he drove.

mike spinelli: sorry, did youguys see the lizard off? jf musial: yeah, we saw that. we've referenced it. number 80 lizard car went off,but looked like they were pulling them out of the sandtrap kitty litter. didn't come in contactwith anything. it was just a braking error. leo parente: so the jump toconclusion is, of course, the porsche's running with thesecars, they're driving their

ass off to stay close. jf musial: well, they are. and it seems like the newbody, as we were saying before, is not up to par withactually the old chassis, because we've got the amateurlizards car actually in front of the pro lizard car. alex roy: wow, accident. jf musial: what accident? alex roy: somebody,flying lizards.

interposing not listeningto this conversation? mike spinelli: were yousurfing gum girls? at was that? oh, that was gum guzzler. jf musial: the question wasasked, how can you tell the two porsche flying lizardcars apart? the pro car actually hasa yellow stripe on the windshield, as well asthe yellow mirrors. the blue is the am car, withseth and spencer pumpelly.

and also, the pro car has thenew aero updates for 2012, while the amateur car, the bluecar, has the old body and aerodynamics. leo parente: and that would bea wider nose for the pro car, which also has thegreen numbers. and the narrower proam caris orange numbers. jf musial: the fenders fora wider track, but that's hurting the aero onthe mulsanne. leo parente: we'reconjecturing.

mike spinelli: by the way, theflying lizard amateur car is doing four second laps. jf musial: four second laps? leo parente: 404? mike spinelli: 4.00. the last lap was 4.00-- leo parente: four minutes. mike spinelli: sorry,four second laps. jf musial: mike's [inaudible]

mike spinelli: no, seriously mike spinelli: oh, i mean-- sorry. leo parente: oh, ialready swore. mike spinelli: yeah, whatever. ok, so last lap was 4.01. leo parente: which is the amountof time it took for you to say that. mike spinelli: well, becausejf had to make a damn

issue out of it. that's all right. jf musial: sorry, sorry. mike spinelli: it's fine. no, it's cool, it's cool. leo parente: i'm having troublewatching the race, but i want to pay attention asthese cars go down the straightaways. the closing rate andthe change of

speed is not that different. i mean an audi still has towork to get by gt car. a p2 car really has to workto get by gt car. we may not have the numbersexactly right, but there's not a big speed differential. mike spinelli: it's true. but my point was to emphasizewhat you guys-- or at least to add some actual numbersto what you guys were talking about.

because if the top lizardamateur car is doing four minute laps, they are rightthere with the latest corvette racing pro car. leo parente: and to be clear,the spec between a gte pro and am is not different. it's the same car. now, in lizards' case, theychose to run two different configurations, currentcar and last year's. but for all intentsand purposes--

and i'm going to makemyself a liar-- the rules allow equal cars. but the labra corvettesare last year's cars. the corvette racingfactory team are running this year's cars. so there are some differences. some of the aerodynamics cantransfer over, but i'm sure there are some gaps. but when you look at theporsches, now, a gt am car and

a gt pro car could be the exactsame spec, so now we're down to the drivers and theability of the team. jf musial: so i'm trying to pullup the team radio for the lizards right now. josh, i'm just going to tryto see if it works. leo parente: and i'm going totake another stab at some timing and scoring. alex, did you want to-- i fear, but out of respect,did you want to talk more

about the toyota thing? you had another question? alex roy: that's exactly[inaudible] i said what i want to say. actually-- leo parente: ok, solet me do this. so the japanese have snuck theirway back into le mans. we've got nissan, we've gothonda, we've got mazda coming. alex roy: when are we going tosee an american lmp1 car?

leo parente: i was going to say,what other brands should be racing that maybe aren't? alex roy: ford. ford. leo parente: why do youthink they aren't? seriously, why do youthink these guys are not here at le mans? mike spinelli: cani just throw one thing really quickly?

leo parente: i fearyou're right. mike spinelli: i fear thatthey're so mortgaged getting the rest of the companytogether. leo parente: ford? mike spinelli: ford. leo parente: aren't theypaying off their loans? mike spinelli: no, no, no. they didn't take any loans, sothey mortgaged everything in the company.

no, what i'm sayingis, i think-- leo parente: that'scalled a loan. mike spinelli: no, butthey didn't take the government loans. mike spinelli: no, but the pointi'm trying to make with that is that they have to be alittle bit more conservative right at this moment. because that's why they'retoning down their racing business a little bit.

and they are. and honestly, if you look athow they've pulled back in wrc, they've been pulling backand they're not leading anywhere, except for nascara little bit. so my point to that is that yes,they should be here, but they're not going to be hereuntil they start showing profits at least two more yearsthat they can do this and not piss the bankers off. alex roy: well, i'm going togive you a different reason.

mike spinelli: ok, go ahead. you go ahead. alex roy: that reason makessense on a global scale, but corvette, chevy. the corvette is sold in europe,the mustang is not sold in europe. so right off the bat, le mans is[inaudible] like f1 is more popular outside theus than within. your snap reaction is got towin in a mustang instead of

builds sales, becauseit's not. so what else theygoing to field? they don't make anotherrace car. they don't make a car thattranslates right now. they don't see-- [background commentary] alex roy: i don't think they seethe pan-brand, which is a new phrase i invented-- mike spinelli: pan-brand?

alex roy: pan-brand or transmodel range benefits of focus sales being improved bya mustang winning. i just [inaudible] see it. mike spinelli: and to yourpoint, ford gt is not only not in their lineup right now, it'snot the kind of brand extension that chevyhas with corvette. it's just not big enough. alex roy: i'd say you're right,except that the ford gt, even made temporarily, isa way greater statement of

ford's coolness than thechevy corvette is. mike spinelli: i totallyagree with you. leo parente: i understand and inmany parts agree with what you both said, but look ataudi and even toyota. they're racing the brand. now, it does seem that fordhas taken the position of racing the car models. xj rally cross has a littlefiesta wrc, mustang here. but what if they racedthe brand?

because i thought i heardmullally say that he wants ford to go back and be a globalbrand, not just an american brand. and to your pan point, the fareast is going to matter for all this, and they love theirracing and this type of car. financials aside, because i betyou we could find bigger budgets being spent on otherthings within the ford infrastructure, is there apurpose or an opportunity to race the ford brand or a fordmotor in a prototype car?

mike spinelli: well, lookat it this way. leo parente: eco-boost. mike spinelli: you're right, andthat's exactly why ford-- why hank went into europe andwent heavily into le mans. we'd like to talk about the fordversus ferrari rivalry, but ultimately, it wasabout ford europe and ford europe sales. so it was about exposingeuropeans to ford product and the ford banner.

alex roy: and theymade their point. mike spinelli: and they madetheir point spectacularly. and looking at how well ford'sdone in europe since then. leo parente: so you saidsomething alarming to me, but the evidence seemsto bear it out. if they're cutting backtheir budget on wrc-- jf musial: by the way, andthe [interposing voices] leo parente: and wrc is theireuropean racing effort, that would undermine needing to goto le mans, if that's their

performance side. jf musial: so we've got twothings happening right now. well, we've got the deltawing,which is in the garage. we're trying to figure outwhat's going on there. ferrari just went off, rightbefore the [inaudible] jf musial: yeah, there's oneother thing i want bring up, is that we now have a live feedstatic shot from inside the number one audir18 e-tron. and audi.tv, again, this isaudi.tv, you can watch along

at home, has this in-carshot with telemetry. which is absolutely awesome. and it looks like they're goingto have this for the entire time. very cool. and even a track map totell where [inaudible] alex roy: i just got reallyexcited about this. mike spinelli: what? about what?

about this whole thing? alex roy: the drive coverage. mike spinelli: it'sgood to hear it. by the way, ferrari's back on. melo was in the sand. leo parente: we're seeing a lotof gt cars go off or slide off or do some things, andclearly, a function of the intensity of that gt battle. and we are earlyinto the race.

this is going to go on all 24. mike spinelli: ok, can i justthrow one thing in, because a comment from minimotoring2says-- i love that-- would love to see paganiin le mans. that's a brand-- [inaudible] did youjust mention that? alex roy: no, no, but someonehere just said pagani and i realized it's the same guyyou're talking about.

jf musial: it wasn'tyou, it was him. as long as it wasn't me. it was this guy. so in other words, talking aboutbrands, talking about that perfect p1-- eventually, this is five to 10years out for them, and they need to make obviously, a lotmore money before they can get into le mans racing. bit it would be avery cool brand.

leo parente: but not to bring itall down, what does racing do for a brand? does pagani, does an uber brand,the ones you visited in do they need to race if i'vegot a huge cachet anyway? jf musial: keep that in mind. he's designed race cars and he'sworked on racing teams as a young person, i guessyou would say. alex roy: which gavehim the cred to launch a super car company.

there is no faster way to doomsuper car sales than to bring a super car to a race, becauseinvariably they lose. and how many lamborghinisdo you see outside of spec series? jf musial: that's a verygood point on gt1. leo parente: see, i would arguethat the only brands that really race because it'sin their ethic or blood, is ferrari or porsche. everyone else frankly had anagenda to establish some

identity or some brandpersonality, some point. toyota, to your point all theway back, is trying to say hey, hybrid is better thanjust being a prius, and they're trying to say thebrand has some passion. audi was going through their ownproblems of i can't find the brake pedal, and theygot into racing to prove themselves and tdi technology. ford, you make the case aboutestablishing a beachhead certain places.

alex roy: i'd argue that peugotwere still around-- leo parente: by the way,we're doing marcel marceau over here. what's the problem? mike spinelli: there'sa technical-- josh: jf took my coffee. leo parente: that's the issue? jf musial: which one'syour coffee? josh: the one thatwas sitting here.

alex roy: let me just pay myrespects to leo for a second. leo, who's making sure thatthis is a professional-- leo parente: i worea god damn tie. alex roy: you're keeping thisprofessional and people, the commenters are saying thisis really great. it's leo's show. leo parente: no, no,no. it's not. alex roy: no, no, the commentersare saying that,

and i'm saying it's great. so i'm also going to go back topeugot, which is peugot has the inverse problem to ford,which is that they're already well-known for losing to audi. it's true, although theymake great cars. and peugot is probably saying,unless we start selling cars in the us, let's get out ofthis business, because it makes us look bad. mike spinelli: well, the thingabout the french though, is

that they've been-- talk about racing heritage. no, wait a minute. the french have been racingcars for 115 years. leo parente: they wereone of the countries that started racing. mike spinelli: yes, they wereone of the countries that started racing, sothe fact that-- leo parente: bolivia wasthe other one, right?

bolivia? bolivia and france. so anyway, talking about racingheritage, peugot, having them out is actually-- they're in weird[interposing voices] what i'm saying is they'rein a [interposing voices] they're in a twilight worldof do they need to race? mike spinelli: but yet, theydo have the heritage. leo parente: well, baretsky madethe comment, in our uncut

plug from one of our videos,that it really came down to a new board of directors who wasmaking a statement against another board of directors tomake a corporate point, and basically lobbied the voteto kill the program. and used the financial conditionof the company, to your point about ford, asone of the reasons. everything you imply about thefrench and racing, i would believe that this is a momentin time for peugot. and peugot is part of citroenand that whole conglomerate.

mike spinelli: it's a corporateproblem, it's of money problem. but this is the fordmoney problem. and they made-- leo parente: i suggest that themoney problem is not as big as you're suggesting. mike spinelli: i don't thinkford has the problems that peugot has. i think ford has a corporateresponsibility thing.

leo parente: here'swhat i think-- no, no, no, i'm not-- mike spinelli: no, it's fine,because i'm not explaining that well, but go ahead. leo parente: i don't think it'sall financially driven. i get a sense from things i'vebeen told that there is a mindset that we want to domore for less in racing. and i'm going to pick on them,but i'm going to use them as an example, ford decided thatthey can get more bang for

their buck by spending x amountof dollars less with a ken block in our global rallycross and get the audience they want, than investing inle mans and going against these mega budgets. as someone who is internal toford, a corporate decision maker, not jim farley,said, le mans? we've already done that. and taking this posture that50 years ago of history and accomplishment is goodenough for today.

i bet you there are kids thatcan't name the beatles, and i bet you there are kidsthat have no idea that ford won le mans. and if that is the philosophy,that history is good enough, somewhere along the line, ifthese 2014 rules mean anything about proof of technology andconnecting the dots to car technology, that a ford's nothere, it'll be glaring from their absence. jf musial: so we're getting wordthat the deltawing has a

gear box problem. leo parente: and that is thefundamental to the car. leo parente: and that's whyit's in the garage. leo parente: honestly, there'sa clip i would like you to run, please, from franchittion number 15, if you could. because as we described the car,everything is happening in the back of the car. not just the mass, but thatgearbox differential torsion thing is allowing the car torotate and turn, and really

controlling a big part ofhow this concept works. how they've been working throughthe development of that, i think marino hada few things to say. marino franchitti: we had alot of gear box issues to begin with. once we solved them, thingsreally came on apace. sebring was our secondbig test. that was very important, becauseit's such a rough track, [inaudible]

allowed us to break a lot ofstuff, find out what was weak. come back to england, westarted testing here. got a lot of wet rain, likeyesterday, so could be important in the race. and it's a normal development marino franchitti: processcompressed into a completely different level because it's sodifferent, the car's so so revolutionary and sodifferent from anything that's gone before.

mike spinelli: first, pagani,it was noted by a commenter, mr. poulet surprise,that's his name. leo parente: chicken surprise? mike spinelli: it'sspelled pullet. that pagani came to le mansin 2003, [inaudible] they did 10 laps. jf musial: josh, we're havingsome audio issues. they're saying theydon't hear us. alex roy: oh, and by the way,i quote another commenter,

maxpayne19146, it seems likealex's man cave last year was more comfortable than thisset, and i concur. mike spinelli: it was. you also have a barat your house. leo parente: are we bitchingalready about the hospitality? alex roy: no, no, no. mike spinelli: but can i throwsomething in, because-- alex roy: audio issues ok? josh: no, it's good,it's good.

i just fixed it. leo parente: we're back? mike spinelli: so commentersare talking about-- they're mentioning otherbrands, like-- alex roy: bmw. mike spinelli: of course, bmw,but also bentley and jag. leo parente: interesting. mike spinelli: so is the futureof le mans all about only high-end brands?

in other words, is this goingto be a 99 percenter race, right, and then you've got theother kind of more grassroots, down home, lower-end races. but it's just theprestige brands. jf musial: i wouldn't considercorvette a prestige brand. mike spinelli: no, no,no, i'm just saying-- jf musial: toyota. mike spinelli: all right,then just consider lmp1. mike spinelli: no, forgetabout toyota.

mike spinelli: but what i'msaying is, the question is not that it is-- leo parente: i actuallyunderstand. mike spinelli: ok, thank you. go ahead. leo parente: ok, so this is thetrap of when you start to say literally, i can't seeyou because of jf-- mike spinelli: jf's ego. leo parente: this is the trapwhen you literally talk about

sports cars connecting to thesports car racing, versus a chevy, not cobalt, what arethey running right now? cruze? jf musial: cruze, and wt tca leo parente: should thatbe racing a le mans? but to the point that everyone'strying to make, the brand can race in some of theseprototype categories and tell their story. i think there's a logical rushand need for the bmws and the

jaguars, and there's beenrumor du jour of bentley coming back to le mans. they won six before. they won as a pseudo-audi in '90whatever the heck it was. it feels natural thosebrands to come back. and jf's corvette pointis, it's a sports car. it's not a high-endsports car. you want to see thesehigh-end cars race. should they be theonly ones racing?

no, i think if the rules areproving themselves out, they want to see more. now, the x factor in the rules,and i saw some comments that i hope completelymisunderstood what these 2014 rules are all about, weresuggesting, well they're really just written to allowf1 engines to be detuned and come in. and if it really does skew thatway, then you get into the argument, who'sgot the budget?

who's got the high-endmentality? and general motors, for example,is comfortable racing corvette because it is a sportscar, but they're not comfortable investingin f1 engines, because it's too elite. logic says jaguar andbmw should race. you hope that other brands, likemaybe hyundai, is trying to establish itself as acredible global brand, would think to embrace somethinglike this.

but now i'm pontificating. that wasn't the intent. mike spinelli: no,it's interesting. but then you look at the waythat a bentley or jaguar have gone racing before. it's been with a partnerlike walkinshaw right, in the old days. who would be the walkinshaw ofnow that has a shop that could build a great carthat could win.

because they did it forjag, they did it even for porsche one year. i think it was just one year. leo parente: no, no ithink you're right. i don't know what to say,because not all of it is outsourced. corvette [interposing voices] mike spinelli: outsourcingis the question. leo parente: corvettepratt and miller.

the audi shop, if i recall, wasoriginally the toyota gt1 race shope, then transferredover. and then they used outsidepeople, but then took it in-house. it depends on how you wantcommit your resources and where you find the besttalent to get done. i would think that someone liketatel and jaguar would want to outsource it. i would think thatsomeone like a

bmw would do it in-house. mike spinelli: and mercedes? alex roy: what i was going tosay is, i think there's a conceptual problem in howbrands view racing. because even audi, who's doneprobably the best job of translating race car techto the street-- think about it. think about how many companiesthere are building cars, and here we are, at the premiereendurance racing event of the

year, and how many brands arethere in the top class that sell cars for the street? two. leo parente: you'reabsolutely right. there's been too many corporatemeetings i've been in where the internals of thecompany don't see racing as a technology transfer. they see it as a peermarketing exercise. and suddenly, you're havingthe debate of roi versus a

superbowl campaign. or a social media campaignversus build a race car and doing this. and i've been in too manymeetings-- this sounds too i-ish, apologize-- too many oem corporate meetingswhere they see this as a niche. and audi has done a good job oftransferring the essence of diesel technology to broaderthan just the niche.

i remember a porsche commercialthat had the yellow dhl lmp car next to a cayennesuv to basically explain the heritage transfer and the ethicof what it drives like. racing is a theme to communicatea story. alex roy: some damageon this-- josh: guys, guys. i hate to interrupt, but thisconversation's getting a little heady. mike spinelli: we're in theweeds, but i just wanted--

can i throw one morething out? mike spinelli: a commenterjust reminded me that the walkinshaw thing is actuallycurrent, because it's like prodrive doing aston martin. alex roy: so jf-- jf musial: yes? alex roy: man peopleasked me where they can buy drive t-shirts. leo parente: that's not heady.

jf musial: let me do a recapright now of what's going on. so you're watching the 25 hoursof the 24 hours of le mans on drive. few things going on. in about six minutes, sevenminutes, we're going to get a call from the circuit from ourguys on the ground, who are going to give us an update ofwhat's happening over there. in the background you're goingto see a live feed from the number two audi withallan mcnish.

this is one of the e-trons. very cool feature. go to audi.tv. just literally audi.tv, you'llsee this feed up here. you actually see in f1 thecurves, and it will turn green when the system canautomatically use the extra electric boost on the frontwheels, and will turn red when it says they're outof the zone. so i just spent two laps beforewatching that battery

go green and red, green andred, and discharge. leo parente: and there are sevenones around the track that can use it. jf musial: and you can actuallywatch what zones it is by watching that battery. questions about thedrive t-shirts. they are not on sale, yet. we are giving those away laterin the broadcast with some challenges, i guessyou could say.

yes? leo parente: you do that. alex roy: i would like to devotehalf and hour to just reading the commentsout loud, because they're getting amazing. jf musial: a few other things. we're going to be headingto a break very shortly. we're going to head to a breakvery shortly at the top of the hour, and head into our--

whoa, we're coming up on threehours, already, of doing this. seems like it's beenten minutes. josh, how we doingtechnically? everything all right? josh: yeah. jf musial: josh, behind thecamera with us, who's going to be sitting there for-- he'salready sat there all night getting ready for this. alex roy: wait a second, i gotto read a comment here.

who's that frackin guy tellingleo to wrap it up? that was a great topic. jf musial: that's josh, theproducer behind the camera. he's in charge of thiswhole thing. he was here until three o'clockin the morning making sure this all technicallygreat. josh: also, to be clear,i'm not chris harris. i don't have an englishaccent, and i'm not chris harris.

and i'm not related, either. jf musial: that's a nice likebehind you, by the way. mike spinelli: yeah,whose bike is that? alex roy: nice bike. also, we have a comment from thedrgofast of "boobs," and i'm going to flag him now. leo parente: if he wants boobs,just look at the front of the toyota. those fenders are pretty--

mike spinelli: oh, nice. that's well done. alex roy: yes, leo, you justhit it on the head. and most importantly, adesperate request for holden to come to le mans. jf musial: he's early. ok, this is comingfrom le mans. zarin? zarin dube: hey, guys.

jf musial: good, how are you? how is everything over there? zarin dube: good. got a couple [inaudible] for you. everybody's settling intotheir rhythm here. water is still up front, somcnish is in second place. but [inaudible] actually in thetoyota recording faster laps right now thanthe lead audis.

most of all, the threeaudi in fifth place. and the issue with the numberfour car was rockenfeller had complained about a vibrationand he fell back. they brought him in, changedall four tires, everything looked ok, sent him back out. the deltawing came in just alittle bit ago for a gear box issue and it's still in. they say that it's going to bemended soon and back out. in lmgt pro, olivergavin is leading.

and gt aem, patrick piletis leading over there. so everyone is settling intotheir rhythm for the second hour, and seeing with[inaudible] going to get into pit stops heresoon, and we should have some more updates. jf musial: what's the vibe likeat the track right now? zarin dube: what's that? jf musial: what's the vibe? what's the atmosphere like?

zarin dube: the atmosphereis fantastic. everybody showed up early. the fans filled in early, whenit was pouring rain. the sun is out. there not a sign that therewas any rain at all. a lot of excitement, a lot ofenergy, everybody's up, everybody's running around. lots of excitement for,of course, all the nissans out there.

there are a lot of pescaroloflags out in the stands. even though they've beenhaving some difficulty, there's still a lot ofenergy and a lot of hope for those guys. i hope you guys can hear someof the sounds in the background, but it ispacked out here. everybody is having anabsolutely wonderful time. we saw everybody out there withsmiles on their faces, and like i said, everybody'sgetting their rhythm, and

we'll see how it progresses. leo has a question for you. hold on. leo parente: of course,i got two. the first one, getting theirrhythym, do you feel there's still some racing out there? you're seeing passes? you're seeing peoplebe aggressive? jf musial: zarin, didyou get that?

zarin dube: nope,didn't hear it. jf musial: are people stillbeing aggressive out there? is it full-on sprint race, orwhat's it like on track with the passing? zarin dube: [inaudible] it looks like toyota isnot really holding anything back right now. lederer is still turning his-- he's been consistently in the330's, but alexander wurz is

chipping away in third place,also keeping the same pace as the number one car. so i think for toyota and audi,this is going to be a sprint race to the end. nobody's taking it easy. we're starting well off from thequalifying times, but it's still very early in the race. i think audi wants to keeptheir distance from the toyotas, and once they've builtthat lead up, then maybe

we'll see them settle in andmake the toyotas chase them a little bit. jf musial: one last thing. the gt battle. are you guys paying closeattention to the aston corvette battle? zarin dube: right now, i'll behonest with you, we've been keeping up prototypes,because there's a lot going on in there.

i will check back. on the next update we'll have abetter idea what's going on in the gt stuff. that's all i allwe got for now. go have fun, be safe. zarin dube: ok, we'll probablyhave george call in for the next one. jf musial: thank you, zarin. zarin dube: thank you, sir.

jf musial: bye. that's zarin from speedsportlifeon the ground near pit lane. few questions. the toyota versus audi hybridsystems, want to give a little technical explanationfrom the chat? leo parente: two definitedifferent approaches. audi is running the porscheflywheel system to capture energy, putting the power intoelectric motors in the front

wheels so they're runningbasically a quattro configuration, four wheel drive,electric on the front. toyota is running power and theprocess through the rear tires and rear wheels, andthey're running the charge into super capacitators,which are basically-- mike spinelli: capacitors. leo parente: --capacitors,which are basically-- i never watched about the backto the future movie. i have no idea.

but those are super batteriesand what they do is collect charge fast, hold more, andexpend it quicker, right? push it to the engine motor. mike spinelli: and actually,less heat. leo parente: oh, less heat. mike spinelli: a little bitless, for cooling issues. lithium ion batteries, obviouslya big cooling problem there. leo parente: so you've got thosesuper c things, rear

drive, flywheel, front drive,all of it pumping up somewhere around 200 horsepower to addto be normally aspirated engine, in the toyota, a v8, anda single turbo v6 in the audi, a turbo diesel. so can't be more different. mike spinelli: interesting,about 200 pounds these systems add, but because le mansprototypes have that the conceit of the passenger,they're able to put these systems in the passenger seat,the heaviest parts of them in

the passenger side, so theykeep the weight-- leo parente: balanced,actually. mike spinelli: balanced,exactly. leo parente: and as it turnsout, the whole method to the madness of the whole ultraconfiguration or design philosophy for audi was tocreate weight space to add this e-tron system andnot go over the 900 kilo weight of p car. mike spinelli: so a lot of thesethings are driven by the

hybrid rules for thisyear, right? so there's a 500 kilojouleslimit. if you follow electricity,that's the amount energy-- alex roy: starbucksyou can drink. mike spinelli: how muchamount of starbucks. it's the amount of energy-- leo parente: the amount ofstarbucks you can direct to charge yourself, yeah. the amount of energy you can--

leo parente: how many red bullsdoes that translate to? mike spinelli: that'sa lot of red bull. leo parente: yeah, ok. mike spinelli: i thought we werestill talking about this, but you can-- jf musial: no, no, no, sorry. leo parente: you've got eightmore minutes before josh tells us we've gone toointellectual. this is what happens whenyou get a gre for

a high school diploma. josh: actually, it was just you,because you were talking for five minutes. alex roy: a lot of people weresaying, let the guys who are not as well-dressed talk. let me just point out a supergeek feature of the audi coverage on the screen behindyou, in on the right side of the screen and on the top,you'll notice the g meter-- jf musial: the g meteris on this.

it's very cool. alex roy: and that is oneof the nicest graphical depictions of the dynamics ofwhat's actually happening. jf musial: so cool. alex roy: yeah, reallynice [inaudible] leo parente: how highis it going? what type of read do we get? jf musial: i saw1.6 on arnage. leo parente: so unlikethe cadillac, it

goes more than 0.46? i'm sorry, cadillac, i knowyour car handles 0.9 gs. leo parente: justthe commercial. alex roy: i just want tohighlight just what a great job they did. jf musial: this interfaceis great. alex roy: really nice. jf musial: and actually, whenyou look at the data coming off the car, they actually labelwhat turn they're in.

leo parente: is thisgas and brake? what is this? jf musial: that's speed,and then you've got-- leo parente: rpm? jf musial: rpm, yeah. jf musial: very cool. alex roy: and theylabel the turns. it's really the nicest-- jf musial: this is thebest interface.

alex roy: --telemetryi've ever seen. jf musial: i have to agree. this is audi.tv. so at this point, we were justtalking about toyota. we're going to go to a breakwith tom kristensen talking about toyota's success sofar through practice and qualifying and test days. after that, we'll go to anintermission, and we'll be back at the top of the hour.

leo parente: so the audi guy ispumping up the competition, so when they win they'lllook better? jf musial: we'll see. jf musial: josh? tom kristensen: certainly,great respect for them. they made sure that they gotdrivers with feedback from another manufacturer, who isunfortunately not here. two of the pre-test theydid the fastest time. that's the stops speed sectorwith both the hunaudieres and

the mulsanne straight. so for sure, it didn'tseem like they had any significant problems. they didn't stay in the pits,they were always on track. and seems like they had agood test day, like us. sure, like what we will do is,of course, use the experience from test day to go evenstronger coming into the race. as you know, there's somedifference there, which you jf musial: it's as if everyoneelse can't survive this, so

thank you, leo. leo parente: i was panicked. i was panicked to flushthe toilet. i have a mike on. jf musial: so welcome tothe 25 hours of the 24 hour of le mans. we are here at drive studiosin new york. we've got two guys on theground at le mans. and what we're trying to do itat this point is recap the

race coming up. i know there's been a lotof things going on. so far up top, we've got the twoaudi e-trons, one and two. the number seven toyota isrunning third, a mere 65 seconds behind number two,which is not that bad considering that this is theirfirst le mans outing in years. leo parente: three minuteplus lap, so they're on the same lap. and then in forth place, we'vegot the first ultra being

driven right now by duval,which is running about comparable lap times to thee-trons right now, which is pretty cool. leo parente: i think there'sa little bit f pacing going on right now. jf musial: yeah, yeah, yeah. so if you guys want to watchalong with us on a particular feed in the us, speed iscurrently broadcasting. in europe you'vegot eurosport.

right here behind us is theaudi feed from audi.tv. they're running a continuousin-car feed with telemetry from all their particularcars. this is lederer. we had a few opportunitiesto meet up with some of the audi drivers. we'll get to that shortly. again, we've got peopleon the ground at le mans, sending us updates.

we also have i think, charlesmorgan will be charles morgan, of morgan motorcompany, who's running car in p2, which was actuallyleading at the beginning half of the race. leo parente: we were supposedto call him to arrange that. jf musial: oh yeah, we'lltake care of that. don't worry about that. leo parente: but he'sready to do that. jf musial: and we had a littlebit of rain at the beginning

of the race, andnow look sunny. beautiful. we'll be checkingon the weather. we have a webcam actually 30miles west of the city of le mans, the town center, toreally predict the rain. leo parente: is thatour webcam? jf musial: no, absolutely not. we've stolen the feed,just like we are pseudo-watching this feed.

we're not stealing audi. leo parente: yeah, iwas going to say. jf musial: if you want to listenalong also, we've got radio le mans. john hindhaugh and jeremy shaware currently broadcasting. hindhaugh will hopefullybe joining us later on. and we've got the spotter'sguide by andy-- leo parente: blackmore. jf musial: andy blackmore.

so andyblackmoredesign.com. you can go download thespotter's guide, and that will tell you how you identifyall the different cars. i know the two ultras and thetwo e-trons look the same. this will tell youthe differences. leo parente: and remember, ifyou look along the bottom. leo parente: drive logo,at the bottom of the spotter's guiders. the simraceway andy blackmoredesign spotter's

guide for this year. jf musial: so at the beginningof the race, we had in the gt class the aston martin up top. corvette was very close,very tight. leo parente: it's backto the old gt1 days. jf musial: exactly. we just had a question aboutwhy bmw is not in the race. you want to talk aboutthat a little? leo parente: the short versionis basically this.

they made a racing decision tofocus their sports car effort on gtm, german touring car, andthen they're running with bobby rayhal in americale mans. jf musial: in americanle mans series. and that car is going to bephased out soon actually, with the new chassis. leo parente: yeah, and to thatpoint, they chose not to compete in wec. wec is part of le mans, sothey're not at le mans like

they were last year. they did the durbergreen 24. jf musial: yeah, butthat was not-- leo parente: and the rumor isthat everyone's looking at the 2014 rules to make a decision onwhat to do next with sport car racing. jf musial: ladereris in the pits. the number one audie-tron currently pulling into pit lane.

i have to tell you if you guyshaven't seen, the telemetry and the graphic interfaceon the audi.tv live stream is amazing. so pretty cool to have anonstop in-car feed. for the driver, that may bekind of nerve-wracking, because you can't hidefrom live footage. leo parente: the classic story,and i was actually privy to this, is my team matecame in, he was explaining how he was flat in a corner, and upcomes the engineer with the

computer plot saying,not so much. jf musial: so again, if youwant to follow us, use the chat feature, i'mon it right now. we also have twitter. we're on the front pageof youtube right now. we're going to be therefor the next 15 hours. joining us on the couch isit mr. mike spinelli of jalopnik.com. mike spinelli: oh, hi.

jf musial: hi, mike. mike spinelli: wheredid everybody go? leo parente: and drive'sroad tester. mike spinelli: alex roy will beback in a couple seconds. he had to take a few bites outof his sandwich, apparently. what have you got there? alex roy: a no-brandedcarrot juice, a-- mike spinelli: no-brandedcarrot juice? leo parente: there we go.

now we can see your helmet-- i mean, head. mike spinelli: is thatpepto bis--? what the heck-- with did you bring? alex roy: i can't show it oncamera, but if you switch to this camera, you won'tsee the brand. but if you switchto this one-- mike spinelli: i have twothings, three things, but

they're all over here. look at all the stuffyou have. you've got-- mike spinelli: --liquidsand ointments-- alex roy: --that why i havethis noble girth. now let us return to theissues of the day. mike spinelli: by the way, leo,are you keeping track of the goodyear bringing inmore robust left tires? leo parente: yeah, the point isthat speed has now cut away

from le mans on tv to nascar,which is an american icon. and i'm sure they're covering iton speed.com, but we're not going anywhere. jf musial: no, we'rehere, we're here. look at those nascar tires. awesome, goodyear. by the way, that was a verycomplex joke that you guys-- leo parente: missed? alex roy: didn't get?

mike spinelli: because i forgetthat you're not-- we're actually now watchingnascar, because speed has moved over to-- jf musial: which is why we'redoing what we're doing. mike spinelli: and that's whywe're doing what we're doing. where am i looking? by the way, whichcamera's that? all right, good. leo parente: you shouldlook straight ahead.

mike spinelli: i'm just lookingat that thing that-- josh: you know, there's amonitor that shows you which camera's on. mike spinelli: i understandthis, but there's another camera somewhere else thatshows how fat we are. alex roy: that one'sso unattractive. mike spinelli: oh, there'sthe other one. alex roy: whenever that cameragoes on, i feel-- josh: this one looks a lotbetter than the other one.

jf musial: i'd also like topoint out, thanks to youtube and our partners over there,now when you search le mans live stream in google,we're one of the top results that come up. alex roy: fantastic. mike spinelli: are you laughingat how i placed the pillow here to concealmy stomach? mike spinelli: two things,first of all, alex's girth blocker.

so that's cool. alex roy: it's like a-- you know how the racingseats have the head protection side things? chairs should have the same. mike spinelli: also commenteron the bottomlayer, who is a long time commenter here, notedthat you brought ensure. but you didn't actuallybring ensure. mike spinelli: some sortof a coconut water.

it's coconut water. alex roy: no brands. mike spinelli: no-brandcoconut water. alex roy: no brands, exceptfor drive and blitz144 mike spinelli: and apparentlyapple, as everybody's noticing that we are all apple geeks. but not fanboys, morelike just nerds. leo parente: now it's going tobe dangerous, because i have jf musial: oh you do?

you got it working? leo parente: i got mineworking so far. and it's interestingto compare. the one f1 timing and scoringshows you the sector times from what you can geton the internet. so you can really track howthe cars are performing through various partsof the lap. here, obviously, i guesswe're just getting-- why does it show that thenumber one audi is out?

jf musial: out means pit. leo parente: out means pit. jf musial: yeah, they haven'tactually figured-- it's that's the french. they haven't figured outthat we have terms for different things. leo parente: no, if thiswas the french, it would say surrender. alex roy: wait a second.

leo parente: who else am igoing to get on that one? mike spinelli: [french] leo parente: and you know aboutthe italian navy, right? how do you see theold italian navy? no, how does the joke go? mike spinelli: oh, it's theglass-bottomed boats. jf musial: you can'tscrew up the joke. why do the italian navy haveglass-bottomed boats? leo parente: to see theold italian navy.

mike spinelli: sorry, iscrewed it up, too. why does the new italiannavy have-- leo parente: --glass-bottomedboats? to see the old italian navy. mike spinelli: exactly. leo parente: so that'smy offset for the leo parente: you haveno decency. but it says out when the driverunplugs, so the way, just so everyone knows, the waylive timing and sorting

works so that they always knowwhen the driver, which driver is in the car. there's not a person therewatching to see who gets in. the helmets of the drivers havetransponders in them. jf musial: so as soon as youunplug the live timing and scoring says that there'sno driver in the car. that's why it saysout, actually. when they plug back in, the livetiming and scoring from the helmet will say thisis this driver.

it's all automated, there's noone actually watching this to see who gets in the car. so there have been stories, wewon't name names, but when a driver wasn't ready, and anotherdriver had to get in in his place, but his stintwas already done, he would just on put on his helmet andplug, and with live timing, you would not be able to tell. hopefully this doesn'tstill happen. alex roy: did you knowthat when it rains,

you haven am umbrella? you could open it, and then thewater doesn't touch you. your head. jf musial: i don't know whyyou're being a dick, but that was savvy. i'm trying to-- alex roy: technology. leo parente: so now i'mactually starting to follow the race.

do you realize in gt, for all ofthe aston vs. corvette, we have a one pit stop strategyto this point, and a ferrari is in p1. the af corse. jf musial: but it sayshe has two pit stops. leo parente: mine says one. jf musial: he just went in. he just went in. leo parente: wow,why is yours--

ok, i get it. leo parente: damnyou, verizon. jf musial: milner is probablygoing to take the lead from him in the number 74 corvette. and yep, af corse is comingout of the pit lane right now so. so if you guys are curious-- leo parente: we don't know that,because on your tv, it's greg biffle.

jf musial: if you're in the us,and you are looking for a feed, live.lemans-tv.com has alive feed from the aco as well as live timing. leo parente: has anyone triedto find the continuation of the race coverage online? it should be somewhere. jf musial: many peopleare watching it. leo parente: why aren't we? jf musial: sorry, icouldn't hear you.

leo parente: we shouldfind the online coverage of the race. jf musial: i just said that. that's what i was saying. so you've got it. jf musial: live.lemans-tv.com. leo parente: watch my littlenetwork blow up. but that's it, right? how are you guys doingover there?

mike spinelli: we'redoing fine. and by the way, i just want tolet the commenters know, there is no tension betweenme and jf right now. jf musial: no, welove each other. leo parente: oh, really? mike spinelli: it's just thathe's just an overbearing jackass, and-- jf musial: you're manboobs. mike spinelli: maboobs,right, exactly.

alex roy: hey, wait a second. jf musial: so we actually, youknow, we're on a radio station in st. louis. alex roy: we had a morningradio show. leo parente: was this a joke ora real thing, real because you had me fooled. male speaker: jf and and i. leo parente: except when youwent to the call letters. mike spinelli: k-o-c-k radio.

we were man boobsand the chimp. leo parente: because youwere the morning show. it wasn't like, dick jokes. it was rooster. k-o-c-k. alex roy: these inside jokesare becoming tedious to me. jf musial: you're the masterof inside jokes. alex roy: let me site a jokethat never gets old. creed shreds for 1,000[inaudible].

if you have to ask,look it up. jf musial: so there's no tensionbetween [inaudible]. mike spinelli: no, there's notension between me and jf. alex roy: no, there'smore like, mention. jf musial: that'sa yiddish joke. leo parente: does anyone havea le mans question for the chat people? jf musial: ok, let's, oh, doyou want to take of this? leo parente: no, i don't.

does anyone have one relevantto maybe, like, le mans? jf musial: question is who doyou think is the greatest le mans driver of all time? alex roy: fangio. mike spinelli: idon't think so. alex roy: i mean, the greatest,not the best. jf musial: i don't thinkhe raced le mans. leo parente: i'm not surehe raced le mans. alex roy: that wouldanswer it.

leo parente: he did drive thecorvette ss at sebring, but i thought that was to be test itfor zora, whatever the heck his name is. jf musial: zora dunkov. leo parente: we have tolook if he raced. he must have raced at le mans. and the delta, maybe, is goingback out on track. jf musial: it's goingback out. i just saw somethingvery interesting.

leo parente: what is this? jf musial: speedwent back to-- leo parente: becausethe delta. jf musial: i don't know. really interesting. i just noticed some flaps inthe back of the delta that were movable. leo parente: i saw thisat sebring, and no one would talk to me.

it's got a little rheostatmotor, and those flaps are controlling the balance ofthe car aerodynamically. and they seem to go up intothe air like a gurney, and then they go down into thetunnel to create more turbulence down there, too. mike spinelli: what'sthe le mans rule? what's the fcl, acland fia rule? leo parente: there is no rule. this is open category.

mike spinelli: wait, wait. because i mean, just so wedon't, because i just wanted to finish the question. leo parente: and by theway, the tension is-- i can feel the tension. mike spinelli: no, i know, ijust want to run into the thing, or sort of, the questionis what's the rule on active aero in le mans? leo parente: there is noactive aero allowed.

leo parente: how long didit take to get there? but yes, because the delta isrunning an un category, its own category. mike spinelli: it can doanything it wants. leo parente: it can doanything it wants. mike spinelli: there you go. alex roy: let's show some morerespect for the commenters, because the list of suggestionsfor greatest le mans driver ever is colossal.

furthermore, fangio wasalmost killed in the 1955 le mans disaster. mike spinelli: yeah,i just read that. leo parente: i was born in '54,so i should have known. alex roy: furthermore, everybodyknows the greatest le mans driver of all timeis steve mcqueen in the movie le mans. leo parente: no! no!

mike spinelli: wait a minute. you know what, he didrace le mans with a broken foot, right? alex roy: yeah. alex roy: mcqueen? mike spinelli: mcqueen. steve mcqueen. leo parente: did herace le mans? i thought he raced sebring.

i don't know. i'm asking. mike spinelli: no, didn't he-- leo parente: someonelook it up. you've got more computers therethan freakin' apple. mike spinelli: i gotmore stuff here-- leo parente: what else weregreatest drivers? alex-- jf musial: derek bell.

alex roy: paul newman. leo parente: how do yousay roy in french? "wah." leo parente: "wah." alex roy: paul newmanhas been suggested. leo parente: as greatestdriver? he drove a hawaiian tropic car,and the girls seem to hang out with him. alex roy: jackie icks.

leo parente: jackie icks. alex roy: jan lammers. leo parente: i thinkhe won for bmw. jf musial: how about brundle? alex roy: he's been named. mike spinelli: martin what? jf musial: martin brundle. mike spinelli: he'sin the race today. that's awesome.

leo parente: this is how badi am with the facts. who's won more le mans? is it christiansen now? jf musial: yeah, christiansen'sat eight. then it's icks, jackie icks,with i think, seven. leo parente: and who's wonin more different cars? was it icks? jf musial: probably. i would assume so, yeah.

and then you've gotderek bell. i'm going off memory here. leo parente: that's good. jf musial: derek bell,and then you have-- leo parente: you guyshave figured out-- mike spinelli: how aboutpatrick dempsey? who's the audi driver thatretired two years ago, that smokes after gettingout of the car? [inaudible].

jf musial: and then puro. mike spinelli: can i justmention that i, yes, i screwed up. you're right, it was sebring,not le mans. i confused newman andmcqueen, which is a terrible thing to do. alex roy: oh my god. mike spinelli: i know, it'sa terrible thing. i'm sorry.

and mcqueen had the brokenfoot at sebring. leo parente: and i confusedneil patrick harris with patrick dempsey, soit's all even. mike spinelli: there's a hugedifference between the two. alex roy: that's good stuff. leo parente: patrickdempsey's gay? what? jf musial: this is howwe get in trouble. comments like that.

mike spinelli: this is how youmisinform viewers you have. leo parente: it's not trouble. it's a lifestyle choice. jf musial: so if you're justtuning in, this is the 25 hours of the 24 hoursof le mans. right now at the desk we'vegot leo parente. on the couch, mike's spinelliand alex roy. mike spinelli: hi jf musial: mike from roadtestament and drive central

fame, and alex fromlive and let-- alex roy: girthblockers.com. jf musial: on the feed righthere we have the in car of the number two, tom christiansen. if you go to audi.tv, you willsee telemetry and an in car dash camera. audi has done a phenomenal jobwith their telemetry and graphic interface. they're cutting between alltheir different cars.

if you want to watch along withus, we're currently on speed, but you can also goto live.lemans-tv.com. there's another aco live feedthere with 10,000 people watching that feed. jf musial: much betterthan we're doing. and live timing and scoringthere as well. the aco feed is mostly just incar camera shots, though. mike spinelli: i never wouldhave t would work. leo parente: can i ask thechatters, what would you like

us to do that would be moreinteresting for you? jf musial: ask them, not me. leo parente: i was pointingto chat boy over there. alex roy: who, me? leo parente: spinelli. mike spinelli: showthe race, maybe? but we can't. obviously we can't. leo parente: no, i'mnot asking you

to answer that question. mike spinelli: no, but imean, i think that's what they would say. i'm gonna go out on a limb. leo parente: oh, now you'respeaking for the audience? mike spinelli: i'm spreakingfor the audience. because i've been hangingout with them all day. jf musial: we havetwo guys on-- mike spinelli: we know eachother pretty well.

leo parente: well, put it backin your pants and ask them. jf musial: we have two guys onthe ground giving us updates as well as interviewscoming up. we're gonna probably hit upanother, a lot of our interview, as he just gotout of the car, we have some notes from him. leo parente: someof our videos. jf musial: some of our videos. it would be interesting to hearwhat lotterer has to say

about driving the newe-tron, number 27. we'll pull that one up. lotterer, of course, was le manswinner last year, first time for him. and he had the famous ending ofthe race that no one really knew about, as he nursed thatcar to the finish last year with a punctured tire. leo parente: to that point, ifyou want to go back to back, look at 33.

it may be relevant, becausewe're seeing a lot of traffic this year again. maybe 33. jf musial: yeah, 27 and 33. josh, tell us when you'reready on that. yes, so a questionin the chat. all the audis are beingidentified by the led lights on the front. so you'll see the e-trons withdifferent cars, the ultras

with different cars, much likesame cars may have different colors on the head visoror the windshield. so that's a new technology,audi is providing that. we are going to jump now tolotterer driving the audi e-tron, and describing the styleat which he does so. leo parente: won last year'srace, won the pole this year. andre lotterer: completelynew. there's almost no carryoverparts from the r18. the e-tron we have this yearis a brand new car.

but of course, we carry over theknowledge, we have a lot of data, and of course driverswill carry over their confidence. with the previous r18, which wasa really good car, and we improved it to have aneven better car. and the principle, and the planis to not have a massive change, because we weregoing in a really good direction with r18. and we kept improving on that,so for us and the driving

style is not a big difference. there is some difference withthe hybrid and all, because we recuperate and we boost, sothese two things have some influence on the brakingstrategy and on the acceleration strategy. so tires will feel different onthe front because we boost on the front tires. and braking will be strongerthrough the operation. but these are all factors we arestill learning about that.

they're very small, but we'relearning about them. but driving is very similar. surprised at the beginningbecause we come to a lap car, the first expectation you haveis that he's gonna let you by. you get close, and he's startingto slow you down, and braking, especially to slow youdown, allow the other car to catch up. and then you think, wow, thisis not fair, but you have to keep calm and keep the caron the track, and in that

situation, it's not like a usualsprint race where it's about one driver againstthe others. there's no personal feel there,because it's audi against peugeot, and the onlytarget that i had, it didn't matter if it was a lap car ornot, it was to get by the car as fast as possible. and i had to stay calm, anddon't take it personal, and so something, it was just likeanother race contact. it was not a direct battle.

and for sure, it was unnecessaryto take those risks with the lap car, butthat was the game at the moment, and i quicklyunderstood that. and i had to make the most outof it, and not get upset, it's just a waste of energy if youhave your thoughts of this is unfair, or screamat the radio. i didn't say anything, i wasjust focusing on using any opportunity to get by. if you see a car ahead, and youwon't make it to overtake

him until the corner, you liftoff earlier, and as soon as you lift the power, youstart to recuperate. and the longer you recuperate,the more you can boost. unless you reach your limitof energy from the rules. jf musial: so that was andrelotterer from audi sport talking about the driving feeland characteristics of the e-tron, which it's prettycool to hear that from-- these guys are learningas they go. it was only last week they goton the start, and actually

figured out where this wasactually going to work, and how they're going to be able todrive the car, definitely. and mcnish said the same thing,especially they did some wet weather driving, too,and they said how the battery chargers differentlyin the wet. so are so many thingsgoing on. we talk about formula 1 drivershaving such problems learning when to use drs,when to use the curves. these guys have itjust as bad.

really, really, it'sa lot of things going on in their minds. and of course, audi has it goingto the front wheels, while toyota to therear wheels. leo parente: i'm sorry i didn'thear that, so i'm doing this from memory, but therewas a subtlety where the e-tron does not apply whenyou step on the break. it starts to charge when youlift up the throttle. leo parente: and that, i think,is part of the element

of how it works for themdifferently in the rain. because your break zonechanges in the wet. jf musial: they don't run toomuch drag on these cars. leo parente: so one of theimprovements of this year is the car is more drivable,because they balance the aero. lotterer was talking about lastyear, the car was so much on the knife edge because theytake all the aero out of it. it's like the old days. remember the long tailporsche 917s?

917ks and stuff? leo parente: they were[inaudible]. they were super fast, but theywere totally unstable. and i remember drivers talkingabout needing the entire width of the track just to keepthe car under control. i don't think this was thataggressive, that bad, but it is on the edge. jf musial: talking about closecompetition right now, gt battle is very close, with theaston martin corvette battle.

they are nose to tail. they're nose to tail with eachother right now, with the ferrari about two secondsbehind them. really cool seeing the astonmartin up front. they did extensive testingat sebring. they did the 12 hours ofsebring, than the 24 hour test the day after. and they're running dunlaps onlike, the rest of the field. and maybe that's an advantage,but really doing a great job

there, aston martin. leo parente: well, the dunlapson the bmw and alms proved themselves out. leo parente: and theregoes the pass. i think we may have the corvettegetting past the aston martin. jf musial: there they do. i don't know how, but, i guess,i don't know who's in the vantage right now.

oh, turner is in thevantage, and milner is in the c6 corvette. they're running comparablelap times. 3:58s, 3:59s fromwhat i can tell. both with two stops each inthe pits, and identical average speeds throughoutthe course. leo parente: so much for exoticmid engine technology. front drive v8s. both of them, right?

absolutely. i think the aston looksmuch better than the corvette, though. leo parente: the astonis a very small, little compact package. and i think that's the bigadvantage, that it's created for itself in terms of aero. you can see that the differencewhen they show the cars from the front.

the corvette, it lookslike a corvette. big and mean and wide. jf musial: interesting questionsin the chat. what's the best americandriver? who's the best americandriver? mike spinelli: dan gurney? jf musial: best americandriver in le mans? alex roy: not tanner foust? mike spinelli: i'm going to saydan gurney, but i don't

remember his record. jf musial: yeah, i don't know. alex roy: but dan gurney didset one of the first cannonball run recordsacross country. brock yates, editorof car and driver. jf musial: there you go. there's the alexroy connection. and that's the connection toyou, and there are some questions about 3207in the chat.

mike spinelli: sadly, themovie's not out yet. alex roy: it should be markedas spam, and then deleted. jf musial: oh, really? leo parente: was there aconnection between you driving cross country, and what youhad to do versus endurance racing like this? alex roy: well, all the guyswho had the records for cannonball were all guys, theywere the am, they put the am in pro am.

and they had been doingendurance ssca events. and i watched le mans, and so iactually, i thought the four hour stints seemedkind of short. because we pulled sevenhour stints. jf musial: seven hour stints? but only because we had tominimize fuel stops. leo parente: were you workingtraffic, like these guys have to work? leo parente: how wasit different?

alex roy: because we wentwhen there was-- imagine if le mans as a racewas held over a seven day period, and cars could go outand compete at any point they wanted over the seven days,as long as they drove for 24 hours. well, you'd have a lot lesstraffic on the course, and everybody would go at night,when no one else was going. that's what we did. i think we probably passed atot of 100 cars across the

entire country. because we just wenton a weekend date. april 1st, october 7,when there was no one out in the road. but there's no doubt that we,i mean, i watched le mans, read up on le mans to understandwhat it would take to do that. and reliability, redundancy,redundancy, redundancy. we only had whatwe could carry.

no pit stops. and the car had to work. and so we took it out, i wentthrough a cross country three, four times in that carunder identical conditions just to be sure. leo parente: and we're laudingthe audi telemetry here. there was a whole bunch oftelemetry involved in what you had to do. alex roy: oh, well, thetelemetry that we gathered on

our practice run. wow, leo, you never ask thesequestions in private. thanks for the shout out. jf musial: just aquick update. fastest car on trackright now. fastest car on track. alex roy: delta wing. jf musial: numberseven toyota. mike spinelli: delta wing.

jf musial: running fastestlap times. also, corvette overtookaston again. leo parente: they've goneback and forth. leo parente: i'm looking forsomething i've dropped, so bear with me. alex roy: by the way, when yousaid they'd popped an engine, toyota popped an enginein qualifying? leo parente: that's whati thought, yes. alex roy: i mean, werethey maxed out on a

straight that happened? he got into the pits, and theymade the engine change. jf musial: second fasteston track, number seven. leo parente: onesecond quicker? so, yeah. this is all new technologyfor them. alex roy: i want to talk about[inaudible] seven, but i want to ask you this right now. is there any chance in a millionyears that a toyota

could take-- alex roy: number one. leo parente: sure there is. and not because they're turningquick laps right now. they're in the game. and this is a race ofso many variables. i can' even calculate how manystops they're going to make, how many things are going to gowrong, everyone's testing new technology.

the e-tron is nota proven car. this is the first year. alex roy: are you surprised thataudi, tha r18 came out and only ran in one iterationfor one year before being replaced? alex roy: the r18 cameout last year. alex roy: and now there'san e-tron. the r15, how many yearsdid that run? two?

one? so i guess my takeaway is audihad winning cars, but they lost show to peugeot. they lost wec. the r15 wasn't abrilliant car. how many changes did it gothrough on that nose, for example, to clean it up? the r18, from what weunderstand, was a good car, but three of them failed.

one of them was left. and as the drivers nowexplained, it wasn't the most brilliant car to drive. you had to do a lotof catching. so for them to make thosechanges and upgrades, that's the constant improvement audiway, that's the toyota way. i'm not shocked that they'vekind of elevated the game. i looked at the back of the r18and the current ones, and the pull rod suspension is a newdesign for this year's car

to fix last year'spush rod rear. they went to f1 tech. they talk about it when weplay some of the pieces. 90% of this car is brand new. it may look like the same car,but it's all new because the fixes all the things thatneeded to be fixed. mike spinelli: i just have tosay, if you're not watching the gt battle right now, youjust, i mean, really, don't watch us right now.

watch the six gt pro carsjust battling their asses off right now. jf musial: don't watch us. mike spinelli: no, really. i mean, seriously. leo parente: well said. mike spinelli: you can listen tous, but watch the damn gt. leo parente: you actually hada drafting party between the aston and the corvette fortwo successive laps.

it's amazing. the gaps are two, it's twoseconds of each other. jf musial: incredible. leo parente: where areyou watching this? jf musial: betweenfirst and third. mike spinelli: betweenfirst and third. alex roy: spinelli, whereare you watching us? mike spinelli: i don'tthink i can tell you. alex roy: why not?

mike spinelli: i don't think-- i'm watching them here. leo parente: he writesbetter he speaks. jf musial: please go tolive.lemans-tv.com to see some in car footage right now. they're actually with the numbertwo audi with mcnish, which is not this feed. this is christiansen. leo parente: trycorvettemotorsport.com.

jf musial: sorry, this is-- yeah, same feed right here. they may have the race feed, andthey may be focused on gt. i am telling you, i am justa technology failure here. mike spinelli: no,it's all right. corvette and aston, this islike an epic battle, but ferrari is-- leo parente: i just drivethe damn things. i don't want to playwith this crap.

swear to god. mike spinelli: that'swhy i have a commercial, and you don't. by the way, i want to see nissanput a gtr in here. i'm throwing that out there. jf musial: i'm surprisedthere's no-- mike spinelli: i thinkthat's a longer term strategy for nissan. on nissan?

i think three to fiveyears, you're gonna see a gtr in here. alex roy: i don't think so. mike spinelli: why? alex roy: i don't thinkthey have to. mike spinelli: i don't thinkthey have-- well, i don't think they have to, but ithink they're going to. leo parente: how about this? as soon as someone adoptsgt3 rules, the

gt3, gtr that exists. leo parente: you'll have themall here at le mans. i don't know what's going on. mike spinelli: i'm sorry, is ita gt-- again, though, the problem is is it a gtr if it'sonly two wheel drive? that's, again, an issue. so forget-- you can go ahead. leo parente: is it an audir8 for the same reason?

but that's why i'm sayingyou'll see one. mike spinelli: i'll say aaudi r8 is still an r8. but a gtr is not. leo parente: i'llagree with that. mike spinelli: i'll concedethat, somewhat. alex roy: and i mean, there isan r8 race car, which is two wheel drive. and a gtr is, without that[inaudible], it's-- r8 isn't two wheel drive.

alex roy: there isan r8 race car. mike spinelli: oh,race cars, yeah. but not their road car. leo parente: oh, the-- alex roy: oh! leo parente: to mike spinelli'spoint, and we just reacted, in the brake zone ofone of the hairpins, it looks like not molson, but the astonmartin kind of went in too deep to protect the lead,and lost the lead.

leo parente: they are notfooling around here, and it is less than a quarterof the race. alex roy: i almost want t runover and sit in jf's chair. leo parente: come on over. mike spinelli: gosit over there. alex roy: back inthe game, baby. leo parente: by the way,this is how bad i am. what hour are weinto the race? mike spinelli: let's see.

two and a half hoursinto the race. leo parente: we're onlytwo and a half hours? mike spinelli: two anda half hours into-- so we have 21, i'm sorry22.5 hours left. leo parente: got it. i just found my timing. mike spinelli: [inaudible] withall the laptops we have on the desk. can we get one more?

leo parente: by the way, thisis now becoming genius bar. alex roy: i'm just here for fiveminutes, to keep the seat warm for jf. leo parente: i have beltedmyself into this seat. i am ready. mike spinelli: ah, jfwas seat jacked. leo parente: seat jacked? alex roy: let it be said. jf musial: i just wanted to--

was that the corvettethat's running. if you go to detroit, which idon't necessarily recommend-- leo parente: but you said itwas the berlin of berlin. alex roy: it's the san salvadorof the north. the best restaurant indetroit is the lobby of a compuwear building. leo parente: really, detroit? jf musial: why am i onthe stream alone? mike spinelli: the brazilliansteakhouse?

leo parente: no, no. rattlesnake club. alex roy: really,a great place. highly recommended. what else you got? alex roy: that's all i got. jf musial: by theway, gt battle. ferrari passed the aston. ferrari passed turner.

i mean-- mike spinelli: corvettestill is in the lead. leo parente: and by the way,here comes the straight away, and the low drag aston's gonnarepass the ferrari. i'm really, really amazed thatthe ferraris that had the top speed are not carrying it. jf musial: don't, don't, don't,don't, ah, ferrari. leo parente: that was basicallya side by side, a reaction to side by side intoone of the hairpins.

jf musial: oh my. that was-- leo parente: so here comesmy question for the group and everyone. ok, the prototypes are cool. but what if le mans wasjust all gt cars? would you still watch it? alex roy: absolutely leo parente: absolutely?

mike spinelli: i wouldwatch it more. leo parente: commenters,what do you think? all gts? what if it was just gts? alex roy: you mean one class? mike spinelli: like gt1? or just, like, another gt? like an fi8-- leo parente: i missed yourparsed syllables.

just gt. just gt cars. alex roy: absolutely. mike spinelli: yeah, but that'salready going on. you could be watching thatin europe, you know, or-- leo parente: but at le mans. mike spinelli: but atle mans, right. leo parente: at le mans. mike spinelli: no, i thinkyou need prototypes.

absolutely not just gts. mike spinelli: because why? ok-- jf musial: i'll tell you why. leo parente: no,let him finish. i'd like to hear him finishhis sentence. we got 23 hours, let's see if mike spinelli: oh, crap. oh, wait a minute.

kicked over a-- no, i don't think you can havele mans without the high technology angle of it. i think you need the highestprototype experimental high technology aspect. leo parente: but there'sa porsche hybrid 911. what if these cars had allthe tricks and trade? what if they had thelatest tech? mike spinelli: yeah, but thenyou have aero issues, you've

got down force issues. you want to see more speed, youwant to see more high tech racing action. leo parente: doesn't the noseof the 458 have a production car, movable aerodynamicdevice? don't they have downforce tones? mike spinelli: but they'relimited to the shape of the car. leo parente: but they couldbuild any shape they want.

mike spinelli: but they can'tbuild any shape they want if it looks like a ford v8. leo parente: ok, so youwant prototypes. mike spinelli: i wantprototypes. i want experimental aero, andexperimental engines. and i want to see more-- leo parente: our young studenthere, alex roy, is gonna raise his hand, he has an answer. alex roy: let me explainto you--

leo parente: oh, god. alex roy: the different betweendreams and fantasy. leo parente: you need to tellme something in a moment. alex roy: we dream of owning a911 or a ferrari, or whatnot. we fantasize about gettinginto a prototype car. and what makes this so great,sadly, is that the difference in speeds between the slowestcars and the fastest are the greatest you will see inany form of racing. in the same place,at the same time.

leo parente: so you likethe diversity. alex roy: the, i wouldn't saythe bushian strategery of it is it's genuinely fantastic. alex roy: and remember also thatat the extreme top level, you see cars that look as closeto spaceships as you'll ever see rollingon the ground. audi and toyota as an example. alex roy: and that'sreally cool. i'll say one the one thing infavor of what you suggest.

if it was all one class, iwould be just as excited, because you would see many moremanufacturers show up. leo parente: were there anycommenters that took my bait? mike spinelli: by the way, thereare some commenters that only want to see gt cars. but i think-- leo parente: they're wrong? mike spinelli: it skews-- well, i think they're wrong,but i think it skews more

toward you have to haveprototypes, because you have to have something that is thehighest of technology that will then trickle down intoa production car. leo parente: jf. jf musial: yeah? leo parente: even though you'reon the couch, that doesn't mean you cannot talk. jf musial: sorry, i've beenactually trying to get updates from the track from ourguys, so i've been

going back and forth. leo parente: good someone shouldfigure out what's going on in the race. jf musial: actually, that'smy priority right now. and i was tweeting. leo parente: oh, forgod's sakes. leo parente: but that'simportant. jf musial: zarin and george aregoing to be checking in very shortly.

leo parente: did you send themover to charles morgan yet? jf musial: not yet, no. i'm going to be. leo parente: just a reminder. leo parente: sorry, i didn'tmean to cut you off on that. mike spinelli: cut him off. leo parente: cut him off. again, i've fallenoff the grid. josh, did you ever find thosephotos that i sent?

josh: it's a little hardto produce, and also gather the photos. if you go to a break again,i'll get on it. leo parente: yeah, no problem. josh: or when ian gets here,i'll have him do it. leo parente: that's cool. yeah, because i sent youlinks, i'm sorry. was that wrong? josh: well, it would have beenhelpful if you had finished

the whole part of it,and just given me pictures, but no big deal. leo parente: that's the way ialways do it for shakedown, and no one ever bitchedbefore. josh: it's ok. oh, really? josh: i've been herefor four days. leo parente: you sound likea girlfriend a mine. oh, it's ok.

josh: i've been awake for fourdays, so let me bitch. leo parente: i'm leaving you. by the way, notice i mentionednot my wife. my wife is a god damn saint. josh: god dammit. leo parente: god damn it. alex roy: i mean, you know,looking back at, i watched le mans with steve mcqueenlast week. alex roy: and if you watch thatmovie, it seems pretty

clear there are only fourcars in the race. stock porsche 911s, a lola,ferrari, porsche. lmp1. leo parente: uh-huh. alex roy: it's true. it is true. so why is it that, i mean,i look at, how many entrants are there? leo parente: 55 plus,56 with delta.

how many classes are there? leo parente: four. five with delta. four. alex roy: it doesn't seemlike a lot of entries. leo parente: they limit it. but go ahead. alex roy: it seems to me thatthey should, you have to keep the lmp class.

but the lower classes, that theyshould make it possible, easier for teams to enterat the lower levels. mike spinelli: well, thisbrings in a question leo parente: i havea comment later. mike spinelli: well, you think,what are the odds you'll ever see a privateteam win le mans again? jf musial: that'sa good question. alex roy: i thinkthe odds are-- jf musial: zero.

alex roy: zero at this point. leo parente: i'm going toget half this wrong. i agree with you, but even inthe 2014 rule, they made some type of energy availabilityconcession for the privateer teams to give them a shot. but how do you ever, ever, evercompete with these big budgets, these big engineeringmonoliths? and now we're doing it underpushed new technology. i think that a privateer tiercould probably have a shot,

but it's going to be a defaultwhen the giant stumbles. mike spinelli: you would have tohave a privateer team that, the only one thing that makes itprivate is that it's not a manufacturer. it would be a company likea gigantic video game or technology company, thatwanted to win le man. leo parente: like red bull. mike spinelli: or race,like red bull, right. or like sony.

leo parente: but here's me,whatever, thinking out loud. first of all, the classes areprobably a good thing to have because if the question wasoverall, we just covered that. but a privateer could show up,and does show up in p2 to win that class. a privateer, af corse isreally a private team. they're competing against thefactory corvettes and aston. and an f1, red bull, reallyis not a manufacturer. and they've kind of establishedthemselves, but

how do they get wherethey got? they finally signed anagreement with the manufacturer, rano, toget the latest tech. so at the end of the game, iknow there's been a lot of talk about what racing shouldand should not be. it needs manufacturerinvolvement, and that's just the way the game hasalways been. mike spinelli: by the way, doyou know audi's budget per year in le mans?

that was a question, bythe way, in the chat. leo parente: f1 levels,at least. mike spinelli: so we're talking$200 million plus. $300 million. leo parente: i'd be shockedif it isn't. jf musial: do we want charlesto call in, or do we want to get a-- leo parente: it was your guys. he was comfortable to either--

jf musial: let's gethim to call. you wanna text him and-- josh: and anyone who, justa suggestion, because the speakerphone is only so goodon that telephone we have from the 1980s. whoever wants, really, needs totalk to charles should sit right by the phone. i'm sorry that we can'tget it all-- alex roy: it's all good.

leo parente: no, that's fine. but here's the challenge. excuse me people, ifyou're seeing this. here. you text him. whatever information heneeds to call in. mike spinelli: by the way,i overstated the budget. leo parente: again? mike spinelli: no, no, no. $200million to $300 million

is not like, per year budget. it would be more like70-100, right? i mean, a one year bigformula 1 budget. red bull sized, you know. 50-100. leo parente: you know, i'd askall you european chatters what you think, but i would-- mike spinelli: but thenyou would have to do the currency exchange.

leo parente: stop. i would be shocked if ferrariand red bull and mclaren aren't blowing numberslike that. toyota was hundreds ofmillions of dollars. mike spinelli: toyotablew $475 million. leo parente: no, they blew abillion over their seven, eight years. mike spinelli: over five-- sorry, i'm giving you thefive year number.

alex roy: i shouldn't have toldyou that [inaudible] have a business degree. that was a bad ideabefore it started. leo parente: well, that'sa different discussion, but i hear you. mike spinelli: by the way, f1is not $500 million a year. leo parente: no one said that. mike spinelli: no, no. sorry, mclaren3054.

sorry, dude. that might be in-- leo parente: you know, thethings that go on in your head, sometimes you cansay them out loud. mike spinelli: well i-- no, i'm, i'm-- alex roy: i know. forget it. leo parente: but no.

the things that goon in your head? we don't want to hear it. mike spinelli: i'm justgiving you the-- leo parente: you werereading something. i didn't know that mike spinelli: that's ok. i wanted to throw out thecontroversial comment before-- this is [inaudible] tv.

mike spinelli: allright, that's it. you guys can continue. i'm putting my headphones in. leo parente: spinelli,i'm kidding. mike spinelli: no, it'scool, it's cool. alex roy: the commenters thatwe have are so awesome. it really is amazing. they just answer every questionbefore we can talk our way around not knowing.

leo parente: well,that's good. alex roy: for example. alex roy: oh, wait. an audi is off? yes, there is. who is he? number two? jf musial: number two is inthe garage right now. leo parente: pardon me?

jf musial: it's the e-tron. yep. it's mcnish, kristensen,capello. it's actually tom is inthe car right now. it would be interesting to maybecut to an interview we had with him. he had some very key points. the guy who's won le man moresothan anyone else. 47, josh really describes thekeys to winning at le man, and

how it's an overall package, andhas nothing to do with-- mike spinelli: driving. jf musial: well, it hasnothing to do-- it's no one element. it's luck, driving,technology. alex roy: relations arethe same way, jf. did you know that? jf musial: thank you, alex. ok, we're going to cut to tomkristensen right now.

the keys to winningat le mans. number 47, josh. andre lotterer: but mostly wetry to play with the traffic, and also, if you lift earlier,you will consume less fuel, so there's no point going flatout on the corner. so it's better to lift earlier,get momentum, and then pass them onthe straight. and so you try to optimize eachtime you see a car in front of you, to lift offearlier, and try to time it

well that you don't lose time,and don't waste any uselessly. jf musial: sorry about that,that was lotterer. my screw up on that one. leo parente: so here's what ithink's going on with audi. the two car is going backout, but they look at-- i'm sorry, the two cars isstill back in there. they looked at the rearsuspension, and then the ultra went to the garage withthe rear suspension. remember i mentioned this newcar has a new pull rod rear

suspension, like the red bull,and all the f1 cars. they're talking about avibration in the back of the car, and that's what they'rekind of searching out. maybe, hopefully this newdesign is not suddenly manifesting a flaw. josh: that was very cool. a little technology display. what we were seeing on speedoutside the car, and what was on the screen right behind youguy was perfectly in sync down

to the guy scrubbingthe windshield. alex roy: really cool. josh: and it was cool to seeit from both angles. leo parente: wasi blocking it? i hope not. josh: no, no, no. i was just pointing it out toour viewers, if anyone's watching both. pretty fast paced.

let's make some rules, alex. alex roy: we're goingto put a-- jf musial: when you havegarbage, the best place for it is not the ground. alex roy: i believe we're goingto be putting a camera behind the couch next year. jf musial: i should watchyou on my screen. i can watch you next to me, andi can watch you up there. you can't hide the fact thatyou just threw trash on the

ground on the set. alex roy: look behindthe couch right now. just look behind the couch. jf musial: alex! alex roy: well, you toldme i couldn't get up. i had a job to do. josh: what's back there? jf musial: just trash. he just throws trashback here.

please don't do that. if you want, just get p. alex roy: commenters, we wouldlike to know, i would like to know where you would like us toshoot this next year, other the track side. would you like itto be in a bar? at my house? or here in the drive office? leo parente: are we closingdown shop here already?

ok, then-- jf musial: we're coming to thelast 10 minutes of the hour. let's do a final recap, thenwe're gonna cut to a break. mike spinelli: here's a recap ofwhat we were talking about. because we were all over the mapwith the budgets, right? we were talking about specifically formula 1 budgets. it recently came out thatferrari spent nearly half a billion dollars inone year, right?

so it is in that hundreds ofmillions of dollars a year range annually. the big teams. mike spinelli: the big teams. leo parente: my guy says $200million to $300 million. mike spinelli: average. leo parente: the quoted numberfor toyota to come to le mans was $50 million. now, i'm assuming that that hassomething to do with their

wec ramp up. but even i think that number'slow because already, they've gone through twodesigns of car. jf musial: right. we've a porchse in the gravel,number five, was it-- mike spinelli: 75. jf musial: was it? mike spinelli: it's car 75. jf musial: good choice ofcurves, of all places.

alex roy: maybe that's whythey called it that. leo parente: well, if you'regonna park it, park it near home. jf musial: yeah, i guess so. leo parente: i don't knowwhat that means. alex roy: the suggestions forwhere we should shoot next year's coverage include-- alex roy: on the roof. in a bar.

my house. alex's house. from a le mans race. mike spinelli: but unanimously,your house. alex roy: yeah, my houseis very popular. leo parente: why's that? alex roy: we don't have enoughtaxidermy here to really make him feel right. alex roy: alonso's paid$40 million a year.

leo parente: oh, yeah. should we include the drives'salaries in those numbers? well, what is frankbiela or piero-- leo parente: not $40 million. alex roy: capella. alex roy: it's interesting, imean, maybe it's not that interesting, but mcnish hasprobably the most need recognition. maybe jacques villeneuvesdid when he did le mans.

but he was never rememberedas a le mans driver. he was always rememberedas a f1 driver. so if you're mcnish, is mcnishthe top paid driver in [inaudible] racing? mike spinelli: helives in monaco. leo parente: they're not nickeland diming him, ok? i would imagine that audidrivers are well paid. i would imagine that-- alex roy: are these guy's,mcnish, i meant, is a full

time salaried audi guy. alex roy: what aboutthe other guys? biela, piero, capella. leo parente: i thinkthey're all on the audi factory payroll. i don't think there's any,there's no pay per view going on in a team likeaudi or toyota. alex roy: really? leo parente: there's no payper view going on with

corvette racing. the aston martin is a perfectexample of one car's pure factory, the othercar's amateur. that's the pay. but at these top levels, we'renot messing around. these are drivers thatare professions. mike spinelli: by the way, in gtpro, the ferarri's starting to walk away from thetop corvette. mike spinelli: yeah, it's up tofive 5 and 1/2 seconds gap.

leo parente: knowing what ithink i know, i wouldn't be at all surprised that corvetteis running a little bit of a pace right now. alex roy: corvette's inthe pit right now. jf musial: so george is going tobe calling in shortly, just a heads up. we're coming to the bottomof the hour. mike spinelli: topof the hour. jf musial: top of the hour.

alex roy: he's just veryimprecise when he's describing what time it is. mike spinelli: well, we'recoming up on the top of the hour here at k-o-c-k radio. jf musial: thankyou, manboobs. we were talking about thechanges to the track. jf musial: earlier. we had another interview withpatrick long, talking about the differences of what he seesand how the pavement has

really made a challenge. leo parente: we ran themcnish one, right? jf musial: yeah, we ranthe mcnish run. leo parente: so let'srun patrick, yeah. jf musial: it wouldbe good to run the patrick side of the story. patrick long, the flying lizardmotorsports, the number 80, which is they werein the garage before. looked like an axle issueor a gear box issue.

back of the car was upon jacks, and they were looking at it. so we'll cut to that. we'll finish out the hour,and then we'll pick up with george. and we'll see how it's going. we're also going to getsomething from charles morgan very shortly, if hegets back to me. leo parente: by the way, allthose videos, we've got a ton.

we need to plow throughthem before-- jf musial: i know, we've got 47videos we need to round up. hours' worth of content. leo parente: and by the way,they were good comments. so i'm teasing, butwe'll show them. speaking of great comments,fernando's paid more than you, do you understand the message? thanks. mike spinelli: no, that,he was talking

about massa, right? leo parente: that'll be thenext radio broadcast, ok? you're doing well. fernando gets more money, youdecide what to do next. man, there's a lot of pushingon cars around here. jf musial: 23, check your-- check-- josh: oh, sorry. sorry about that.

we're going to cut to patricklong, who is, again, with flying lizard motorsport, andhe's going to speak a little bit about the changes to the lesarthe circuit, and how it is a challenge forthe drivers. waiting for josh, see ifhe gets pulled up. we had mcnish say some words. ok, we're gonna cut topatrick long now. in the pit lane at le mans. just wanna make sureit's good to go.

and while we're waiting, thetwo pescarolo are back actually on track. the dome is being worked on inthe garage, and the pescorolo aston martin is goingback out. patrick long: yeah, certainly asthe track rubbers in, a lot more pace comes out of theracetrack, but a lot of the sections have been repaved,even for this year. ever year, the track gets alittle bit faster, a little bit smoother.

and for me, it's indifferent. it's the same for everybody. you've gotta tune the car to thetrack in the conditions. so far we've had good weather,so that's the most varied condition of thelast few years. so with good, clean weather,we'll just keep working on the car, and see where we'reat for tomorrow. leo parente: so the screenfroze, we were trying to-- alex roy: welcome b to the 25hours of the 24 hours of le

mans here at drive. i'm alex roy, and themost interesting man in motorsports coverage. my people say stay thirsty,my friends, they mean leo parente. we have mike spinelli here, whois listening to the latest album from creed. alex roy: and jf musial-- [singing]

jf musial: wait, wait, let'shear the insult. alex roy: 1,000 [inaudible]. alex roy: i know you were justabout to discuss the enormous chunk of rubber that waspulled out of the rear suspension of the audi. leo parente: that's like doingthe punch line to the joke, then telling me to tellthe joke but yes. so there were two audis thathad a problem with the rear suspension.

they were feeling somethingunstable. the e-tron quatro wentin the garage. it's not the pullrod new design. it literally are these hugerubber clags, as one of those guys on the tv calls it, thatjammed itself into the pull rod suspension to stopit from moving. so all the rubber that's comingoff all these tires is finding its way into therace cars, and that was the audi problem.

jf musial: that makes for a potentially dangerous situation. you unsettle the car, and thatpiece moves, and just locks something up? leo parente: and that, iguess, what happened. the reality was it was lockingup the rear suspension. the suspension was not moving. jf musial: wouldn't allowit to travel. mike spinelli: uh-oh.

dumb question from alexroy of the day, which is a new segment. why aren't there, say, runflat tires in le mans? leo parente: because they,because of weight, number one. and actually, don't hold me onthe number, but the rules say the tire and wheel combinationhas to weigh only a certain amount of poundage, weight. and number two, there are tirepressure monitors that allow them to anticipate.

lotterer, at the endof last year. jf musial: actually, that'sa great segment. lotterer, end of last year. leo parente: short,not stupid. jf musial: i know, i know. on the final laps, actuallyhad of slow puncture. and peugeot was only15 seconds behind them for the win. and they all knew that thepuncture was coming, and they

were anticipating it, and theywere telling him how to drive the car over the radio, basedoff the puncture. what's up? leo parente: so alex, to yourpoint, the teams, the racing is taking the risk of thecatastrophic failure. and when we've seen these tiresblow up, explode, is because it's been somethingthat has been designed improperly, and failed. but other than that, the tiremonitor allows the management

of that, and that's whathappened with lotterer. and the video, hopefullywe're gonna see soon. jf musial: yeah, we're gonna-- alex roy: we have afire in the pit. what's going on here? well, i guess we'll comeback to that-- jf musial: so lotterer, backto the lotterer story. he felt it, the telemetryshowed it, but it was a slow puncture.

and they knew that they had totime it perfectly for the end and it was actuallya hot finish. usually le mans, because thegaps are so big, they'll finish it cold. leo parente: hot temperature? so they'll cool down on the lastlap, and pull right in. leo parente: oh, theparade type lap. but last year was so tight,the aco called it a hot final lap.

and they were full racing, andthey saw the puncture going down, and actually, we aninterview with lotterer talking about that experience ofknowing that that his tire was going flat, and therewas a peugeot 13 seconds behind him. alex roy: when are yougonna run that? jf musial: very shortly. alex roy: well, while you'rethinking about when you're gonna run that, we have a veryinteresting question that i

can't believe i didn't raisemyself, because as you know, i love endurance racing sims. and you know, so raceway,you played that a lot. a question was, what about thetwo graduates of the nissan gt race academy, the first evergraduates from video game champions to on track driver? mike spinelli: were youreading my bulletin? mike spinelli: because i justwrote that down as something to talk about.

and they're apparently, joardantesson and lucas ordonez are both here, and theyboth won the playstation 3 gran turismo competition,and went to the nissan gt academy. and looking this up, i seehere that lucas ordonez co-drove with kazunori yamauchiat the 24 hours of nurburgring this year. alex roy: no way. he was his co-driver.

and that's-- alex roy: i can't believe i havenot been following this story, because you'd thinkthat was my dream career. mike spinelli: well, lucasis the real deal. i've actually, i'vedriven with him. he put up with my driving. he was in the instructor's seatwhen i drove the nissan duke r in dubai. and then i did a fewhot laps with him.

he's good, he's really good. and he's a perfect examplethat aside from the just, typical skill of video gaming,that when you can filter that out, you start with that as afilter, an then you get to a guy that can actually do it withthe real g-forces, and in a car, on a real racetrackwith real grip-- alex roy: that's whensims become matter. mike spinelli: he's proof thatsims matter, because he is the real deal.

jf musial: we got the-- alex roy: this commercial that'srunning right now-- jf musial: hold on. we've got the lotterer interviewready to go. and this is andre lottererspeaking about the finish of last year's race, and how knewthat he had a tire puncture in the closing lap, andhow he was able to defeat the peugeot. josh?

andre lotterer: it was not toodifficult for me to keep the car within its pace. it was a more worrying factorthat the tire would explode, or something bad might happen. so i was trusting the team. they had the full overview onhow long i would have to stay out, and i'm sure they wouldnever take any unnecessary risks for me to stay out, andjust see what happens. they knew exactly, ok, wecan go until that point,

and then that's it. alex roy: we're back at at 25hours of the 24 hours of le mans here at drive,youtube.com/drive with leo parente, who i would describeas the alexander haig of motorsports coverage. leo parente: oh, my god. alex roy: [inaudible] whathappens, he's in charge of the situation. what are we doing here?

we're actually, remember, we'renot broadcasting the race here on drive. what we are doing is holding alittle viewing party and chat fest to share the experienceas we all watch the race on whatever's out there. tv, the internet. and we have-- mike spinelli: mike danquayle spinelli. leo parente: mike dan--

mike spinelli: dan quayle. leo parente: yeah, of all thedrive characters, which-- mike spinelli: t-o-m-a-t-o-e.tomato. alex roy: and jf joe biden,the boss of the drive channel project. leo parente: josh vitza isbehind the control room desk, kind of managing allthe technology. hey! mike spinelli: wow, josh cam.

leo parente: we have jf,i'm gonna give you the shot at the names. we have two of our partnersto drive. jf musial: george acornand [inaudible]. leo parente: george jf musial: is george-- leo parente: acorn. jf musial: acorn, yeah. leo parente: and?

jf musial: zarren dubay. leo parente: dubay. jf musial: george is from-- mike spinelli: fortitude. jf musial: fortitude. the audi site. mike spinelli: and zarren isfrom speedsportlife.com. leo parente: and we've kind ofpiggy backed off their work, and they are at lemans for us.

they're sharing the videosthat you've been seeing. they're calling inwith reports. and we're going to have call-insfrom other racing professionals from le mans. jf musial: one of the thingsto keep in mind is that the feed behind you isfrom audi tv. you want to talk about that? that's actually veryimportant-- leo parente: no, yougive it a run.

jf musial: so if you're curiousas to what we're watching, we're watching onlive.lemans-tv.com as well as audi tv. the audi tv has an in-car shotfrom all the different audis. the telemetry is fantastic. very cool display. so that's where we're gettingour information. right now, we've got the numberone audi e-tron quattro up top, 50 laps down,running 52 seconds

ahead of number two-- the number seventoyota hybrid. in third, we've got the numbereight toyota hybrid. and the number three audi r18ultra is fourth, with romain dumas 1:01 behind the toyota. so we've got audi, toyota,toyota, audi right now in the front. in g-- alex roy: i could notbe more excited.

jf musial: it's very exciting. so i think toyota reallyhas the pace. leo parente: what's so funny ismy feed kind of refreshes differently. so what's happening is the pitstop cycling is making these cars move among themselves,and there's no way to distinguish that this is not aheads-up fight between audi and toyota. as i called it earlier, it'sthe most sexy p1 race ever.

t&a, get it? jf musial: i got it, yeah. toyota and audi. leo parente: it wasn't funny thefirst time, wasn't funny the second. and then in gt, we've got whatis always happening in gt, the mega battle betweenthose marks-- ferrari, corvette, astonmartin, and porsche is lurking, let's say.

jf musial: let's lookat gt right now. in the top of the gt class isthe af corse 458 italia-- alex roy: why do you snicker? leo parente: no, the "italia"name for the italian car. no kidding. jf musial: --one minute aheadof the number 74 corvette c6 01, with aston martinin third. aston martin was leadingthe battle initially-- very close battle.

alex roy: i gotta tell you, i'ma little offended by the use of the word "italia" forthat car, because it's like calling the shady corvette"usa." you know? leo parente: or like a pontiacbonneville, chevy biscayne-- leo parente: --malibu. alex roy: no, i don'tmean the model-- alex roy: well yes, i do. alex roy: that's exactlywhat i mean. leo parente: jf, could youdo me a favor since

mine crashed again? what are the lap times that theporsche in gt are turning, the pro cars? jf musial: which porsche? leo parente: either one. pick one. the number 77, last lap was a4:01, 3 seconds behind the vantage and the zr1 corvette. leo parente: so as this isstarting to shake out, you've

got three cars that are carryingspeed, and you've got the porsche that's gottafind another way if they're going to win. you know, this is thelast issue of the 997 body for porsche. leo parente: however, i'veheard the race car is not going to be out until2014 season. we have an interview withpatrick actually referencing the 991 coming up next year.

so i don't know if we wantto pull that up? leo parente: it's your call. jf musial: yeah, i thinkit may be worthwhile. it's a quick clip, number 22,and we might as well run-- let's run 22, josh. let's just run 21, which ispatrick long on the challenges of the current generation997 porsche. really as you get to the end ofa lifecycle with any car, these are the things you'regoing to come to.

you can't really play with airrestrictors on these cars, when they're already tappedout for the maximum performance. corvette, aston martin havetwo years on them. this is the way racing goes. why are you laughing at me? leo parente: no, not onlydo i agree with you-- there's always room to dothings-- but at some point, with gt production-based racing,you hit the limit.

so let's cut to patrick longtalking about the 997's current reign. -yeah, personally it's achallenge to know that you don't have the latest equipmentfrom porsche. and our guys have done a huge,huge job at updating a car that debuted in 2007. but, ultimately, ferrari andcorvette have been bringing in clean sheets of paper tothe race track the last couple of years.

and it kind of has its ownchallenges in itself. so it's not to takeaway anything from what they've done. but it means that we've gottawork hard to bring out our next generation 991, whichwill be out next year. i'm really excited for that. jf musial: that was patrick longof flying lizard's number 80, discussing how the 997chassis for the 911 is kind of coming out of its generation.

they are hoping for the new 991to really improve their game, i think in thenext year or two. that being said, of courselizards, they had an aero package update for sebring. they're running the aero packageupdate for the alms. but here at le mans, the proguys are using that package, but the amateurswith seth and-- i don't want to call themamateurs, but the un-- leo parente: pro-am, they are.

jf musial: they areamateur class. they're running, i think, theold 997 platform without the aero package. it's the old 45 car that ranalms, and actually doing better than the new car. so somewhere things with thatnew aero package-- but that's the way this game goes. they don't have it dialedin, the new car. but the old car has plentyof track data

on this, on le sarthe. so that's the big-- alex roy: i have a question-- jf musial: yeah, what's up? alex roy: --for leo. what is the oldest race carthat won its class or that beat a newer versionof itself? leo parente: i would haveto look this up. but the easiest answer i couldgive you is john wyer's old

ford gts, which were racingagainst the current porsche 908's of the day. winning le mans, and actuallythe same chassis winning it back to back. and that was a car thatwas first built, designed, in 1963? and somewhere in the '70sit was winning le mans. alex roy: that's awesome. leo parente: i don't knowthat's the one,

but it comes to mind. alex roy: but it'sa great story. leo parente: jumping back to therecap, did i distract you? do we know what'shappening in p2? jf musial: p2. sorry, i'm just trying tocommunicate with the guys on the ground. p2, it looks like themorgan judd p1. leo parente: so all of thathonda nissan battle, here

comes the morgan car. jf musial: which isactually a bmw. leo parente: yeah,the judd engine. mike spinelli: it'snot the judd. the judd is pretty much-- did we miss the story of oneof the toyota's is out? jf musial: no, it's still-- leo parente: is that backto that whole pit stop-- jf musial: i think thatwas a three--

alex roy: number three? leo parente: --changing thing? jf musial: number three is-- alex roy: car number eight. sorry, car number eight. jf musial: still running fromlive timing and scoring. alex roy: why doesit say out here? jf musial: oh, that'sa driver swap. leo parente: driver is outand they're swapping

alex roy: oh, ok. leo parente: so the point thatcharles morgan made at sebring is, yes, that judd motor, whichwas really a bmw block, is the same bmw enginethat ends up in their morgan road cars. alex roy: i'm so glad tohear you say that. alex roy: because i'm entirelybiased towards morgan. i love them. now the deltawing is back fromwhatever gearbox issue and it

is back to running. lap times, 3:47 range. and i don't have the mostcurrent, but that's kind of where it is running right now. kind of the same pace as lmp cars, not as quick as it qualified in 3:42.6. but everyone is back off thatqualifying pace and are kind of getting into the race. so delta still remainson track.

proof of concept is provingitself out. mike spinelli: so leo, a coupleof things we should talk about at some point-- the braking zonesfor the hybrids. there are seven of themon the track. we'll talk about thatin a little bit. also, eventually rumors ofporsche coming to lmp1. mike spinelli: back to lmp1. leo parente: unless there'ssomething dramatic happening

that we should talk about in therace, why not cover one of those right now? mike spinelli: ok, you want totalk about porsche while i pull up the-- mike spinelli: well, i don'thave the graphic for here yet, of the zones. leo parente: yeah, and i haveit, but i gave him a link not an actual picture. mike spinelli: yeah, imean we could get--

i'll get it going. mike spinelli: just briefly, thehybrid rules from the acl and the fia. because to keep thecost down-- leo parente: you thinkthat's why it was, to keep the cost down? mike spinelli: well, that'swhat they're saying. they're saying that thereason why they're only allowed to use--

they're allowed to useregenerative braking, and then use the boost at seven pointson the racetrack. and usually it's aftera very long straight and into a chicane. so they use the last 50 metersto regenerate the electricity, and then the boost comesafter the chicane. mike spinelli: right? male voice: sorry, the le manswebsite i'm trying to pull that down from is takinga really long time--

leo parente: yeah, i'mhaving a problem. those links that i gave you,i've got one there for-- oh, i see what you're saying. male voice: it's on the le manssite, and i'm sure the le mans site is gettingsmashed right now. jf musial: deltawing currentlyrunning 50-- leo parente: just doa google search. it's around on a coupleof places. male voice: this isthe hybrid zones?

leo parente: hybrid zones. jf musial: --52nd right now. jf musial: delta hasdropped 20 places. i think we lost track of howlong they were in the garage. so mike, before we getcontentious with each other, the concept is to usethese 50 joules-- 500 kilojoules. leo parente: --500kilojoules-- leo parente: --100-plushorsepower, 200 according to

audi, coming out of sevencorners, down seven straightaways around le mans. and the obvious places,i think-- i don't have it in front ofme-- are the chicanes. you know, the-- mike spinelli: it's mainlyafter the chicanes. so it's on the mulsanne corner, after a very long straight. it's on the mulsanne, thechicane in the middle, which

is called something elsethat i don't remember. let me pull this up. leo parente: it's ok. mike spinelli: ok, so it's atdunlop chicane, ford corner. i'm going backwards. leo parente: you'regoing backwards. mike spinelli: dunlopchicane-- leo parente: tetra rouge? mike spinelli: yeah,first chicane.

second chicane offof the mulsanne. leo parente: so nottetra rouge. mike spinelli: sorry, not tetrarouge, but mulsanne, both of the chicanes. then it's on mulsanne corner. then at indianapolis corner,porsche corner, ford corner, and dunlop chicane. so these are the longeststraights into the tightest corners.

they're only allowed to generatethe electricity from the braking energy in thoseseven places on track. they're being monitoredby marshalls at those places, by telemetry. so the telemetry can tell themwhen these cars are using the braking energy. leo parente: so here'smy question. they designated what, 50 metersinto the brake zone? mike spinelli: 50 metersinto the brake zone.

leo parente: so is that the onlyarea they can start to recapture, or can kristensenlift off the gas before then, but be-- male voice: you wantto see that map? or [inaudible] leo parente: yeah, if you'vegot, the map that'd be great. but be dunce my question is-- male voice: there itis, covering jf. leo parente: [laughs]

ok, so there are thebrake zones. so the only time you're allowedto make this work is those 50 meters? mike spinelli: that's whatthe rules say, yeah. in other words, when he liftsin other places, it doesn't regenerate. that's what the rulesare saying. and now coming out of that,you've got seven places to apply 200 horsepower.

and again, as we were sayingbefore, the hybrid systems are different, the rulesare different. so in order to mitigate theadvantage that audi gets from having an all-wheel drive systemby putting the electric motor on the front wheels, theycan only use it after 75 miles an hour, or 120kilometers per hour. leo parente: oh, themap is gone. so was mulsanne hairpin oneone of those spots? mike spinelli: yes, mulsannecorner is one of the spots.

leo parente: and indianapolis,as you said. leo parente: so, to me-- i don't know the times, themiles per hour-- but those would be the two places wherethere'd be a bigger disparity between toyota and audi. coming out of the chicanes,i don't think they slow down enough. and that really is kind of aturn in and then power out. the porsche curves aredefinitely quicker than 120

kilometers. jf musial: it's our friend,kevin butler. leo parente: yeah, friend. male voice: he's everywhere,that guy. leo parente: he runs a greatoperational with trg. they race a lot of things. who's he with though? jf musial: that's whati'm very-- he's in the lizard's 10.

leo parente: oh,well that's ok. a lot of alms people wentover to check it out. so, he's basicallyhanging out. jf musial: figured as much. leo parente: yeah, whatever. male voice: i would just say,anybody who didn't get to really see the map, you justsearch "hybrid braking zones le mans," there's ahundred links-- jf musial: so google "hybridbraking zones", and you will

be able to see a mapof what's going on. leo parente: so mike, do youthink that there really is a difference between what thetoyota and the audi are going to try to do given theseseven brake zones and where they are? mike spinelli: well, we weretrying to think of different strategies because, don'tforget, a toyota has the motor on the rear axle, so it justgoes along with their other motive power, which is gas,or petrol, excuse me.

leo parente: oh. so the thing is though thatneither of them can use it as a push to pass. so it doesn't really affectdriver strategy that much, except that it's like having alittle bit more torque, and a little bit better accelerationsometimes. and it just sort ofhappens for them. leo parente: and i'mlistening to you. can you help us find--

jf musial: yeah, whatare you looking for? mike spinelli: so,and the upshot-- leo parente: a couple of theseguys are talking about how to drive the e-tron. mike spinelli: exactly, theupshot of this is that this is a first year rule forthese things. i don't think-- jf musial: 44, josh. mike spinelli: the way the rulesare set up, it doesn't

allow the best benefitsof the hybrid thing to show right now. alex roy: well, obviously. mike spinelli: right, exactly. alex roy: obviously. mike spinelli: i know, but it'smore like it's really just a testing thewaters thing. it's a proof of concept thingright now, the way they have it set up.

leo parente: i agree with you,and certainly the 2014 rules take it from 500 kilojoules to2 or 8 kilojoules in terms of hybrid application. mike spinelli: that'senergy, right. leo parente: energyapplication. mike spinelli: that'sthe unit of energy. and toyota was pissed off thisyear, because they had-- leo parente: whata grandstand. they were grandstanding.

mike spinelli: --a 1 megajoulesystem or-- leo parente: they weregrandstanding. mike spinelli: well, theysay-- yeah, they were grandstanding. mike spinelli: they said theyhad a 1 megajoule system-- leo parente: but the-- mike spinelli: but wait. wait. and that it was done in bypeugeot's lobbying--

jf musial: go ahead. leo parente: whether it's not asfully applied or a proof of concept, at the end of the daywe're going to find out, and i think we're seeing, that thishybrid technology combined with the normal production cartype technology is creating as much power, performance,using less energy. so isn't that a good thing? i know everyone-- mike spinelli: of courseit's good.

leo parente: --keeps gettingdistracted with, oh, i want a real race car with v-bazillioncylinders, and making a lot of rude noise, and that's theway racing needs to be. but if you can get the samespeed and performance and use less energy-- mike spinelli: that's whythey're using it. leo parente: --why wouldn'twe do this? mike spinelli: you wouldn'tsee it if they weren't getting it.

jf musial: so tom kristensen,mr. le mans-- alex roy: who had alittle accident. mike spinelli: yeah, let'sget to the ferrari. jf musial: before i run offinto the kitty litter-- they're pulling it out-- but tomkristensen talking about the ways and habits of drivingthe e-tron, and how you have to drive the car a littlebit differently. so, josh, number 44. tom kristensen on drivingthe new audi e-tron.

-i'd say it's not completelydifferent to drive. of course there's a differencebetween the hybrid and the ultras as we said. but 95% percent of the car,maybe even more, is new. but it's in detail, becauseobviously the first look at them-- look, it's an audi r18. -but everything is optimized,even the small little things like this-- the fins, the areaaround the air intake.

and the air intake in itself,its arranging, is of course smaller from the regulation. we got a square what we neededon all the the wheels from regulation as well. but everything, all the rest,is also optimized and new for this year. -but in driving, itjust feels better. any car i jump in, like in anaudi, with a certain time in between, it always getsa little bit better.

you can push a little bitmore on the limits. and the way it felt on the testday, it's certainly the best-cornering audithat i ever drove. and that's the same forboth the ultra and for the e-tron quattro. jf musial: tom kristensen rightthere talking about the driving styles ofthe audi e-tron. he's not in the car-- actuallyhe is in the car right now coming to the start/finishline.

leo parente: i wish ithad the gas brake. jf musial: i wish that too. so if you want to follow alongon the in-car footage, go to audi.tv and you will be ableto actually see the onboard telemetry speed, rpm, as wellis how the flywheel system, e-tron, is actually working-- currently going to thedunlop bridge. again, you're watching the 25hours of the 24 hours of le mans here on thedrive network.

joined today by leo parente,alex roy, and mike spinelli. if you want to watch along withus, there are plenty of feeds around the world. speed, here in the us, isactually covering it. we are here in new york, in our studios, midtown manhattan. we've got two guys on theground, including george and zerin from speed-sport-lifeand fortitude.com. leo parente: and later inthe 24, the other drive

characters, and [inaudible] jf musial: yes, of course. leo parente: --calling in. jf musial: we've got mike musto,matt farah, as well as chris harris, chiming in lateron today, as well as sean heckman into the night shift. so at this point we'recoming to the middle part of the hour. so we're going tocut to a break.

this is drive-- alex roy: we're cuttingto the break? jf musial: yes, the producerjust said cut to the break. so we have-- jf musial: to cut to-- leo parente: oh, we're havinga programming debate? alex roy: i have a great newtopic for discussion. jf musial: well, we'lldo it after. leo parente: after the break.

jf musial: so, you're watching25 hours of the 24 hours of le mans right here on drive. no, we're not [inaudible] we should do the buffer in. male voice: our introis broken. while intro is broken-- you like how i always askmy questions of leo? you like that? leo parente: youdon't have to.

it can be for the group. alex roy: leo, let's go backin time to experimental technologies in racing. and not necessarilyle mans, but in formula 1 you have curse. male voice: curse? leo parente: whatever. i think he's the-- alex roy: when people upset you,you put a curse on them.

leo parente: --finnishdriver that replaced kimmy when he retired-- curse. alex roy: --back when the sixwheel terel came out, and you had the fan car, now there wasa brief flicker of ingenuity and flair of thesetwo wild designs. was there a real possibilitythat the fan car, implemented correctly, could have been somuch better that everyone would have had to duplicatedit in order to keep up?

and yet that never happened. leo parente: what do you mean? because they outlawed it. alex roy: right, forever. there's no fan cars eventoday, in any form of motorsports. leo parente: right, they foundanother way to create down force and ground effects. alex roy: so there's no way thefan car ever could have

been implemented? leo parente: no, the rules haveeliminated that type of movable, aerodynamic device,auxiliary scenario. so at le mans, if theselimitations on regeneration zones were lifted-- leo parente: and it sounds likethey are going to do that by the way. how much of an advantage will itgive to the teams that have the experience implementingthese systems?

leo parente: i think experienceis always an advantage, number one. number two, i'm sorryi got distracted-- alex roy: because they justcould have created a separate class for cars, you know,with and without hybrid. and they didn't. leo parente: i'm notso sure of that. i think that there's still goingto be the opportunity to run traditional power.

you may be right though thatthe 2014 rules say that-- matter of fact the 2014 rules dosay, every p1 car has to be a hybrid, has to be advancedtechnology. so that encourages the factorydevelopment, even though they've created a privateercomponent, or clause, to the rules. they're trying to control thespeed of these cars by-- alex roy: the top speed? leo parente: any speed.

any speed of it. any performance of it. they're trying to control it bythe amount of energy you'll be allowed-- alex roy: to deploy. leo parente: --yes, to deploy,whether it's the kilojoules or the fossil fuels intothe engine. alex roy: you know whati'm going to say. i'm totally opposed tosuch restrictions, or

rules of any kind. leo parente: there's a hugeschool of thought that says le mans and places like indy 500should go back to what they were-- a testing ground for new technology in the auto industry. open the rule book. leo parente: give someone just asilhouette of, you've got to have a vehicle thatfills this space. that's the maximum, that's theminimum, knock yourself out.

alex roy: because then the carsend up looking the same-- leo parente: europe-- alex roy: --and youhave nascar. leo parente: well,we're not there. alex roy: no, but in thecontinuum of racing, there's nascar over here, and there'swhat we love over here. leo parente: so here'sthe offset. which sim has thered bull x car? alex roy: i don't evenknow what that is.

leo parente: didn't adrian neweydesign the ultimate car, and put it in one of the sims? i thought it was maybegrand turismo. alex roy: it was not-- leo parente: guys,help me out. jf musial: sorry,what was that? alex roy: --not forza. leo parente: who was the redbull ultimate race car that they designed for the sim?

remember adrian-- jf musial: grand turismo. leo parente: grand turismo. leo parente: ok, and-- alex roy: did you everdrive that car? jf musial: no, i nevergot to it. mike spinelli: x-11? what was it called? leo parente: and he's donetwo versions of it--

mike spinelli: --oh, x-2011 leo parente: --andit's exactly what you're talking about. it's that if there wereno rules, what type of car could you build. alex roy: i'm looking it up. leo parente: and it'sphenomenally fast, and i thought the sim discussion was,we're pulling so many gs that humans are getting at theedge of being able to drive

mike spinelli: their eyeballsare popping. literally, if were at-- alex roy: oh, isit this thing? alex roy: oh my god. leo parente: so there'syour answer. alex roy: everyone shouldimmediately google it. leo parente: you didn'tknow about this? mike spinelli: wait,is that it? leo parente: it's been aroundfor a couple years.

mike spinelli: i guessthat's it. alex roy: how did i neversee this thing? leo parente: i don't know. you're the sim guy. alex roy: everyone who isignorant like i am, who hasn't seen the new x-11, googlered bull x-2011. mike spinelli: x-2011. leo parente: and if youlook at it, it's got a fan on the back.

it's got the most exotictechnology in aerodynamics and mechanical suspension. i don't know what engine they'rerunning, some light saber for god's sakes. and that's the answer to yourquestion. if there were no rules, what would i do. and adrian newey, of all people,answered the question for grand turismo. alex roy: i can't believe ihave not heard of this.

leo parente: i can't believeyou haven't driven it. alex roy: fascinating. jf musial: so we're coming tothe bottom half of the hour here on the 25 hours of the24 hours of le mans. that's the name. i'm going to get tired of sayingthat in three hours. leo parente: you canjust shorten it up. alex roy: i'll say it. leo parente: we needan abbreviation--

2-5-2-4. mike spinelli: man. jf musial: 2-5-2-4. whatever, ok. just to recap what's going onacross the board, if you want to watch along with us, go to live.lemans-tv.com for the acl feed. you've got live timing thereas well at this point. at the top, p1, we've got thenumber one audi e-tron quattro

running approximately 1:50 aheadof the toyota hybrid, with lamy behind the wheelof the number eight. the audi r18 ultra, thenon-hybrid, romain dumas, is running p3. leo parente: and by the way,proof of how serious audi took the toyotas, they enteredfour cars, two normal cars just in case. mike spinelli: but right nowwe're audi, toyota, audi, toyota, audi.

audi, toyota, audi, toyota,audi right now. jf musial: pretty cool. so as the number one and numbertwo e-trons come into the pits, they're going togo for a tire change-- male voice: leo, lookat both screens now. oh, that one's frozen. i could see this guydoing this-- leo parente: oh, i seewhat you're saying. male voice: --on both screensat the same time, which is

very unusual. leo parente: by the way,both e-trons are in at the same time. they're not changingstrategies. they're running these cars-- jf musial: they havea game plan. they totally have a game plan. again, if you want to watchalong on the audi feed that just crapped out becausethey're probably

in the pits, audi.tv. josh, yeah, it's justgoing on like that. leo parente: by the way,we may have a toyota taking the lead here. jf musial: maybethe first time. actually you are right. they're coming up, let'ssee how fast. it's gonna be tight. so that was a--

jf musial: --they'reputting fuel in. they put fuel in first, got thefuel out, and they're in the tire change now. we have an ultra inafter the hybrid, right behind the hybrid. so this is the numberone pulling out. and he-- jf musial: and thetoyota making-- jf musial: --an apron pass.

they're really trying toget some speed on-- they're trying to closethe gap to the audis in the dunlop curves. leo parente: so audi retains-- jf musial: --on cole tires. cole tires right now. oh, well colvitch-- ohhh. jf musial: which one is that?

is that the-- mike spinelli: whichaston is that? leo parente: no, it'sthe amateur car, 99. jf musial: amateuraston martin-- mike spinelli: oh,that's a shame. jf musial: --is in the graveltrap looks at in the porsche curves at this point. josh, i know we have to cutto a break very shortly. leo parente: yeah, butthe good news is--

leo parente: --the amateur checkcleared, so the pro car can still drive. male voice: we'll try. jf musial: we'll try, ok. jf musial: oooh, that's a hardhit by the aston martin. it's the number 99. lost its rear wings,some damage there. the number two audie-tron quattro-- leo parente: by the way,do we like the

graphics of these audis? jf musial: --number four-- yeah, sure. audi has always hadgreat branding. i have no qualms-- alex roy: audi should be allsilver, end of story. that's the audi color. why mess with success? mike spinelli: what are you--

jf musial: the toyotas-- mike spinelli: --the autounion or something? jf musial: --look awesome. i don't care what anyone says,the toyotas look [inaudible]. leo parente: what do youlike about the toyota? what makes it so awesome? jf musial: i think the paintscheme, it looks evil. i like-- it looks evil. leo parente: i like thoseair inlets right

next to the f1 nose. jf musial: going down themulsanne straight, coming up on a-- leo parente: see how the endplates are canted in? jf musial: --p2 car. jf musial: yeah, the endplates do tilt in. i think that's veryinteresting. you can see they're pushing. they're pushing hard.

leo parente: thatcar is wiggling. jf musial: yeah, inoticed that-- leo parente: that caris moving around. jf musial: --on exit of thefirst chicane on the mulsanne straight, a little wiggleon the end. but they're pushing it. this car's a badass. alex roy: now why isthe tail, the-- leo parente: the vertical.

alex roy: --the vertical,why can they not use that, say, as a rudder? jf musial: that's an interestingquestion. alex roy: it lookslike a rudder. why don't you just put a 727tail on that thing, and then-- who designed the mclaren f1? what's his name? jf musial: gordon. mike spinelli: gordon--

alex roy: gordan murray. mike spinelli: --gordanmurray, yeah. alex roy: gordan murray said inan interview that if he was designing a can am car, it wouldbe basically a plane on the edge of liftingoff that doesn't. alex roy: and that'sall it would be. and so it would have an enormousvertical rudder. and why is that not articulatedat the very back? mike spinelli: because--

alex roy: it's banned. mike spinelli: well, youcan't have active aero. first of all-- alex roy: i see. mike spinelli: --you can'trudder any air. alex roy: is active aero though defined as affected by-- mike spinelli: anything thedriver can control-- leo parente: you cannothave movable--

mike spinelli: --or moving alex roy: moving surfaces. leo parente: you cannothave movable surfaces. jf musial: we're coming to thebottom half of the hour. we are at the bottomhalf of the hour. we're going to cut to a shortcommercial break for production technical needs. leo parente: is thatwhat we're calling going to the bathroom?

[tire changing noises] jf musial: welcome back. this is the 25 hours of the24 hours of le mans. right now we're looking on boardwith the number three, audi ultra, this is romain dumascoming out of arnage, heading towards theporsche curves. i love this onboard telemetry. it's freaking cool, very cool. the speeds they're makingthrough here--

mcnish made a comment on howthese are real man's corners at le mans. and except for the hairpins, younotice there's really not a big differential in speedwhen you go through the straightaway through someof these corners. jf musial: yeah, i know. leo parente: and look,fifth gear. jf musial: yeah, fifthgear right now. it's like a sebastianvettel quote-- it

takes balls, big balls. awesome. leo parente: andthat, i guess-- jf musial: woah! i don't know what justhappened there. oh, he's going to thepits, that's why. if you want to watchon board with the audi team, go to audi.tv. you're going to beable to find any

footage like this, telemetry. really cool technologycoming to le mans. i think that the coverage ofthis race is getting bigger. it's getting better. and i think that le mans peopleare really taking serious the distributionof this race series. leo parente: distributionis huge. i think that they could use ourhelp in terms of getting deeper into the details.

i mean the timing and scoringofficial really doesn't capture the depth of some ofthe little information you could find. how we're working-- jf musial: so cool watchingthem clean the-- look at how fast he moves. fucking crazy. leo parente: you're amazed byhow fast he cleans the window? and the comment saying i needto contain my orgasm--

jf musial: --i have a-- leo parente: i gotta tell you. more information would makethis even cooler. i'm not a data freak, but it'sjust good to see the differential. jf musial: i wish we hadthis for every car. jf musial: they make mandatorythat you must have a splitter yay high, yay wide. why not make it mandatorythat your data be

streamed to the web? all this data is comingoff every single one of these cars. it's going somewhere. leo parente: and the lemans.orgwebsite, in my mind, is too much workto find stuff. and look, i'm no race cardriver, but what i can talk about is distribution of dataduring live events. one thing that alex and i workedon for years through

the races cross country,the events that we were participating, was gettingdata out there as fast as possible, so the world canconsume and dictate what they wanted to know about. alex roy: leo, actual real raceexperience here, but you and i and the rest of the crew,we are just fans who try to make a job outof loving this. alex roy: and all we wantis to get maximum content in real time.

and we did that withthe grand am team. your grand am team at lagunaseca, first team ever to stream footage direct to theweb out of a race car. not through microwave, up to-- what we did was actuallyvery interesting. instead of taking the feed outof the car, bringing it to the trailer at the track, and thenbroadcasting from there, what we did was literally the racecar, the gt3 cup car that you had, had an internet connectionin it, and was

broadcasting via webcam anda hacked macbook pro. and this was five years ago. alex roy: sadly, five yearslater, we're watching le mans, same as you at home, throughsome streams that are not official, and becausespeed won't give us the full coverage. jf musial: we have aguest coming on. alex roy: who is it? mike spinelli: woah!

raphael orlove: hey, alex. raphael orlove: hey, man. raphael. alex roy: yeah, how you doing? mike spinelli: what's up, man. raphael orlove: mike. mike spinelli: goodchoice of shirt. raphael orlove: thank you. mike spinelli: sort of a--

leo parente: how are you? raphael orlove: someoneelse should look good, in addition to leo. mike spinelli: i just want topoint out to the portuguese knight who is commenting rightnow-- yes, we are reading, and so if you have an actualquestion, you can-- leo parente: oh, we'rereading the chats. mike spinelli: --ask it. i'm reading the chatsa little bit.

leo parente: yeah, we'repaying attention. mike spinelli: yeah, weare paying attention. and he sort of was confusedabout what this is. this is a le mans viewingparty with us. alex roy: except jf moved theparty this year by doing it in the office. jf musial: you had more funwithout me last year, when i was at the track? i have to tell you, this is somuch less stressful than being

at the track. alex roy: well, last year-- drinking alcohol, smokingcigarettes, and-- leo parente: wait,don't blame jf. don't blame jf. that's what happens when weelevate this to a real professional game with a realprofessional partner. alex roy: i had onegirlfriend there. i had my other girlfriendthere.

leo parente: oh, is that whatthey call them now? mike spinelli: youare french then. alex roy: --i took naps. it was like having a party wherewe watched the race. now, it's professional. leo parente: well-- leo parente: --i take exceptionto the fact that i really hope that everyone elseis not having as much fun as you're not having.

mike spinelli: no, and i takeexception with your-- leo parente: notinviting girls. mike spinelli: well, your notinviting your girls, but also the professionalism comment. i am as completelyunprofessional-- alex roy: now as youwere last year? mike spinelli: --as i can be. [alex and mike laugh] mike spinelli: sameas last year.

i don't understand whatyou're talking about. leo parente: also, he's gotgarbage on the floor. he's cleaning his hands[inaudible] mike spinelli: i have popcorn. we have this popcorn. you just can't see it. jf musial: are you throwingtrash behind there still? alex roy: listen, james hunt-- male voice: i don't know whatyou're talking about.

alex roy: --if james huntcovered car racing-- leo parente: this would be it. i think you're holding upjames hunt traditions. don't you think? alex roy: not enough. leo parente: not enough? mike spinelli: --where's josh? alex roy: i have to get anelectronic cigarette. leo parente: is it reallyall about smoking?

is that what you need? alex roy: i quit. leo parente: they bannedit from racing. alex roy: what, they weresmoking in race cars before? leo parente: no,they banned the advertising and the promotion. alex roy: oh, that's ok. jf musial: so just an updatefrom the track, 15 seconds between p1 and p2 audi e-tron.

the number one audi e-tronquattro is in the lead with the toyota number eight15 seconds behind. leo parente: but less than anhour ago, you said it was 50 seconds behind. jf musial: yeah, ok. well, it's changing it up. leo parente: no, so they'reclosing the gap. must admit that the aco andthe global feed is doing a fantastic job with these superslow motion, 200 frames per

second, actually first timewe've seen it at le mans. formula 1 has done it forquite some years. so if you want to follow alongwith us, of course, youtube.com/drive. leo parente: and again, we don'thave the rights and the budget to broadcast the race. i'm not sure that was evenavailable to us. so we're doing thenext best thing. we're watching it together,and sharing information.

and, as michael said earlier,we are reading your chats. if we're not coming up with theright topic, or you have a question, feel free to commentand help us too. we don't have to lead thislike a herd of cats. hey, i have-- jf musial: silenceover the room. leo parente: wasn'tthat amazing? leo parente: i havea question. alex roy: are youtalking to me?

leo parente: i actuallyhave a question, kind of a low tech question. what was the weight of the 917porsche lm cars versus the 900 kilos of the cars thatare running now? alex roy: i'll look for you. leo parente: were those cars-- mike spinelli: you'regoing to look? leo parente: --lighter orheavier, or the same? jf musial: so we have peoplewatching as far as

uruguay right now. i want to shout out to theworldwide audience that we have at this point. jf musial: about 600 peoplewatching at middle of the day in new york. it's coming up to 6:00 pm,7:00 pm at le mans. what time is it over there? yeah, it's about 6:45 atle mans right now. sunset at approximately threeand a half, four hours.

as we go into the night stages,we will be getting further updates. george and zerin are on theground with us shooting footage, and providingus interviews. alex, could you do usa favor and can you text charles morgan? he didn't answer my-- alex roy: i have no receptionon my phone right now. however, i have an answer to leoaround the weight of the

porsche 917. leo parente: yeah? alex roy: pounds or kilos? kilos. alex roy: 849. leo parente: so it was lighterthan the current cars. leo parente: pretty close, butlighter than the current cars. raphael orlove: 600 horses? alex roy: a lot of juice.

1,100 horses. that's the can am car. alex roy: oh, the 9-- leo parente: 917 k or lm. leo parente: sorry. we've got a lot of goodstuff in here. mike spinelli: snake in mypants says, 650 kilos. leo parente: for the 917? wow.

mike spinelli: eitherthat or he just wanted to say 650 kilos. leo parente: how dowe vet these guys? mike spinelli: i don'tknow, but we'll-- leo parente: that's too light. mike spinelli: that'sfairly light, yeah. jf musial: i'm being instructedto give you my macbook, because everyonehates that, and it's not working.

jf musial: no, wedon't have to. i'm just saying-- leo parente: well,what's that? leo parente: can i use that? jf musial: in a littlebit, yeah. leo parente: eventually? mike spinelli: whatjust happened? alex roy: there are many 917s,which one do you want? leo parente: i need a le manscar, like a 917 k or an lm.

mike spinelli: oh no,my whole computer-- leo parente: like 1970. what happened here? that's what happenswhen you use macs. leo parente: and can we runa [inaudible] maybe? male voice: a few minutes. mike spinelli: oh, look. we're back on feed. it's delicious.

alex roy: amazing. leo parente: it looksreally dark. it's like the playboy clubis going racing. alex roy: it's really sketchy. mike spinelli: this is likebackstage at some seedy club. leo parente: yeah, yeah, yeah. it's like-- alex roy: it looks so-- mike spinelli: --yeah,man we're going to go

on in like 5 minutes. rock! alex roy: and it looks like myhouse was more credible than this [inaudible]. mike spinelli: i know, thisis a little bit weird. but also there's your variousbeverages on the table. leo parente: i've seen catholicconfessionals that look more fun. mike spinelli: hey-ohhh.

alex roy: the best partof last year's shoot was my table-- leo parente: don't do that. alex roy: --my table waspacked with overflowing ashtrays, empty liquor bottles,a shirt and a shoe. mike spinelli: theshirt and a shoe. right, just one shoe,and a shirt. you know, this year we're inthe studio, and we haven't actually made the studio looklike anyone's house.

we could have that conceit,where we're-- leo parente: why do we want itto look like somebody's house? mike spinelli: well, that'swhat i'm saying. like we could create a conceitof, hey, we're hanging out at the house. leo parente: oh, conceitas in fake. mike spinelli: yeah,it's a fake. leo parente: like derek d doesa fast lane daily, where he looks like he's looking outover the hudson river.

mike spinelli: right, we couldhave put a green screen of like furniture and adog or something. alex roy: i have to confesssomething really bad. mike spinelli: go ahead. alex roy: i'm likean idiot savant without the savant part. i just realized that the lmdesignation means le mans. alex roy: all these years,i thought why-- mike spinelli: you thought itwas about the cigarettes?

alex roy: --do theycall that lm? mike spinelli: you thoughtit was l&m-- mike spinelli: --cigarettesdidn't you? alex roy: like the bbs lmwheels, i guess they're-- leo parente: you know what,i may be wrong? mike spinelli: wow. leo parente: it's thislh, long heck. raphael orlove: it is. mike spinelli: long heck.

raphael orlove: lang heck. alex roy: here we go. mike spinelli: raphael, fromjalopnik, chiming in with the le mans history. alex roy: listen, you'retalking about mr. orlove like that. mike spinelli: no, that soundedlike i was talking about him favorably, actually. alex roy: he's the man.

he's the man. mike spinelli: he is the man. he's coming out in a little bit,going to talk about le mans history with leo, becauseboth of them are quite the historians-- alex roy: well, because unlikethe rest of us-- mike spinelli: --a little bit. alex roy: --orlove-- leo parente: you can stay.

alex roy: --actuallyknows something. leo parente: please stay. raphael orlove: you'reflattering me. alex roy: or as they call himdowntown, "or-lo-vey." mike spinelli: "or-lo-vey." leo parente: yeah, my littlenetbook is a failure today. alex roy: you wantto borrow mine? mike spinelli: well,i just crashed, so i'm waiting for it--

leo parente: i'm happy livingin ignorance here. mike spinelli: this is like yourtime that you can go and get a beer, like i'mgoing to do. alex roy: you are? leo parente: yeah, we'renot stapled to the-- alex roy: how longis "or-lo-vey" going to be with us? raphael orlove: i just have todash out at 7:00 to have dinner with my grandmom.

alex roy: so you'll behere for many hours? raphael orlove: yeah, aslong as you'll have me. alex roy: sweet. mike spinelli: is therea bottle opener? alex roy: ok, leo-- wait, we can't-- leo parente: yes,i'm listening. alex roy: porsche 917-- leo parente: perfect,go ahead.

alex roy: 800 kilos-- leo parente: how much? alex roy: 800 kilos,580 horsepower. leo parente: 800 kilos? alex roy: 580 horsepower. so that's 100 kilos lessthan the cars now. and you said the horsepoweragain was? alex roy: 580. leo parente: 580, sosimilar horsepower.

jf musial: tape over the-- leo parente: and mcnish had madethe comment that even if you go like five yearsback, the cars were running 3:45 laps. you might challenge meto ask you what was a porsche 917 lap. that's not the samele mans track. and now they're running 3:23s. so the technology, even withthe extra weight, is making

the cars quicker. so, so much quicker. alex roy: i think it's gottabe in the braking. leo parente: tires, braking. i think there's the comfortand confidence level. alex roy: listen, if you'regoing to drink that beer, i'm telling you, move it awayfrom your laptop. mike spinelli: no,i'm going to. alex roy: i will spill thatbeer on your laptop.

i promise you. mike spinelli: i just needto disguise the brand. we don't do brands here. alex roy: if i'm in the room-- mike spinelli: oh, trust me-- alex roy: --always behindthe screen. mike spinelli: --trust me, i-- jf musial: and welcome tothe 25 hours of the 24 hours of le mans--

leo parente: drinking-- jf musial: --on drive. jf musial: and it is-- mike spinelli: i've gotmy blue label beer. jf musial: we're lookingat it right now. we are approaching 1 o'clock andthe first sip of beer has been taken by mike spinelli. mike spinelli: thankyou very much. leo parente: so herecomes the rule.

if we have a debate, and you'remaking a point, and you do not give a reason why tojustify your point of view, you have to take a drink. alex roy: well, then i'm goingto be wasted within minutes. leo parente: that's the point. mike spinelli: you mean ifyou just throw out bs-- leo parente: if you just throwout the platitude rule-- like, no, because!-- and there's no reason,you drink.

alex roy: i was going tosay that it should be-- if someone's had a drink, andsomeone else has not, whoever has not can at any moment putup their hand and stop them, whoever has been drinking. jf musial: we're coming tothe bottom of the hour-- alex roy: [inaudible] hour. jf musial: --i keepmessing that up. why am i thinking about-- jf musial: we're come intothe top of the hour.

nine minutes until one o'clockhere on the east coast. we're approaching 7:00 pm infrance, which means the sunset is on its way in approximatelyone and a half, two hours. want to know what's going on? alex roy: jf, tellthem the truth. this is the only le manscoverage where one of hosts will actually say, movethat beer, dude. leo parente: on air. jf musial: so

jf musial: if you want to followalong with us, make sure you join us in the chator on twitter at drive. at this point, we have theaudi in-car feed of the number two car. sorry, is this the two car? leo parente: can i ask themost naive question? jf musial: what's up? leo parente: they don'tgo to drive.com. jf musial: youtube.com/drive.

leo parente: that's allthe have to do? jf musial: that's allthey have to do. leo parente: perfect. so just go where younormally go. jf musial: we're on the frontpage of youtube.com, as well, right now. they're actually tweeted us. it's 13 million followers,i forgot, not 1.2. i don't know where i gotthat number from.

tom kristensen is on board. we're on board with tomkristensen right now. leo parente: hackingin a p2 car. jf musial: so right now, if youwant to see this feed, go to audi.tv. you'll get the in-car feedwith telemetry from audi wherever you are in the world. i apologize, if yourgermany, you're not watching us right now.

for some reason, we'rebanned in germany. same thing happened to fastlane daily, i guess three years ago, with ourmax mosely joke. for some reason, our feedis not germany. correct me if i'm wrongif anyone is in germany right now. don't ask why. we're also not in china, butwho cares about them? leo parente: i'm trying to thinkof what i said to piss

off the germans. jf musial: anyway. jf musial: we have two guys onthe ground, george and zarin, who will be providing updatescoming up in about 20 minutes from the track. seven minutes until oneo'clock eastern-- mike spinelli: (speaking as ifdrunk) and one of them was going to be on the groundpretty soon. jf musial: coming up in a fewhours we're going to have a

few different drive hostsjoining us, including mike musto of big muscle, matt farah,and chris harris will hopefully be calling us, as heis on a shoot and won't be able to skype in. leo parente: oh, he's working. oh. hey, if he can't callin, josh vietze can call in as chris harris. jf musial: he doeslook similar.

anyway, we have plentyof interviews we need to go through. mike spinelli: can wetalk about the-- alex roy: commenters,which are amazing? mike spinelli: tell youwhat, we can't-- yeah, what do you got? what do you wantto talk about? jf musial: why are we drinking, more is the question.

because it's one o'clock,and we've got-- mike spinelli: oh, come on. but let's talk about the actualrace that's going on for a second. mike spinelli: i think there'sa race going on somewhere in france. leo parente: oh, sarcasm. mike spinelli: no, sarcasm? leo parente: where is sarcasm?

is it next to le mans,or is it-- mike spinelli: it'ssar-cas-ma. leo parente: sar-cas-ma. mike spinelli: so it's theaudi e-tron quattro still leading the best lap, 329. toyota's got thenext two spots. one of them is in the pits. leo parente: so toyota'stwo and three? mike spinelli: toyota's two andthree, although one's in

the pits right now. and then the audi ultra, firstultra car comes in fourth, and fifth is the seconde-tron car. that's the tom kristensencar right now. leo parente: and that'sthe number two car that's back there? mike spinelli: yes leo parente: because they'rethe ones that had to pit to take the rubber clag outof the rear suspension.

mike spinelli: they had the clagin the suspension, which i didn't realize thatwas a word until-- mike spinelli: hobbs mayhave made it up. but no, it's a real word. hobbs made it apply to racing. leo parente: and where'srockenfeller's car? the audi. mike spinelli: rockenfeller'scar is-- jf musial: he's with romaindumont, right?

leo parente: i think so. mike spinelli: the secondultra's in sixth. leo parente: so the twocars that had a pit-- leo parente: the two cars thathad to pit to clean out the rear suspension are the onesthat are trailing back, giving the open door to the toyotas,but maybe the toyota's are earning it. mike spinelli: toyotas seem tobe earning it, although-- alex roy: maybe they're notgetting as much rubber in the

rear suspension. mike spinelli: i think they'rehanging back, too. leo parente: you thinkthey're hanging back? alex roy: you think they'retaking it easy? mike spinelli: i think they'rein the middle setting. i think they're notin the most robust hybrid boost setting. alex roy: you know how manywindows i'm going to smash in joy if toyota switch powersetting in about six hours?

break another pair of glasses. mike spinelli: it's going tolook like-- what was that race horse that? alex roy: racing stripes,the zebra mascot? leo parente: which toyotais in they're lead? mike spinelli: the leadingtoyota is car seven. leo parente: seven? lapierre and sebastianbuemi is the number eight car in third.

leo parente: and the eight caris davidson with buemi. they're not slouches, andwurz is with lapierre. alex roy: i'd like to addresssome of the commenters' questions, which we have notdone in some time, that are quite interesting. and of course, as usual,they come back to leo. they want to know, leo, what'sthe most interesting part of the track as a driver? leo parente: i would imaginethat the porsche curves are--

jf musial: intense? leo parente: we'lluse that word. i think you've got to payattention to the pace you're carrying through there,even with the gt cars. i think that would be areal, real challenge. but at the end of the day, ithink you've got to love going full chat down the mulsannestraightaways. that's got to be awesome. the way the chicanes are, you'vegot to slow and brake,

but it's not three corners. my understanding in watchingthe cars, you have to brake turn in, then you'reright back to gas. so you do lose a lotof rpm and a lot of speed, but you're flying. i think indianapolis and arnagecatch your attention. i know that on the sim, headingtoward dunlop always challenges me for some reason. but i'll go withporsche curves.

alex roy: all right, nowcreekerrys911 says i'm fat. we can move on. mike spinelli: doyou think so? leo parente: i don't answerrhetorical questions. alex roy: next question, a lotof people are asking how and why porsche would enter[inaudible] leo parente: well, mike wantedto talk about that, porsche entering p1. mike spinelli: well, i wantedto know, because you had

mentioned this on yourshow, shakedown. [cough] leo parente: plugplugplugplug mike spinelli: plugplugplugplug. hey, we come from radio. we know how to plugthese things. jf musial: that's right. leo parente: what was thecall letters, again? jf musial: kock radio.

we were-- mike spinelli: man boobsand the chimp. jf musial: every morning onkock radio in st. louis. leo parente: did you everestablish which one was which? mike spinelli: yeah, i was manboobs, he's the chimp. jf musial: i'm chimp. leo parente: you''re chimp? i would have gonethe other way. mike spinelli: oh, mygod, djkaufmana

says fat, but handsome. alex roy: oh, that's so sweet. leo parente: so, theporsche thing. alex roy: and to quoteman boobs, creetreads4 a thousand yeses. that the chorus ofthe second verse. leo parente: was is a sportscall-in show, or was it [inaudible] or music? what did you do?

mike spinelli: it was mostlyshock jock stuff. leo parente: shock jock stuff. mike spinelli: i haveto interrupt. we're going to go to a shortbreak with baretzky, the lead audi engineer for theengine development. he's going to be talking aboutthe toyota hybrid. so audi talking aboutthe competition. leo parente: oh, ithink he's good. i think he disses.

leo parente: i think hedoes, a little bit. mike spinelli: well, oneof our favorite guys ever to have on camera. josh, please, number six. leo parente: and then we'll comeback and talk porsche. interviewer: let's startwith [inaudible] both you and toyota have shownup with hybrids, although very different philosophiesin their design. could you explain a little bitwhy you chose to go the

direction you did, and how youmay see that as advantageous over your competitors? ullrich baretzky: to start with,i found it very funny to see toyota come with a systemthey don't sell, because they sell to the customer somethingcompletely different. the first, number one. and secondly, it's the physicsyou loo behind. when you look to supercapacitors, this allows you to absorb a lot of energy in a veryshort time, at very high

voltage levels, but you don'thave a lot of power, because just the voltage is high,not the current. we, on the other hand, we tryto make a combination of mechanical system, inertiasystem, which is speeding up, and so it can absorb a lotenergy and a lot of power in a very short time. and then, via rotation,transform it into voltage and to get it back at any time wewant to the wheels and to propulsion.

it gives us more freedom than,for example, as i understood the system for toyota to doit with super capacitors. and at much lower voltage,because it's also a question of safety. interviewer: what's yourthought on the drive? they went with real drive, sothey can use it at any time. you guys went with-- of course,there's the heritage of quattro, but you have tobe over 120 to use it. ullrich baretzky: there'sa reason why

audi is selling quattros. one of the reasons why we madethis front axle driven, not because we wanted tohave a quattro. we know this is a very goodsystem, and everyone who is buying an audi quattroknows that, doesn't have to discuss about. but there's one very essentialthing you have to know, when you make brake engine recovery,like we are using here, so you are recovering theenergy in breaking, then

you have to know that every car,whether it's a race car or road car, has a dynamic loadtransition to 60 to 70 percent on the load onthe front wheels when you are braking. so it means they're much, muchmore difficult to lock up than the rear wheels, because in thesame time, the rear wheels come up, the rear wheelsget light, so they get much easier to lock. or in the other way, you'relimiting the amount of energy

you can recover when you havea hybrid in the rear. it's quite simple physics. i don't know why they did itdifferent, but it's like that. mike spinelli: the youtubelivestream of le mans. so all you're going to get fromus is commentary, because we do not have the live feed. but that's a good thing, becauseyou can join along things like this, theaudi tv feed. audi.tv, you can go and--

hi, hawkes. rafael orlove: liquid downnext to his laptop? leo parente: no, it's popcorn. mike spinelli: if you want toknow what this is, this is the feed from inside the numberone audi e-tron. audi.tv, you can getthe telemetry, get the in-car camera. audi is going to be doing thisall day long, for the next 20 some odd hours.

from corvette. flying lizard has a radio. leo parente: has anyone checkedtoyota, if they're running a site. mike spinelli: i should have. leo parente: no, me neither. we know why you checkedaudi first, but i'm not going to go there. mike spinelli: this is leoparente, host of shakedown.

i'm jf musial. let's do the intro [inaudible] leo parente: everyonedo their own. mike spinelli: hi, jf. road testament, drive central,and jalopnik.com. multifaceted, that's me. mike spinelli: whatare you doing? mike spinelli: i'm eating apopcorn brand that shall not be named, because we can't,but it's delicious.

hi. rafael. mike spinelli: you'relooking at that-- leo parente: straight ahead. mike spinelli: so it's thatcamera right now. alex roy: i feel like i'mon the dating show. josh vietze: you don't have tolook at any particular camera. now you're on-- mike spinelli: now you'reon that camera.

see that? leo parente: see that monitor,right in front of you? that tells you whatthey're seeing. leo parente: someoneintroduce him. rafael orlove: so i'm rafaelorlove, i work for mike spinelli: that's how youpronounce your last name? or-luv? leo parente: what was that? rafael orlove: or-luv.

mike spinelli: oh, wow, youpronounce it the american way. rafael orlove: i'man american. mike spinelli: orlove--we're going to call him by last name. orlove over there, this pastweek was at a sebastian vettel press conference at the newjersey grand pris-- leo parente: you're goingto call him out? you're going to call him out? mike spinelli: successfullytried to ask a question in

german and was called out bysebastian vettel for having terrible german. rafael orlove: yeah, thatdidn't go very well. mike spinelli: thatwas awesome. mike spinelli: it was a great,great time, though. anyway, so right now-- rafael orlove: andi saw buemi-- mike spinelli: you saw buemi? mike spinelli: but thequestion was--

you got to say what the questionwas, because that's the funny part. mike spinelli: i thinkhe should. mike spinelli: whatwas the question? josh vietze: ask it in german. rafael orlove: ok, so rightbefore me, the people at rtl, from the german whatever paidnetwork it is, they go up and ask a question in german. it's some boring somethingabout we've had so many

winners in so many races,and what do you think is going to happen. he gives a standard answer. and someone asks him somequestion about the track. and so then i asked him ingerman, i say, [german] alex roy: [laughing] mike spinelli: alexunderstood it. rafael orlove: got this joke. and sebastian vettel takes amoment and he just goes,

(german accent) well, it isvery difficult to answer, because your germanis quite terrible. and the whole crowd laughs. alex roy: basically,the question was-- leo parente: thatdidn't help me. what did you ask him? rafael orlove: so i asked,there's so many pretty ladies in montreal, how do you manageto find time to race and not to be a playboy theentire time.

mike spinelli: justgo all james hunt. mike spinelli: because togo all james hunt, the translation into german, thegermans don't get that using a person's name as a verb. rafael orlove: i don't know. mike spinelli: it'slike, what? rafael orlove: but he'sa 24-year old double world champion. what would you do?

leo parente: well, he's theguy says his girlfriend doesn't come to therace, because-- rafael orlove: i didn'tsee her at all. leo parente: well,but you don't. he says, you don't bring yourgirlfriend to work. why should i? rafael orlove: that's true. he did say that. leo parente: i'm hereto do a job.

i love-- rafael orlove: he wasvery professional. leo parente: he's not. alex roy: only one job that'sok to say, it's porn. leo parente: he's clearly havingfun doing what he does. watching him at the new jerseypress conference, but he takes it seriously. he's committed to it. rafael orlove: so there we arein the pit garage, and--

mike spinelli: thisis montreal. rafael orlove: thisis in montreal. this is during qualifyingin montreal. and so they just said, we've got10 minute track time, very long stint. and so the two drivers arewaiting in their cars. mark webber, he's got the tvfeed, he's got all the telemetry, everything. people coming over.

he's got fans on him. and vettel is just sittingin the car, staring straightforward,doing nothing. he could have been there fordays, just totally focused. leo parente: it's theway it should be. rafael orlove: no,he was crazy. he was an odd guy. leo parente: let's do a littlebit of a recap here, as we're now into the race a goodnumber of hours.

and it's shaping up to bewhat everyone had hoped. clearly, it is a head-to-headbattle audi, i think, for the entirerace has kept p1. but little by little-- mike spinelli: i think there wasone part where they were in the pits. they had one lapof not being-- leo parente: one lap. jf musial: one lap.

leo parente: but the toyotashave crept their way up, and they're now stillp2 and three? and they've closed that gap fromalmost a minute back to maybe less than 15 seconds. jf musial: no, it'sactually 115, now. leo parente: 115? mike spinelli: and by the way,just to note that the toyotas have flip-flopped. number eight car isnow in second.

number seven car isnow in third. mike spinelli: blemy inthe number eight car. leo parente: so again, whatwe're seeing is the different realities of pit stop changes. there is a 73 literfuel capacity in the gas hybrid toyota. there's only a 58 liter fuelcapacity in e-tron diesel. and that affects how long theycan go on pit stops and some of that cycling.

but the lap timesare right there. there are times the toyota'squicker than the audis. and they're racing right nowfor a win, and you can legitimately say that. mike spinelli: theydid come to race. they came ready to race. a lot of this came fromtheir f1 program. the hybrid system, they'vebeen developing for a number of years.

it ran in 2007 successfullyin japan in a supra. leo parente: a different system,but the knowledge. mike spinelli: the knowledge. right, right, exactly. because this is a differentsystem, because denso is now doing the capacitor system. and all that technical stuffaside, they really brought it. they really brought it. leo parente: and it's funny.

i read that they were hopingthat this could be a first year trial, and they could hidebehind the audi versus peugeot competition. so props to toyota. when that went away, theystepped up their game. it gt, speaking of stepping upthe game, it is what we all knew was going to happen. ferrari versus corvetteversus aston martin. they're still in [inaudible]

matter of fact-- jf musial: it's kristensencoming out of the pits right now in the e-tron. leo parente: e-tron, yeah. jf musial: he's currently in p5and the number two e-tron. leo parente: so the number twoe-tron was the one that had to pit earlier to get some therubber clag that falls away on the tires out of the rearsuspension, because it had locked up.

back to gt, we've got the four458 leading, followed by the aston martin, followed closelyby the corvette. in p2, good news for morgan,and where is alex roy? because alex roy: right here. leo parente: because charlesmorgan's cars are one, two in class, if i recall. mike spinelli: deltawingfifty-first. it has dropped significantlythrough the field with the--

jf musial: transmission issue. mike spinelli: with atransmission issue, yes. leo parente: the gear box is thecentral part heart of that car, to how it operates,the torque-splitting type part of it. and if they had a problem,that put them in the pits and-- mike spinelli: do youknow who makes that? leo parente: i do not know.

mike spinelli: not toput you on the spot. i'll find out. leo parente: that's ok,and i do not know. josh vietze: spinelli, isyour mike on still? mike spinelli: it should be. why? am i not coming through? josh vietze: oh, now yousound [inaudible] leo parente: and i'm going tobreakaway for a second.

jf musial: yep, i'll cover thegt class at this point. cutting away to gt pro--there are two classes in gt, pro and am. leading the pack is actuallythe 458 italia of af corse. 61 laps down. the gap between p1 to p2, theaston martin vantage, the number 97 with turner behind thewheel, is approximately 40 seconds, 45 seconds. running almost identicalaverage speed times.

in third, we've got the corvetteracing number 74, approximately-- ooh, right there. 15 seconds in between theaston and corvette. and the number 77 porsche, withwolf henzler behind the wheel is running fourth. and i think that'sthe old 997 too. that's not the new one. we're seeing something veryinteresting, where the old

non-modified 997 cars theporches, they're a year old, are actually running betterthan the cars that were released this year. leo parente: and that'sdefinitely true in flying lizards, but which car wereyou just talking about? the 77 car? jf musial: 77, with[inaudible] henzler behind the wheel. leo parente: that'sthe new wide-body.

jf musial: that isa new wide-body. all right, i stand corrected. but that's an all-starteam, as well. leo parente: it's an all-starteam, and what i actually saw in practice, for le mans porschebuilt these covers for where the dive planes normallyare on the side of the-- and make it just smooth air. but they were running it withoutthe covers to get some down force.

so you said earlierthat the alms rule allowed a longer splitter. that is not allowedhere in wec. so maybe they're fighting to getback some front down force to balance the car. jf musial: we have jan magnussenand the other corvette, 73, running in p5. leo parente: yeah, somethinghappened to that car that i lost.

jf musial: not quite sure,about 30 seconds off p4. i apologize for that. we've got dominik farnbacherwith the number 59 458 italia, luxury racing. and then it's ferrari, ferrari,ferrari from there, all the way down to holzer inthe number 80 flying lizard car, bottom of the class. leo parente: so the commentabout ferrari is interesting in mind.

they told me that they'vesold about 20 of those cars around the world. and from a sales standpoint, amichelotto standpoint, i guess that's a good number. but they're not running itas a factory effort. so now they've taken thistechnology they built and they're depending onthese private teams to operate the car. there's always a lot ofpassionate and personality

when giuseppe ricci runs thecars, ricci competizione, but they had deliveredle mans wins. but he's not here for budgetreasons, we understand. so now teams like luxury racing,which i thought were having financial problemsbut suddenly are back. teams like af corse, which aregood, but not having really done all these typesof things. they've competed in europe. jf musial: the growing team.

so now ferrari's competingdepending on these private teams going up against agrizzled veteran organization like corvette racing, prodrive,david richards' group for aston martin, andporsche lizards, and felbermayr is definitelyno slouch europe. rafael orlove: where wouldwe know felbermayr from? have they run in thenurburgring? leo parente: theyrun nurburgring. they ran world endurance, thele mans european series.

they've done all those. mike spinelli: i just wantto interrupt to add that [inaudible] number eight carjust put in a really scorching lap of 327. leo parente: do we know who's inthe car, because i'll come up with a punchlinein a second. mike spinelli: buemi. leo parente: numbereight, buemi? leo parente: f1 driver.

davidson and buemi, i got totell you, at the end of the day, no offense to alexanderwurz, if they're going to count on one car to go after,i'm counting on number eight/ mike spinelli: did you knowthat wurz was the youngest driver ever to win lemans when he was-- leo parente: no, i didnot know that. mike spinelli: yeah,when he was with-- it was porsche, but it was theportion that used to be a jag. in 1997, 6, 7, 8?

the walkinshaw-- rafael orlove: the jost car? mike spinelli: yes, thejost car, exactly. so wurz has a great pedigree. but buemi is somebody that ireally wanted to see do better in formula 1, becausei thought he had-- i equate him with di resta. both really good drivers,reliant on the teams, but a driver to really watch.

leo parente: was buemi red bulland then got bounced? mike spinelli: yes,it was toro rosso. rafael orlove: he's stillthird driver. mike spinelli: he'sa third driver. leo parente: reserve driver. mike spinelli: reserve. leo parente: but withnot testing, means he ain't driving. rafael orlove: well,if webber falls

off a plane, or something. mike spinelli: what,if he's bunched on a wing, or something? rafael orlove: no, if he evermoves to porsche when they run le mans in 2014, or something. mike spinelli: and then does aback flip in le mans again. rafael orlove: i justheard a rumor. jf musial: webber toporsche for 2014. leo parente: from where didyou hear the rumor?

rafael orlove: i heard onjalopnik commenters, who just happened to think that-- i've heard that weber's a bigporsche fan, and that-- jf musial: well, that is true. weber is a huge porsche fan. he owns a very large collectionof porsches. rafael orlove: i'm sure he'shad one [inaudible] it's never going to happen. leo's giving me theworst grin.

leo parente: anythingis possible, and a rumor is a rumor. rafael orlove: i hear helikes le mans, so-- jf musial: oh, he'sbeen to le mans. mike spinelli: all right, i havea question from solomon from brazil, is there any chancemclaren p12, the mp401, new ferrari f70 and porsche 918take part in le mans in-- a revival of gt one, or a? rafael orlove: why is mclarenrunning in every race that no

one watches? leo parente: you can tell whohe writes for with a comment like that, but here we go. jf musial: with the mp412's heis running, but in gt3 spec. it ran at nurburgring. it's going to run at spa,the 24 hours of spa. they don't have a carrep yet for wec standards, but they will. it's no secret that they'reworking on an f1 replacement.

mike spinelli: but the questionis really around the porsche 918. leo parente: so here comes thehalf-assed answer that i can cook up, becausehaven't read-- they haven't released all of thedetails of the 2014 rules. and the 2014 rules say the carsare going to need to be narrower, and i thoughtthey said lighter. they talked about the greenhousehas to be 90 centimeters higher.

but they really haven't definedall this open stuff, and whether that means they'retrying to drift the cars back to more production-based-- pure race cars, but moreproduction-based. remember the originalmclaren-- mike spinelli: f1? leo parente: f1s, thelm long tails? those were race cars, butthey came from the road. or whether it's going to bepure race car, just in a

smaller compact thing. and they have to make a decisionin gt cars to take these cars somewhere. and please correct me on thisone, everyone suggests that the porsche 918 thatthey've shown us is to show the concept. it may not be thereal race car. it's probably very closeto the road car. but we don't know how closethat connection will be,

whether it'll be power, like tdiinto audi road cars versus the r18, or whether it will bean extension of that 918 car that makes the race carfor this new class. jf musial: we can only speculateat this point. leo parente: because the acohas not released enough information. the aco has not talked aboutdefinitively having this type of new technology in gt cars. but they've always talked abouttrying to get things

back to production, and they'vealways talked about opening the rules. and they literally used the wordfree a lot in announcing the 2014 six pointsthat they made. mike spinelli: i think theyshould just homologate the toyota, just let peoplebuy that. and the audi. leo parente: but didn't theyhomologate the toyota one and the nissan--

leo parente: and eventhe mercedes whatever it was, the flying-- leo parente: the one thatwent into the bushes. mike spinelli: not the clk? leo parente: the onethat went into the bushes with mark webber. mike spinelli: yes, yes. rafael orlove: that'sthe clk gtr leo parente: right, so why wouldmark weber want to go

back to gts? he's already seen that forest? mike spinelli: seen the forestthrough the gt-- rafael orlove: this is what'sinteresting when you make the regulations of road cars andrace cars very close to each other, is because it's veryeasy to exploit with road promulgation rules. so the reason why the mclarengtr stopped winning, is because porsche realized theycould build enough of their--

jf musial: clk gtr. rafael orlove: right. jf musial: just want toget that out there. rafael orlove: but porscherealized they could build enough of their gt1 whateverthey were, that were close enough-- rafael orlove: but they realizedthey could build enough of them that were closeenough to the road car 911 that they counted.

and so then they could buildbasically what were pure race cars that counted to theaco as road cars. jf musial: well, theydid sell some. rafael orlove: yeah, theysold some, and it was jf musial: clk gtr wasa production car. rafael orlove: but that's whatkilled all of the f40lms and mclaren f1s that were running,and whatever they were, whatever that leo parente: well, two things.

one, i was looking for it. i read it. i don't have it. the gt rules have two levelsof homologation. they have a certain quantityfour a major manufacturer, and then they've got a smallerquantity for minor manufacturers. so it's trying to eliminatethat situation where a big company can out-homologate alittle company that doesn't

have the capacity. if i recall-- and by the way, they've alsogot a rule in here that you could have a carbon chassisin gt if you-- oh, my god, i can'tread my own notes. it was somewhere between 100 or300 production cars, and do those type of things. i'm not so sure that f40 andthe other car you mentioned were homologated out.

i think the technology movedon and the cars got older. rafael orlove: well, yeah. sure. jf musial: so just a recap. this is the 25 hours of the 24hours of le mans on drive. right behind us is the audi.tvdisplay, and we're following along with tom kristensenright now. leo parente: i thnk it'san awesome background. jf musial: yeah, it's cool.

tom kristensen rightnow in the e-tron. but the car we reallyhaven't spoken much about is the ultra. it's a completelydifferent car. the hybrid's been getting alot of attention, but the ultra has had a lot moretechnology and improvements over the past year. and to that point, when theyupdated the r18 from last year, all the updates, thechassis, the engine,

everything went into the ultraand the e-tron quattro. so i wanted to just cut away toan interview that we have with romain dumas,number seven. he is speaking on the r18 ultra,and the improvements made to it, actually how helikes it as a new car. for example, the spa reference,about how this year they were able to take-- leo parente: he says it? jf musial: well, let'swatch the clip.

romain dumas: well, for sure,from outside it seems that it's the same car, but actually,they [inaudible] a lot. it's a lot of points who aredifferent, from the gear box to the front down fall tothe weight distribution. it's a lot, a lot of differenceon both cars. and i can promise you, this car,this year it's amazing. compare last year, mainlyon the fast corner, it's a lot quicker.

we saw that in spa francorchampsone month ago already, on all the fast cornersthat with the f15, f15 plus, r18 were not able to takea, let's say, a rouge corner flat. after 60 laps in spa this year,it was completely flat. so it's a big difference. and here it's the same. on the porsche corner, it's alot quicker than last year. also, the driving insidethe car is a

little bit more easier. it's always getting quicker, butyou have a better feeling. the car is more constant,so it's all positive. jf musial: so that was romaindumas, speaking about the new r18. romain, of course, is an audifactory driver, as well as a porsche factory driver. always cool to hearhis thoughts. he's in the car right now.

i think it's the other ultra. yeah, this is the numberone, right now. leo parente: so alex asked methe question, let me go around the room and ask you guys. what part of a lap of le mansintrigues you the most? what part do you think is themost exciting as you watch? rafael orlove: the mulsanne. rafael orlove: they goreally fast on it. rafael orlove: the crazy thingthat happens at le mans, which

you don't get anywhere else is,as our dear departed alex roy said, is you have the hugedisparity between the fast cars and the slow cars. and so you've gotcars that are-- i mean, how fast is an r18passing a gt am car? mike spinelli: the problem withthe mulsanne for me is, that with the chicanes, i justkeep hearing about back in the days when you could hit 253miles an hour, right? and when you think about it,that's insane speed.

but with the chicanes, it'santi-climactic a little bit with the mulsanne. i like the third sector,anything from mulsanne corner down through, anything throughford corner, basically, because i think that's where youreally get to see some of the best racing. leo parente: and we are goingto get along the speed differential is not as greatas it used to be. the p1 cars, the lmp2--

rafael orlove: 914s on thecourse, that were poodle-ing along, and getting suckedoff the ground. leo parente: relativelypoodle-ing along. but yes, you're absoluteright. and actually, if i recall,they were talk about the drivers' meetings whereyou were required-- required to stay to the right,because here come the 917s. it seems like-- rafael orlove: [inaudible]

leo parente: there's alittle more, we're having our own race. you'll figure it out,you faster car. the relative speed, though,is not that great differential anymore. it's happening [inaudible] sometimes, because the gripof these cars is where the difference starts to show up. rafael orlove: ok,interesting.

leo parente: scary, i think. rafael orlove: i thought thatthing by whoever the driver you had on before getting heldup in last year's was very just how much he had tojust keep himself-- because it's serious how muchthese guys are hammering it all the time. you think the 24 hours you wouldbe off of it most of the time, until last hour,and then you're like, all right, fine.

our car hasn't broken yet, andnow we'll go for it, but there's just no roomfor that anymore. mike spinelli: by theway, speaking of this, that the pace-- we're talking about this stuff,but what's going on in lmp1 is getting really, reallyhairy right now. buemi is caning that toyota. mike spinelli: well, hehad just done a 3277-- you pronounce his name.

leo parente: which one? mike spinelli: true-le- leo parente: oh, i can'tpronounce it. mike spinelli: trulier. mike spinelli: trulierdid a 328, so they're just killing it. they're actually something-- rafael orlove: [inaudible]done a 326. mike spinelli: the point beingthat buemi brought it to

within three secondsof the leader. so we're talking about a prettyserious race right now. leo parente: just for context,the pole was a 323.6, but that was a mega, mega, mega lap. most of the lap times they weredoing in practice and qualifying were 325's326's and sevens. and you're saying they'reright there. so they're running-- rafael orlove: well,what it means is--

it doesn't mean that if thetoyota passes the audi now, it doesn't mean that that's goingto be a race-deciding pass. what it does mean is thepressure is going to be on for the entire race. leo parente: and to that point,i hope that audi wasn't surprised that that'swhat they entered into from hour one. rafael orlove: well, youwere there when they were testing at--

leo parente: at sebring. rafael orlove: at sebring. they were talking about toyotalike they were nothing to screw around with. leo parente: a lot of respect,and it was more than just the vanity of being a goodcorporate citizen. they feel like the rules givean advantage to the petrol engine configuration. i don't know whether they weretalking about the fuel or

other elements. and they were not selling shortthe aerodynamic and chassis design capabilitiesof the team. no one ever, ever sells toyotashort in terms of the money they'll spend when they'recommitted to something. and i think they actuallyexpected that toyota was going to get a pole. they thought the car wasgoing to be that fast. and they thought they were goingto end up doing it with

their process, efficiency,and quite frankly, their experience. but at the end of the day, thee-tron quattro has proved to be a pretty quick car, too, andhas made up some of the gap in differencesin driveability from last year's r18. rafael orlove: so ihave a question. are we expecting rain thisrace, or do we not know at this time?

leo parente: i thought i heardthat there was the expectation, but it reallyhasn't shown up yet. rafael orlove: jf? do you have that weathermap that you were looking at before? leo parente: can youdo 15 things? mike spinelli: do another10 things, please. leo parente: and by the way, whyis casey mears qualifying at le mans?

oh, that's speed. that's a nascar joke,for those of you who are not watching. speed is showing nascar. leo parente: probably. it's on speed.com. rafael orlove: isthere a michigan mike spinelli: mentioned thatthey were actually running 22 of the 24 hours this year.

i find that very hardto believe. leo parente: i think it's closerto 18, but they're running a good amount on tv. mike spinelli: last year, if youremember, there was a big chunk of time. mike spinelli: almnost six hours[inaudible] last year. honestly, if i said 18, guesswhat i just said? mike spinelli: well, i guessit's not that far off, but-- no, must have been longer,because there was a big time

at night where we were watchingonly the euro leo parente: the feed? so i'm sorry, you were? rafael orlove: i don't knowwhat i was talking about leo parente: the rain. you were asking about rain. do you think? rafael orlove: because the bigthing is that toyota is rear-driven completely, andaudi is four-wheel drive.

and that would be a gamechanger in the rain, presumably. leo parente: could give anadvantage to the audi, yes. rafael orlove: and it couldgive a huge advantage. we haven't seen a four-wheeldrive car in le mans ever? leo parente: well, the onlyreason i'm being tentative, is that remember, you can'tbe four-wheel drive until you're over what? 70 miles per hour.

so corner out at a couple ofthese slow hairpins may or may not be a game changer. but, i would imagine inslippery surfaces and conditions, all wheeldrive at any rpm is probably a good thing. rafael orlove: this is like acorporate answer [inaudible] you've got the grin on one side,and the answer on the other side. leo parente: yeah, well,you know what?

guess where i grew up? rafael orlove: yeah. i ts01? leo parente: i have mixedfeelings about toyota. the bottom line is, i-- rafael orlove: did you meet anyof those guys, or are they all in germany? leo parente: on this team? rafael orlove: when theywere running--

either then or now. leo parente: no, i was american,so i knew the dan gurney side, the imsa side. i knew jeff krosnoff and wespoke a lot about when he ran i think he was in the-- was it the ts010? yea, he was. it was in the 010, i think. rafael orlove: the red and whiteone that looked awesome.

leo parente: and i spoketo a lot of the-- alex roy is doing something onhis hands and knees, so that's all you need to no. rafael orlove: i havethe best view in the house at the moment. leo parente: actually,it's on camera, so-- mike spinelli: great cutaway. two points to josh vietzefor that cutaway. leo parente: that was acomplete [inaudible]

don't worry, alex. no one saw anything. no one saw anything on that. and by the way, pick up yourtrash, when you leave. and i spoke to a couple of thejapanese in toyota motorsport. leo parente: because i wonderhow much of this is, especially with the hybrid tech,i wonder how much the center of development withintoyota has changed. this is probably the nerdiestquestion you could probably

ask, which is the corporatestructure of the racing team, but i find it interesting. leo parente: well, i don'tknow, and i'd love some commenters to add in, butthey're basing it out of the toyota germany facility. leo parente: because if i'mnot mistaken, that started with one guy running celicasin africa in the '70's didn't it? leo parente: ove anderson orsomething, but then it got

bought by toyota and becametheir big f1 home. rafael orlove: becausethat's cool to me. leo parente: however, i thinkthat there's a lot of people from japan involved in thepowertrain system. jf musial: it's bottomof the hour. 1:30 local time. in france, it's about 7:30,coming up on sunset. if you are in the us, speed hasdropped away from its live coverage, but i suggest you goto live.lemans-tv.com to get

live footage and timing. you can also go to audi.tvfor in-car footage. right now we're lookingat a frozen frame. great timing that was, jf. and soon, actuallywe've gotten word from charles morgan. he will be coming on the showat 3:30 local time. via leo parente: phonecall?

jf musial: via phone call. his team is currently leadingthe lmp2 category. leo parente: are theystill one and two? jf musial: i believe so. leo parente: he's gotto be going crazy. leo parente: yes, theyare one and two. leo parente: and when we spokewith charles in sebring, he really was talking about,besides trying to do things for the brand, technologytransfer, working with

materials, pushing it intomorgan road cars, without losing that traditional ethic,the engines being the same. it's all good. jf musial: it all works. jf musial: we're tryingto make this work. mike spinelli: yeah,the mikes were on. rafael orlove: sometimes we havemikes on, sometimes we don't leo parente: were we talkingto each other?

rafael orlove: oh,yeah, totally. mike spinelli: at least itwas something that was appropriate, instead ofour usual fights. leo parente: yeah,i was gonna say. mother what? mike spinelli: mother flicker. now you tell us? jf musial: so alex roy it'sstill in the studio, but he's over there, i think watching[inaudible]

mike spinelli: he's the onlyone smart enough to have gotten food, so he's eating. jf musial: 25 hours of 24hours of le mans drive livestream orgasma whateverit may be. live on youtube.com/drive andyoutube.com's front page. if you want to join us,we're in the chat. mike spinelli's readingcomments on twitter as well as the chat. the feed currently on speedis gone, as i said.

join us on audi.tv gotthe footage, and live timing, of course. leo parente: the 25 hours ofthe 24 hours of le mans livestream orgasmatasticviewing party and live chat spew-fest. jf musial: so that's whatthe contract reads. leo parente: nowwe're x-rated. rafael orlove: not actuallywatching what's on alex roy's computer, so it'snot actually--

mike spinelli: no,no, that's true. jf musial: we should actuallyget an update from some of what's going on in differentcategories. in p1, we have the number oneaudi e-tron in first place, followed by the p2toyota hybrid. jf musial: leo, go ahead,take it [inaudible] leo parente: no, no,no, that's ok. see, it looks like with thepit stop differentials the gaps are changing from beingvery close competition to now

a minute and five betweenp1 and p2 toyota ts030. lapierre is in the car fortoyota, he's chasing treluyer. and then behind that, we've gotthe traditional, if you can call an r18 ultradiesel [inaudible] more traditional, in p3,followed by the next toyota hybrid, and then thee-tron quattro. kristensen in the car, catchingup after having that longer pit stop for cleaningup the rear suspension. followed by the ultra, andthen we get into the

gas-powered cars. so just as comparison,if i can catch this. so you've got the e-tronquattro, the lead car doing a 328 last lap. he toyota powered lola, therebellion car, doing a 333-- jf musial: i'm looking to findout where this crash may be. leo parente: do we have thebroadcast somewhere? rafael orlove: here we go. i got it.

mike spinelli: you'rein the remparts. rafael orlove: they don'thave it up yet. leo parente: so i stopped byramp, because apparently an audi r18 crashed. jf musial: trying to figureit out right now. here's the replay. in the first chicane, withthe number 79 lizard getting in the way. and that was the number three.

not too hard into the impactzone, into the barrier. jf musial: who's three? who was in three right now? leo parente: gene,dumas and duval. alex roy: dumas is in it now. jf musial: so dumaswas in that car. rafael orlove: an r18 ultra-- jf musial: lookit, you can seeromain ripping the tires off, the pieces off--

leo parente: the body workto get the car back. jf musial: yeah so the marshalscan not actually help fix the car. he can only walk, i think10 feet away from the car, right, before-- this is awesome. this is amazing. that's romain dumas ripping thefront pieces off the front of the car.

alex roy: back up alittle bit, you're blocking the screen. leo parente: hope youguys all saw that. jf musial: tune in on audi.tv. so he's in the car. i don't think he actuallyput his belt on yet. oh, my. jf musial: audi.tv.com you'llhave this footage. romain dumas just ran into theback of the pro am car.

alex roy: hey, josh? jf musial: the am car. alex roy: back to thetwo shot, josh. josh vietze: what? alex roy: go backto the two shot. josh vietze: i will,just a minute. alex roy: no, no, no, i am. jf musial: that isdumas, right? leo parente: so it honestlylooked like he was trying to

overtake the slower porsche,and got offline, got into the marbles-- rafael orlove: nowit's [inaudible] lizard crash [inaudible] jf musial: no, it was the lizardthat got in his way. rafael orlove: oh, so it'sa lizard audi crash. jf musial: well, thelizard got away. look at the front of that car. leo parente: now that frontsuspension, right, is broken.

so he's going to limp thiscar three-wheeled back. and with the two separatefenders off the car, you can see how fat thosefront tires are. they're running four wideall around the car. jf musial: 70 miles an hour downthe mulsanne straight. leo parente: where is he? jf musial: he was afterthe first you chicane on mulsanne straight. leo parente: is that him here?

jf musial: no, i think that isu3-- actually, that at him. leo parente: he is completelyscrewed. jf musial: no, no, no, no, no. that's not right. josh vietze: apparently,lizard porsche on fire. rafael orlove: no, way. jf musial: which one? leo parente: that is right. alex roy: in indy.

jf musial: that's not right. because this is themulsanne, and that was the first chicane. that's off. first chicane. jf musial: no, butthis it mulsanne. he's own mulsann.eno, this is off. footage is from the mulsanne. he's coming up to the second--

mike spinelli: that ishim, by the way, jf. he's slowing down. look at him. leo parente: well,he can't turn. mike spinelli: i know. alex roy: they just showed aclip of the porsche while you were looking away. leo parente: what happenedto the porsche? alex roy: it looked fine.

it was not a fireball. mike spinelli: and now we'rein an ad, so it's-- jf musial: all right, so-- leo parente: either way,he's hardly screwed. jf musial: yeah,that's a long-- well, no, he's here right now. leo parente: yeah, but i'mstill saying, that's screwed. jf musial: yeah, he's--

so i guess, let's gothrough the rules. he got out of the car. leo parente: you soundlike you know them better, so go for it. leo parente: i think the rulesimply that you can't leave the car, you can't get more than 10meters from the car before it's deemed that you can't getback in, or something. leo parente: i honestly didn'tknow that, but go ahead. jf musial: i'm just--

mike spinelli: by the way,leo, white flags. what do the white flags mean? leo parente: slowcar on track. the speed differential from60 to that [inaudible] leo parente: what's he doing? 60 kilometers? jf musial: 67, 70 kilometers. that's a scary moment, and tohave your suspension just-- leo parente: and by the way--

jf musial: the replay is onle mans tv right now. alex roy: once you see what'sreally happening is, he did this because he intends to getthat car back to the pit and stay in the race. alex roy: that'sreally badass. and for him to get out of thecar and rip it apart-- alex roy: and get back in. that's real racing. jf musial: the marshals were notallowed to touch the car

in that circumstance. coming up to, where is he? is that indianapolis? leo parente: i think that'smulsanne corner. jf musial: what's wrong? what's so funny? josh vietze: i just cutto them, and they were all just like-- mike spinelli: no, i was lookingat the comments.

rafael orlove: what'syour favorite dish? jf musial: all right, thisis actually very intense. i guess we're going to wait tosee what's going on right now. at this point, you're goingto start seeing every one at the audi pits. they're actually goingto have all-- alex roy: somebody said awhite flag means audi surrenders. jf musial: anyway, in pit laneright now, in the audi garage,

they are going to have all thosemechanics getting all their gear together. all the pieces together. they're getting telemetryback from the car. they probably know prettymuch what's wrong-- mike spinelli: this is going tobe very interesting to see how fast they're going to beable to flip this car around-- rafael orlove: 17? alex roy: 17 minutes.

leo parente: does anyone havetiming and scoring up? rafael orlove: but it's notfiltering correctly. leo parente: yeah, that's ok. rafael orlove: i'mhaving trouble. alex roy: we're also gettingreports from commenters that there was no contactwith the porsche. leo parente: no, there wasn't. jf musial: it lookedlike romain just-- leo parente: i thinkhe got out in the

marbles, and slid out. and what corner was that? did anyone confirm which cornerthat exactly was? you said it was oneof the chicanes? jf musial: that was the firstchicane, yeah, on the mulsanne straight. number 79 porsche flying lizardcar is in the pits, according to the commenters. thank you, drgofast.

leo parente: so that was theamateur car that he was trying to overtake. mike spinelli: by the way,live timing is down. mike spinelli: on both of these,so that's a le mans issue, not ours. jf musial: no, it'sback up now. mike spinelli: oh, excuse me. it's not up here. rafael orlove: scroll down.

mike spinelli: no, it's not. jf will have to dealwith that. jf musial: they are in sixthplace, romain dumas. two laps down at this point. mike spinelli: previously,they were in-- leo parente: third or fourth? was mike spinelli: that thenumber seven car? number eight car?

number three. we're talking numberthree audi. mike spinelli: i'm sorry. so yeah, dumas. let me see. they were in fifth, but-- now they're two laps. the gap is now twolaps for them. mike spinelli: it's gota long way to go.

rafael orlove: what areyou doing up there? leo parente: we were talkingearlier and you were making the comment about how you wereimpressed when lederer was so mentally calm in the car whenhe was chasing down-- rafael orlove: but there was agreat deal of effort to remain calm while he was coming up onslower traffic who weren't immediately gettingout of his way. leo parente: he was actuallytalking about the peugeot that was blocking him to tryto help the other guy.

and did you takeaway-- andi'm not challenging-- did you take away that it wasa lot of effort, or he was just, this is the way i do it. this is the way i go. rafael orlove: well, soobviously, he's a racing car driver, and his mind is wireddifferently and he can just be in the car and concentratingto an incredible degree, especially after for allthese hours of racing. but the way he was talking aboutit that he did have a

desire to just-- there was a part of him thatjust wanted to scream on the radio and shake his fist, assome drivers are want to do. but no, he was keepingit controlled. he had a job to do. jf musial: all right, so romaindumas is coming into the pits very shortly. just passed the corvettecorner. this is going to bevery interesting.

let's see how fastthey do this. i'm going to time them. alex roy: well, ishe in the pit? jf musial: he's enteringpit lane as we speak. leo parente: he justdid a blistering 8 minute, 53 second lap. alex roy: i predicted 17minutes, but [inaudible] predicts 16. jf musial: all right, guys.

alex roy: yes, i got in there. jf musial: post your comments. how long it thisgoing to take? comments, how long isthis going to take? mike spinelli: how longis what going to take? oh, the pit? jf musial: the pitstop for change. mike spinelli: let me see-- mike spinelli: whatdoed he need?

he needs a nose, and whatelse does he need? that's it? leo parente: rightfront suspension. i say 15 minutes. mike spinelli: ooh, rightfront suspension. i say 20 minutes. alex roy: closest commenterfree t-shirt. jf musial: free t-shirt, closestcommenter to how fast this change is made.

mike spinelli: right now it'sspanning from 15 minutes to 30 minutes, with a 22minutes in here. rafael orlove: now, audi madetheir name in le mans at the pits, because-- jf musial: doesnt havehis belt on. we're listening. rafael orlove: so backin the day, audi-- mike spinelli: two hours,complete new right suspension. rafael orlove: we need to getcommenters to be clear.

this is down to thetenth of a second. jf musial: no, withinthree seconds. rafael orlove: there's 600people commenting. jf musial: all right,within one second. rafael orlove: that wouldbe 100 shirts. alex roy: dude, people arecommenting every-- it's up to 10 per second. oh, my god. jf musial: and theycut away from it.

thank you, guys. let's see how long this takes. i'm listening to radiole mans on my ear, so i'll try to keep up.

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