[music playing] jf musial: it is 8:00pm in new york. leo parente: freakin' wayne'sworld over there. jf musial: i know. 8:00 pm in new york. this is the 25 hours of the24 hours of le mans livestream-a-thon hereon the drive network, youtube.com/drive, as well asthe front page of youtube for the next seven hours,i do believe.
if you want to contactus, we have a chat as well as a twitter-- twitter.com/driveor on facebook-- facebook.com/drivetv. i'm jf musial, leo parente,we are going through the night at le mans. it's-- leo parente: and wehave mike musto-- jf musial: 2:00 am.
2:00 am. yeah, we've got mikemusto on the line. mike, say hi for the fans. mike musto: yo. how's everybody doing? i wish i was there, not incalifornia for once. jf musial: we just witnessedthe number 73 corvette in the wall. let's go through a run downof everything that's
happened in the race. i think it's timefor that time. i think it's timefor that-- time. leo parente: and i'm going tostart with the easy one. jf musial: you want to startwith the toyota crash [inaudible]. leo parente: oh. are we gonna recapthe whole thing? jf musial: start [inaudible].
mike musto: [inaudible]. jf musial: we got nothing buttime to burn right now. so-- leo parente: wow. ok. so lmp-1, toyota versus audi. four cars versus two. two hybrids versus twohybrid toyotas. and it looked like aheads-up battle.
the lap times were showingcompetition. they were all running inthat top three, four. and then in the six-hour mark,anthony davidson in the toyota hybrid, molsanne straightaway,high speed, coming to the king before the brake zone for thehairpin, tangled with a slower gt ferrari. very similar to last year'srockefeller scenario, where the two cars came together asthey were at full chat. and this time it was a bigenough impact that it
separated one of the tiresfrom davidson's toyota-- the rear tire. but it turned the car enoughthat, fins and aerodynamic holes over the fenders or not,the car went airborne, flipped, did a full rotation,landed back on his wheels and impacted the tire wallslash armco barrier. they both hit. but davidson went in pretty muchfront 3/4, a little bit of side impact, at a very,very high speed.
definitely 100 plus, 120,150 miles per hour. jf musial: side impact,no less. leo parente: yeah. the ferrari hit and did arotation, like mcnish did last year, and landed on its roof. both drivers eventuallygot out of their cars. the ferrari driver seemedto be more ok. they took davidson to thehospital for a checkup. he had complainedof some pain.
and then as it turns out, mikefound the twitter feed that showed that he was sayinghe has a broken back. and very similar, unfortunately,to the testing accident we saw with audiat sebring where timo? jf musial: timo bernhard went invery hard at turn 17 after a wheel dislodged fromthe side impact. leo parente: same thing. so the car protectsthe driver, but to only some extent.
that reduced toyota's challengeto one car. but then mechanical problems forthe remaining number seven toyota turned this intoa showcase for audi. they're running one-two-three. jf musial: well, before that,the seven car actually was involved in another incidentwith the deltawing. leo parente: oh, yes. sorry, you're right. jf musial: that was theincident that put the
deltawing out of the race. leo parente: so if we segue tothat, on the restart from davidson's crash. all the cars were grouped. the two audis were leading,e-tron and an ultra, chased very close right behindby the toyota. they were working their waythrough traffic, gt traffic. and as it turns out,delta traffic. and the last part of the porschecurves, as they're
getting toward the start-finish,the toyota was being very aggressive-- appropriately aggressive-- to make a move that wasthere for the second place against the audi. but did not see, apparently,the delta. hit the delta. it basically dodgeballed off thetrack, hit the tire wall, hit the hard wall, and thedriver motoyama, if i'm
pronouncing that right? jf musial: think so, yeah. leo parente: was apparently,from reports, working very, very hard to repair the car toget it back to pit lane. suspension front and rear wasdamaged, and that led to the retirement of the delta. jf musial: and then we had theflying lizard car, the numbers 80 pro car, went off as well. they're out of the raceat this point.
leo parente: lizards havehad a tough time. the amateur car was in oneof the molsanne chicanes. and one of the earlier audiscame up on it and-- almost felt it was brakechecked-- fell off into the marbles and went intothe tire wall. and the driver, one of thedrivers of the day, was getting out of a car. jf musial: romain dumas. leo parente: romain dumas.
and he was karate kickingthe fenders-- jf musial: of ther18, i'm sure. leo parente: off the car to getthe car rolling again and back to pit lane for repair. jf musial: that's awesome. leo parente: one of the frontsuspension sides was damaged. so he basically kicked the carapart to get it rolling. mike musto: i got a questionfor you guys when you get a moment.
jf musial: sorry, yeah,one second, mike. leo parente: drove it with halfthe steering and is back in competition. i don't think it's one ofthe top three cars. but four audis arestill running. jf musial: yup. and i just got word that thenumber 24 morgan is gone. leo parente: dnf. jf musial: dnf.
leo parente: it looked likein the [inaudible] it went into the tire wall. jf musial: yeah. the tire wall did it. it did him in. musto, what were yougoing to say? mike musto: so really quick. when these guys run at lemans, you've got so many different classes between thelmp1 and 2, and the gt
classes, is there any animositybetween the guys [inaudible] the prototype carsand the lmp1 cars against the slower drivers? or do they find it difficultto get around them? or how does thatgenerally work? leo parente: it becomesan individual thing. everyone recognizes the sport,having the different classes. but if a driver repeatedlyviolates the code of what a slower car should be doing, orviolates the code as the
faster car-- being tooaggressive and too arrogant-- you remember that. but it's not so much the factthat we're racing together, or the class, or a team. it becomes driver to driver. jf musial: watching the number51 ferrari 458 italia fisichella in the af corseleading, long run on tires right now. they've only pittednine times.
that's the least amount inthe entire category. really pushing the limitsof their car. their best lap timeis a 3:56.9. only comparable time would bethe 73 corvette in third position, which is runningrelatively the same lap times. that's a good observation,there. they're clearly doing somethingwith their pit strategy to try to maintainthe lead. jf musial: it looks like someonejust went off in the
first chicane. it looked like a ferrari 458. leo parente: a lot of smoke. jf musial: a lot of smoke. oh, that was theinto molsanne. looks like maybe just a brakelockup from one of the ferraris in front of ther18 right there. oh, no. that's an aston martin.
i think we recapped everythingwe could. i'm going to go to sleep. no, i'm just kidding. mike musto: now guys,max speed. are they nudging the200-mile-an-hour barrier here? looks like the r18s are mostcertainly nudging 200 at the end of the molsanne. 51 is in the pits, just wentin the pits quickly. leo parente: i should look.
i'd be shocked if they'renot over 200. jf musial: very interestingto see everything going on right now. aston martin was really strongout of the gate, now down to the fourth. only about two laps down in gt,which is not that bad when you consider everything. just saw one of the lmp2cars go off right after the fourth corner.
well, it's night, no rain. that's a change for le mans. leo parente: from thatstandpoint, we've been-- look at the lights on that-- lucky this race so far. well, we had rain at thetop of the first hour during the start. but now it looks all good. oh man, i wish i was there.
alex roy: me too. i wish you were there, too. jf musial: thank you, alex. alex, you wanna get up here? alex roy: sure. i'm just setting up a game. leo parente: am i on camera? do they see that? jf musial: i love the lookyou just gave me.
leo parente: so now paybacksare gonna be [inaudible]. jf musial: telemetry is showing318 kilometers an hour, 197 miles an hour,musto, looks like. they're topping 200 sometimes. but i think the gearing limitsthat a little bit. mike musto: gotcha, ok. it leo parente: so which corvetteracing is this in the pits where they're working onthe air restrictors?
jf musial: i'm not too sure. if anyone wants to follow onwhat we're doing, the official aco feed is-- mike musto: i'vegot a question. how many speed tranniesare they running? jf musial: sorry. what was that, musto? mike musto: how manygears are there? how many speeds arethe trannies?
jf musial: in the r18s? mike musto: yeah. jf musial: i do believeit is a six-speed. six-speed. mike musto: gotcha. jf musial: if you wantto follow along, live.lemans-tv.com, they've gotthe feed, as well as live timing and scoring. alex, got a lav on?
alex roy: yeah. leo parente: catchingup on the comments. i'm not sure what you mean, "wedo see it, leo." i wonder what that was. no. ford does not have any cars inthis race, no private entries, nothing to my knowledge. jf musial: i think the 74is in the garage now. 74 corvette.
leo parente: corvette? leo parente: i would hateto see that race fall apart for them. but-- jf musial: they wererunning strong. very strong. leo parente: so that must be thecar they're working on the restrictors. leo parente: and then someonesaid a ferrari crashed?
mike musto: wouldn't it be coolif it was just an actual '73 corvette? jf musial: i knowyou'd love that. alex roy: in the comments itwas stated that musto will obviously ask whether youcan enter vintage cars. jf musial: it's all you. alex roy: oh, you're lettingme sit here, now? jf musial: did youput a lav on? alex roy: not yetbut i need one.
but you'll notice i broughta girth concealment shirt. leo parente: there'sno girth involved. alex roy: it's a two-layerprocess, much like the outfits worn in the race. leo parente: so you're gonnahave to translate to mike, because you can't hear me. so if you two had your choiceof driving a car at le mans, which cars would each of youpick to race at le mans? alex roy: mike?
leo parente: you haveto tell him. jf musial: you gottaspeak into the-- alex roy: into the what? mike musto: i can hear you. but you're breaking up. jf musial: put the lav on. alex roy: can i havethe lav, please? jf musial: yes. i put it in front of you.
alex roy: all right.hang on a second. hold on a moment. what's happening here? leo parente: we'rewaiting on you. mike musto: if i could drive anycar it would probably be the 'vette or the deltawing. alex roy: the-- no. leo parente: and if you had anychance to drive anything of any generation, forgetcompetitiveness and that, how
far back would you go? what would you drive? what would you like? mike musto: oh, probably one ofthe ferraris from back in the early '60s, i think. leo parente: well, michael,you surprise me. i didn't know you'd go thatdirection with the whole ferrari thing. mike musto: i like old-schoolscars, man.
i like cars that have likesix moving parts. alex roy: all right. mike, can you hear me now? but you've got sucha [inaudible]. i'm literally catchingevery third word. alex roy: should i pick up? go ahead. alex roy: musto, canyou hear me now? mike musto: now ican hear you.
alex roy: ok. mike musto: i'm gettingfour words and then i'm getting a delay. alex roy: ok, i'm gonna ask youa question and then i'm gonna put you back on speakerso you can answer, ok? mike musto: all right,love it. if you're a real man, why wouldyou not be driving say, a porsche 908 or 917. also, thank god you're nothere to break my arm.
mike musto: because at six-four,250 pounds, there's no way my big ass wouldfit in that car. alex roy: i see. mike musto: that work? i guess that answers it. i'd have to say i woulddefinitely pick a porsche 917 over anything else. steve mcqueen drove it, thatmeans men drove it and everything else isa lady-boy car.
jf musial: [laughing]. alex roy: i know that whatyou just said, and i couldn't hear it. you just said, i justbroke your arm. mike musto: [laughing] i would never say that to you. come on, bud. [inaudible conversation] alex roy: what's the bestway to do this?
leo parente: ask hima question, put the phone on speaker. what's the question youwant me to ask him? jf musial: if you're notgonna respond, then-- mike musto: because i'mactually, i'm seeing you on a time delay by liketwelve seconds. leo parente: ok. so here's my question. alex roy: all right, hang on.
i'm gonna give youleo's question. mike musto: you got it. so deltawing only has300 horsepower. alex roy: and deltawing onlyhas 300 horsepower. but hold your thoughton arm-breaking. leo parente: can you have abig muscle car with low horsepower like the delta? alex roy: how do you reconcilewanting to drive a big horsepower car with alow-horsepower lady car like
the deltawing. leo parente: i didn'tsay lady car. alex roy: hold on a second. speakerphone. mike musto: it's justpower-to-weight like anything else, man. you could put a 250 horsepowerin something like a miata, go out on the track and havea blast all day long. leo parente: thank you.
alex roy: man enoughto tell the truth. i like what i'm hearingfrom musto. musto, but let's talk. i feel like i'm on a submarineand it's like a captain hailing the engine room. and in the engine room musto isalways the guy who answers. engine room, musto speaking. in fact, you ought to renameyour show engine room. mike musto: nice.
leo parente: engine room,we hit an iceberg. what do we do now? alex roy: it's ok. [inaudible] iceberg, as long as you gotthe power-to-weight ratio just right. mike musto: that's all right. we'll do a joint episode betweenthat and road finger. alex roy: so--
[laughing] he wants to do a joint episodebetween that and road finger. alex roy: now, musto. here's my question to you. all right? this deltawing thing, no matterhow cool it looks and in theory is, don't you thinkthat it's not the best-looking deltawing a deltawingcould be? i mean, i'd love tosee something--
i mean, it looks justlike something out of battlestar galactica. but i like it becauseit'll give everybody out their ideas. and it'll start sparkingimagination, and it'll be cool. you know? wait a second. you just raised a reallyinteresting issue, which is it
does look like a colonial viper,but somewhere like between gen one and gen two. but if we're going togo down this road-- mike musto: oh, boy. alex roy: there was a bookthat recently came out called area 51. where they were discussing allthe different theoretical flying vehicles youcould have. and i read an article withgordon murray talking about
how if he was starting with aclean sheet design, it would look something like a trainbut it would be articulate like a caterpillar. and if it wasn't that, itwould look like a flying saucer with just wheels-- two in the back and one in thefront about to take off. so is what you're really sayingthat a cylon raider is the next generation competitorto the deltawing? mike musto: absolutely.
in fact, if they brought thedeltawing back and painted it like a cylon raider it'd bethe greatest thing ever. alex roy: mike musto,everybody. is there anything else youwant to ask the master? leo parente: no. i think this is great. alex roy: anyone else,any questions? jf musial: alex, i justwant to point that they can hear him.
alex roy: oh. male speaker: [inaudible]. jf musial: no, but you-- but-- [laughs] alex roy: i just want tomake sure that leo can hear what's happening. i'm wearing my engineroom naval shirt. leo parente: i thinkit's great.
i think this is perfect. anything else to ask musto? jf musial: i know you musthave one more question. alex roy: no, i don't. i need to relax and figureout what's [inaudible] for two hours. mike musto: what? alex roy: um, to be clear,engine room. i had to go home and getheadphones and a pedal set for
the forza set up. and because you know,that's my value-add. mike musto: ok. well, if you've got headphones, i've got a headphone. what's your name on forza? because i might haveto chime in there. are we friends? he wants to connect.
he has a forza account andwants to go head-to-head. so i'm polizei aroy. so send me a friend request. and what's your handle? i shouldn't be-- jf musial: it's casethough, isn't it? mike musto: it's real simple. it's therealmrangry. hang on a second.
is that uppercase, lowercase? it's case sensitive, isn't it? mike musto: i don'tknow what it is. i'm not even loggedonto it yet. well, then let megive you mine. because mine's easier. it's capitalized, the word"polizei" all capitalized, space, capital a, capitalr, lower case o-y. mike musto: all right.
when are you going on? alex roy: i'm logged in now. so send me a friend request,i'll ok it. and then i'll call you back andwe can go head-to-head. mike musto: this is gonna beso disappointing for you. ok, no problem. alex roy: i cannot believewhat i was just told. engine room says, mike "engineroom" musto said, this will be so disappointing for me.
it's ok, i haven't playedin a while but that's not an excuse. mike musto: what areyou driving? alex roy: well, i'm gonnadrive an audi r18. mike musto: oh. alex roy: what did you thinki was going to drive? mike musto: i don't know. i thought maybe it'd bean m5 or something. alex roy: no, no.
we're doing le mans. and we're sticking to le mansrules and the whole thing. mike musto: uh-- all right. that sounds fun. bye. leo parente: there'sa huge delay. good job. alex roy: [inaudible]
engine room. that really is a great name. male speaker: i love it. alex roy: no one'sused that before. male speaker: let'sgo with it. alex roy: i think my new outfithas given me a new lease on le manscoverage life. leo parente: that's startingto feel like adam carolla "loveline."
alex roy: you don'tlike my shirt? leo parente: i likeyour shirt. you stay here. i want to drive yourcar tonight. you don't expect me tocover this alone. i have no idea what'shappening. i don't know anythingabout racing. leo parente: yes, you do. that's bs.
alex roy: [inaudible]from shakedown. here's what you need toknow about racing. they're changing a lot ofparts right about now. a ton of cars. are coming in and out of thegarage, ton of repairs. there may not be rain on lemans, there certainly seems to be mistakes happeningin the dark. alex roy: tell me what happenedwith the morgan car. oh, there's two morgan cars.
leo parente: there'stwo morgan cars. let's check. one of them went into the tirewall and ended up resulting in a dnf, even after it gotback to the pits. alex roy: that sucks. leo parente: and i mayhave lost the whole-- no, here it is. alex roy: [inaudible] grabthis ipad cable. leo parente: sure.
mike is back. mike spinelli: hey. hi. i'm back. leo parente: hi, mike. mike spinelli: yeah. they closed downfort man-boobs. leo parente: why? mike spinelli: zoning issues.
leo parente: zoning issues? but i'm sure you've gotanother-- you know, you're getting very creativehere today. mike spinelli: i really justneed to defend this area. because there's nobodyleft over here, unless alex comes back. leo parente: what happened? mike spinelli: no. anyone can sit down here.
i'm fine with it. leo parente: so the p2 class ishaving a ton of turnaround. because now we've got ahonda in p1, same lap, followed by a nissan. am i talking too loud? mike spinelli: no,the echo's back. and the reason is that somethingjust happened. i don't know. leo parente: and suddenly allthe judds have fallen off the
radar here. mike spinelli: i know,especially ashley. leo parente: and all the-- no, she's a camera hound. i'm surprised she's fallenoff anything. mike spinelli: who'sthe sister? you know, for the longest time,i didn't realize ashley was part of the juddsinging family. mike spinelli: i know.
she's the non-embarrassment. alex roy: are you serious? leo parente: i swear to god. i did not know that. alex roy: you didn'tknow that? leo parente: i did not. i don't follow thejudd family. alex roy: but you followed herin the [inaudible] movie with morgan freeman, right?
leo parente: which one? mike spinelli: oh,it's fantastic. leo parente: which movie? mike spinelli: the wholething about the girls. uh-- kiss the girls. right? kiss the girls? mike spinelli: yes.
that's what it was. and what was the one where herhusband is framed for murder? alex roy: that wasa dirty one. mike spinelli: my husband isframed for murder and i'm-- alex roy: who framedroger rabbit? [laughter] leo parente: i can't find amorgan here on the list. are they no longer running? alex roy: wow, that echo reallyis becoming a problem.
leo parente: is thatwhat they said? alex roy: no, now it's fine. now it's fine. a, if anyone knows what happenedto the morgans, the second morgan is== mike spinelli: waita minute, morgan freeman and ashley judd? alex roy: what a coincidence. mike spinelli: hmm.
alex roy: that was bad. that was bad. leo parente: look how longit took me to catch up. mike spinelli: i'mjust saying. i think there's a movie there. leo parente: oh, no. i thought you were talkingabout the car? mike spinelli: i was. leo parente: morgan judd?
mike spinelli: that's right. [inaudible]-- mike spinelli: kiss the girls. sorry. alex was already there. i'm sorry. i've been away too longin fort man-boobs. alex roy: just stopbringing it up. mike spinelli: i haven'tbeen with people.
alex roy: just stop bring it uplike nixon and people will forget it happened. leo parente: have you been beenmonitoring the comments? and do they want to talkabout anything? alex roy: not what hejust brought up. mike spinelli: well, let'sput it this way-- they-- leo parente: there's nochocolate in these. mike spinelli: have nothing.
well, they, um-- letme see here. well, that's the thing withsomething pieces. we can't say it, by the way. we can't say it becauseit's a brand. leo parente: oh, really? mike spinelli: yeah, yeah. but the something pieces, youwould think that it had chocolate and peanut butter. but that's alwaysbeen the case,
they're just peanut butter. so they're just sort of-- leo parente: this is not good. mike spinelli: well, you'resupposed to eat them with m&ms. and then they're-- leo parente: you're supposedto mix them? leo parente: and by the way,isn't m&m a brand name? didn't you just screw up? mike spinelli: well, we'renot showing it here.
leo parente: oh, i see. mike spinelli: and m&ms havebecome kind of generalized, like kleenex. leo parente: they'relike aspirin. mike spinelli: or aspirin. leo parente: like aspirin,as in generic. mike spinelli: likebayer aspirin. kleenex brand kleenex. leo parente: alex, howmuch for that shirt?
alex roy: a lot of peopleare asking. we used to sell-- leo parente: 22nd placefor morgan. dare i say, this shirtwould be expensive. jf musial: alex, yourforza [inaudible]. alex roy: it's working? public? i just created a race. alex roy: did you createit as a public race?
jf musial: [inaudible]. alex roy: all right, guys. we're just minutes away fromme testing the forza setup. would you pay $50for this shirt? let me know in thecomments now. leo parente: you trying todig up money for dinner? alex roy: these shirts,by the way, i-- leo parente: do you havea supply of them? alex roy: i do have a supplyof these shirts.
and i also have a supply ofthese patches, all customized. what i don't understand is whythese racing teams sell such bad merchandise. it's a big moneymakerin formula one. leo parente: i had a client inthe design business that was all over that, oh mygod, why is the racing apparel so boring? and two things seem to sell. if you sell 100% accurateof a famous team,
you can make money. but if you sell something thathas more fashion design, you make money too. but you go down the midway ofany of these races, it's the most horrific stuffi've ever seen. mike spinelli: by theway, speaking of-- leo parente: horrific stuff? mike spinelli: horrific stuff. leo parente: the drive tvt-shirt you're wearing?
i just want to promote thedrive t-shirt with-- leo parente: hold it abovethe boob so we can-- mike spinelli: withboob inserts. it's actually boob inserts. i actually weigh 115 pounds. this is an entirely-- leo parente: thatis heavy cotton. that is a heavy-- mike spinelli: oh, yeah, yeah.
no, it's all sewn in. $12. by the way, $12 forthese shirts. alex roy: well, my shirt-- mike spinelli: how dowe get them, josh? alex roy: this shirtwould be about $75. leo parente: so that's$2 a font over there. mike spinelli: $2 athought, exactly. leo parente: notthought, font.
mike spinelli: oh, font? leo parente: see theslash, drive, $2. mike spinelli: josh, how wouldsomeone get a shirt like this? wait a minute, where arethe cameras pointed? where should i be looking? oh, over there? josh, where would someone whowould want a shirt like this with man-boob inserts-- male speaker: actually theman-boobs are extra.
it's $19.99 with man-boobs. mike spinelli: this is a customversion of this shirt. so it's $12-- male speaker: they'revery lifelike. leo parente: lifelike? male speaker: yeah. but we're only doing thoseon special order. we only have 200 pieces. alex roy: actually, that's100 sets, 200 boobs.
leo parente: right. alex roy: but in a case,relatively soon we're gonna get cleared by amazon fordistribution on the shirts. mike spinelli: right. alex roy: we havethem in stock. their priced at just above costto sell, really as a gift to our fans. i wish we could givethem away. but we will give some away.
leo parente: order now. delivery just in timefor christmas. mike spinelli: by the way-- leo parente: no? sooner than that? mike spinelli: i'm going tobring up another thing that all the commentators who arekind of new tend to do this. all the apple product they see,they sort of assume that it's some kind of productplacement.
and i just want to say, iappreciate that people would think that we would actually getapple product placement. you know what? because it's-- leo parente: at this juncture,who's to say we didn't? mike spinelli: who'sto say it? leo parente: who's to say? mike spinelli: exactly. we did get an--
male speaker: actually, butmicrosoft sponsored our curtain rigging set design. leo parente: oh, i get it. i get it. for those of you hangingaround here. let's remind everyone we'renot broadcasting the race, we're commenting and hangingout watching the race with you. mike spinelli: by the way,what's going on with ferrari?
which ferrari is out? leo parente: the ferrari thatcrashed was a pro-am car. and i don't mean to diminishthe category, but we still have in the pro side,i believe, the two ferraris one, two. mike spinelli: i just got acomment that ferrari's out. and i haven't-- leo parente: somehowi'll try catch up. mike spinelli: the feed'sa little wonky.
so i haven't seen it. and of course speed isn'tshowing it at the moment. leo parente: what arethey showing? mike spinelli: commercials. leo parente: and every time i goto radio le mans it's like listening to a united nationsfrench translator. no, i got ferrari is one andtwo and i'm pretty sure. and i think the car that crashedwas a pro-am car. mike spinelli: ok.
leo parente: so fisichella stillin the lead in his af corse ferrari 458. luxury racing, dominikfarnbacher, in second place. and jan magnussen, who was thesecond of the two corvettes, has elevated himself intoposition three. and guess what, they'reall on the lead lap. so corvette's never giveup, never say never-- their attitude. jf musial: some people areasking what happened to
corvette and also whereare you guys getting your feed from? alex roy: before we answerthat, [inaudible] some questions. this is a response to[inaudible], i own a playstation and i owngran turismo. and i don't enjoy playing it. the car selection's poor. it's a hassle.
and if you look at some of thesepublic statements on sales of the game, you'll seethat the marketplace bears out my reaction to the game. whereas the forza franchise hasbeen a consistent seller. it's repeat playabilityis there. and although i will concede thatit's not as absolutely rigid in its physicsmodel as gt5. it's infinitely more playable. at the end of the day,it's a game.
i know it. i want it to be fun asa game should be. if i wanted a sim, i'dget sim racing. jf musial: what's sim racing? i've never heard of that. leo parente: iracing,you mean? alex roy: simraceway. leo parente: simraceway? leo parente: got it.
alex roy: which i don't have. but when i have the time andmoney to invest in a real rig, that's where i'm gonna go. and not just becausei met gus. jf musial: i couldn't believehow fun, though, and addicting that karting track[inaudible]. alex roy: [inaudible]. and allan mcnish agrees. leo parente: go ahead.
alex roy: he agrees. in any case, we aregoing to do-- [inaudible], gt5's thehighest-selling racing game. leo parente: and mcdonald'ssells more hamburgers than a good place. alex roy: i can't say. what i read was that gt5 wasa disappointment to sony. is it the highest-sellingracing game overall? sure.
but did gt5 do as well aseveryone thought it would? no one i spoke to. but let's get back to what'sgoing to happen here. i don't dislike gran turismo,it's just not what we're going to be playing today. we're going to beplaying forza. so if you'd like to play me,then please post your gamer tag here and i will be parsingthem in the next 15 minutes and making a list and sendyou invitations soon.
leo parente: what were the twoquestions you had, jf? where were we watchingthe feed? are you referringto the audi tv? so the live in-car behindus is from auditv.com. male speaker: audi.tv. leo parente: audi.tv. there you go. google. that's what google's for.
but it is the audi official feedand they're carrying the in-car camera forthe entire race. and speed.com has the onlinefeed, as well as they are on-air right now. and then there are a coupleof other feeds to carry the live-- which basically, lemans.orgwhen you go to the live timing, they've got broadcastsup above the live timing and scoring, if that helps.
and that is where we are pickingup our live timing and scoring right now. i must say, it's not as goodas the f1, which gives me segment times througha given lap. and you can really see who'smaking time and who is not and where they're strong in a trackwhere they're weak. so we're kind of doing the bestwe can with timing and scoring from the officiallemans.org feed. really do want to see morecomments and we'll try to
answer your questions. besides the fact that alex, whydo you have a swedish flag on your shoulder? jf musial: and why is yourname in the gt5 credits? leo parente: me? jf musial: i'm asking. well, you go first. alex roy: your name'sin the gt5 credits? leo parente: yes.
alex roy: why? leo parente: why do youhave a swedish flag? go first. alex roy: before i answerthat, it's because-- leo parente: answer something. a $50 shirt, which now costs$75 because you asked that question, comes with full velcroremovable patches. every country, everythingfully customized. in this case, for my modestachievement of having the
guinness book of world recordcross-country driving time. and you can have a selectionof siberian border police patches. or in this case, kamchatkaborder police patches. and any country you want. sure juggles26 is the firston my list of drivers, not because his name issure juggles. but because he's thefirst response to post his gamer tag.
for all the people out there whosay they want to play me, i don't see a lot gamer tagscoming down the pipe. except for matt pastromney. mike spinelli: and the gent5. alex roy: wow. jf musial: key rule. don't leave that there. alex roy: i don't seem tobe able to reach it. jf musial: i know you.
alex roy: can you bringit back, please? jf musial: no. alex roy: well, theni'm leaving the set to go drink it. all right, gamer tags. what else do you seethere, spinelli? mike spinelli: uh-- ew velcro. that's not somebody'sgamer tag.
that's just somebody saying"ew, velcro." leo parente: how manycompetitors do you need to race? alex roy: one. leo parente: so, finally? alex roy: but i'm not drivingyet, i'm relaxing. i just got back. i'm marinating and psychingmyself up. oh, you know what?
i thought you guyswere kidding. ok, the question of whymy name was in gt5. i didn't realize it wasgoing to be in there. someone actually toldme after the fact. but apparently they put my namein there because i helped them put their deal togetherwith general motors and-- remember the corvette zr1and all those hot cars? leo parente: so i helped getthem together, one of their partnership things frompdcamarketing.com.
sales pitch. but yeah, much to my surprise. literally, someone emailed mesaying do you know your name is in there? and they sent me thescreen capture. and i called the people. i said, why'd you do that? and they said, well, besidesthe money, thanks. mike spinelli: yeah,there you go.
alex roy: most people would bereally proud of being listed in the credits ofgran turismo. leo parente: i didn't doany-- well, i did-- alex roy: yeah, you did. mike spinelli: oh, come on. you put them together. you're a network, what dothey call, a networker? a dot connector? alex roy: he's a connector.
mike spinelli: a connector,yeah. alex roy: now, i'm notin the credits. but i'm in a much moreunexpected place. if you go to, what is it? the class b automated race teammanagement in the game. you know what i'm talking,spinelli? yes. alex roy: and you select amongthe drivers, you know, [inaudible] driver selection?
and there's like 20or 30 stock names. and they're ranked by speed,charisma, reliability, i don't know what the criteria are. and a. roy is oneof the drivers. mike spinelli: you're kidding? alex roy: it's totallybizarre. mike spinelli: so i'm onlyin one weird spot. i'm in a death metalzine from 1988. but a brazilian one.
it's a brazilian death metalzine circa 1998. alex roy: yes. mike spinelli: that's all. that's all i got. alex roy: that's veryinteresting. let's talk about me again. so the comments here,[inaudible], simraceway is free. yes, it is free.
but you pay for cars. and if i had to pay. mike spinelli: wait a minute. audi off, audi crash,audi spun. what happened? leo parente: where? are you watching josh? or are watching the real show? mike spinelli: i'm watchingthe comments.
because my feed hasbeen acting up. leo parente: and for what it'sworth, i guess the corvette is back in p8 coming out ofthe pits after repair. so i know i'm being maybetoo aggressive with timing so much left. but it's down to magnussen tosave the day for corvette if they're going to win atle mans this year. mike spinelli: whatdo we got here? i don't see anythingon the feed yet.
i see car number threein the pits. mike spinelli: audi off,number three off. leo parente: well, it'sin the pits right now. mike spinelli: it was on thelive stream behind you. while we were blabbing. leo parente: really? is that what they said? mike spinelli: that'swhat they said. leo parente: so stop asking meabout my name in gran turismo.
mike spinelli: this is whathappens on hour 10 and 1/2. leo parente: no,you know what? i'm not using thatas an excuse. we just screwed up. who cares about your swedishflag and me being in gran turismo, let's watch the race. mike spinelli: it's dumas. leo parente: sorry. he's in the pit rightnow, though?
mike spinelli: is that a spin? wait, what's on there now? leo parente: pit stop. geez, a car was just cominginto the pits. dumas, car number three? so dumas is the car that'strying to catch up. he was in p6, at least on timingand scoring right now. so this did not affect the topthree positions in the race, which are the top three audi.
all right, i guess i haveto ask the obvious. are the fans getting bored thatit's going to be another audi domination? alex roy: i have to say rightoff the bat, i would be bored to tears with moreaudi domination. alex roy: i remember my dadwould watch le mans, he didn't really follow formula one. he cried when senna died, andthen maybe more than ten years ago i started followingformula one.
and this was at the endof schumacher's reign. and i wanted desperatelyto get into it. and i couldn't get into it. because even my friends who weregiving me the background were bored to tears and couldn'tdraw any enthusiasm for what was going on. so if you're a new fan ofracing, formula one today is what you want to be watching. leo parente: i was reallybothered by people criticizing
that vettel was dominant. he deserved it. he earned it. also, he just started. what? someone's not allowedto have a reign? it should be randomevery time? leo parente: but here's audi. they're having a reign.
they've earned that. they've earned it. [phone rings] alex roy: audi calling. [side conversation] alex roy: i am readingoff gamer tags. and i've got sure juggles, mattpastromney, jdm falcon, xxxp3, ltz viper, [inaudible],[inaudible], defcon luke, k2 the mog, colvic, muffin11, phantom, ali baba,
and you're own power. leo parente: how are you goingto make this decision? alex roy: well, i can fit ithink 10, 12, 15 people. so if you guys hang out, it'sgoing to take me a little bit to actually set allthat stuff up. leo parente: hey, josh? are we going to coverhis race? alex roy: well, i don'tknow how much we're going to cover it.
male speaker: let's seehow well [inaudible]. alex roy: and people areasking what the race-- male speaker: if he [inaudible]just terribly, i'm gonna point the camerathat way. alex roy: asking what the racerules will be for the race we're gonna do in forzaagainst me. leo parente: whattype of rules? what do you mean? alex roy: well, the rules aregoing to be-- we're going to
do four laps, in the le manscircuit, the current one. it's going to be restrictedto r1 class, so lmp1 cars. it's going to be forced absoff, traction on, forced manual gear box, allow upgrades,allow tuning upgrades, and allow suspensionupgrades. leo parente: oh, i seewhat you're doing. you're setting the specs. leo parente: how aboutcrash damage? how are you treating that?
alex roy: we're gonna dofull crash damage. and that's the way it is. leo parente: in sim racing-- i'm serious, i'm notas versed in this-- if you go full crash damage doesthat clean up the quality of driving. do people realizeyou can't bang? alex roy: no. in fact, what often happens isright off the starting line,
somebody just rams all the othercars and hopes that he's still running sufficientlyto keep going. and that's not going to belooked kindly upon by me. and i will insult you forthe next 12 hours. so while we are working ondownloading some things on the xbox, some updates,so standby. jason bordeaux, i just got yourmessage and i'll add your tag to the list. so, do me a favor.
don't add any more tagsto the list for now. because i've alreadygot 15, 16 people. but i will answer twoquick questions. the status of my m5? it's largely garaged. and i try drive a citroensm as my daily driver. and i just bought a morganthree-wheeler. so that's about it. eventually, someday if ihave kids, [inaudible]
m5. if not, i will give it to anautomotive museum that doesn't consider me a criminal. leo parente: there are fiveof those left, right? alex roy: i had to [inaudible]some automotive museums in the past. and i spoke at the fbi academyand brought the car there and put it on display. oh, my goodness.
we have the return ofraphael orlove. raphael orlove: hi. mike spinelli: by the way, justwant an update on anthony davidson's condition. he sustained fractures to hist11 and t12 vertebrae, which you know what? means that as bad asit is, he's lucky. he's very lucky. alex roy: he is.
i had an offer for myshirt of over $100. and i do have badges and patchesand other items. if you are interested in ashirt, please send me a private message on youtube. my account is alexroy144. send me a private message andi'll be glad to talk about it. leo parente: jan magnussen'scar is number 73, for the person asking. and jf was sendingme a pit board.
what was the signal there,i missed it? jf musial: break. leo parente: break right now? we can go to break. jf musial: soon. not right now, soon. leo parente: do you havethe list of videos? or am i looking at theremaining list? alex roy: black shinigami saysi forgot about him last year.
and i presume that you mean thati did not get around to racing against you. so i will add yourname to the list. and is your gamertag kuroshine? please let me know. and if it's something else ididn't get back to you on, then please send mea private message. youtube, my account'salexroy144. alex roy: leo, here'sa question.
i've always wantedto know this. how did you first getinvolved with automotive racing and marketing? so the short answer is, mymom and dad are college professors, i was going for mymba, i was teaching part time, but the school that i was goingto babson in wellesley, edsel ford was goingto undergraduate. so ford interviewed me. and i'd always thought thatmarketing was kind of bs and
the auto industry, or thebusiness, was whatever. in the auto industry, the onlycompany that interested me at the time was ford. so it became an interview thatwas put up or shut up. they made an offer. and rather than go teach,i joined them. they put me in their managementtraining program, which ended up being basicallysales and marketing. and off we went.
nine years with them, nineyears with toyota. ended up in corporateadvertising. started our own practice. alex roy: you make this soundall just so simple and pedestrian. leo parente: i never was a vpof anything, it was just a corporate food chain. and we went on and somewherein there we were exposed to racing. and somewhere in therei got a chance to drive.
and i raised money to sponsormyself and off we went. alex roy: that kind ofexplanation, if i was younger and i heard that, i would notever get into racing or marketing based on that. leo parente: good. and we're going to-- leo parente: here's the deal. it ain't about me. and we're going to break.
leo parente: and for anothertime, people. alex roy: when jf raises thepurple paper in his hand. mike spinelli: by the way,what are we going to talk about now that i finallyget the big chair. and now what? what do we talk about? alex roy: well, as ned starklearned when he received the pin of the hand of the king. sitting in the big chair--
mike spinelli: oh, leo's back. leo parente: i'm goingto the bathroom. is this? that's off. yeah. make sure that thing is off. male speaker: race update? race action? mike spinelli: race action.
by the way, now that i left mylaptop over there, i have to-- well, audi's still-- raphael orlove: do you want meto read off what's going on? could you take care of that? raphael orlove: happily. so with 184 laps, the e-tronquattro of fassler is up in position one, followed by thee-tron quattro of kristensen just down on the same lap. again, followed by the thirdaudi r18 ultra and then the
two lola-toyotas. and so that's p1. so the plain r18 ultrais two laps down. the lolas are sixand eight down. on to lmp2. it is the honda whichis up at 172 laps. they're in firstplace for lmp2. followed by a brace of nissanorecas running the next, what is that?
five cars. on to the gt cars, gte pro. it is, wow, it's the 458s are inthe first three positions, each on the same lap. and just behind them on the samelap is the corvette of magnussen and then astonmartin racing is a lap down from them. then in gte am, it is the imsaperformance porsche 911 rsr followed by a corvette andthen two ferrari 458s.
mike spinelli: cool. alex roy: i would like to justinterrupt the flow of that topic by reading my nomineefor comment of the day. comment of the day-- hey, drive guys. do you have any experiencerunning lexan rear windshields? specifically, can you mount itwith adhesive to carbon fiber, or do you need screws?
this is for an illegalstreet car. thanks a lot. that's from f1 villain. back to the race car action. mike spinelli: well, f1 villain,i tend to go with epoxy for these circumstances,or these needs. your needs will be takencare of by epoxy. and i'm sorry touse the passive voice in that sentence.
alex roy: the peasant voice? mike spinelli: the passive-- passive peasant voice. raphael orlove: just rememberto take out your armrests to save weight. mike spinelli: justdon't forget to take off your armrests. alex roy: i say you shouldremove the driver's seat all together and go formore dynamic--
raphael orlove: you could belike the fastest indian and just lie down, steerlike that. mike spinelli: i sayuse chicken wire. it always worked for me. alex roy: and i see that thecorn tower has just remarked that alex has truly raisedthe level of discourse. mike spinelli: thank heavens. raphael orlove: [inaudible]which are not true. corn tower.
back to racing coverage. mike spinelli: racingcoverage. raphael orlove: i've been outfor the past hour and 1/2. can you guys tell mewhat happened? mike spinelli: well,i made a fort. raphael orlove: did anythinginteresting happen in france, mike? mike spinelli: therewas an accident. raphael orlove: really?
mike spinelli: i peedin my pants. alex roy: no, seriously. if you're gonna sit here, you'regonna sit in leo's chair, you-- mike spinelli: you mean i haveto actually do stuff? alex roy: you actuallyhave to do-- mike spinelli: all right. all right, all right. let's talk about racing.
alex roy: now, give useverything that's happened up until now. i'll start. this is the 25 hours of the24 hours of le mans. mike spinelli of jalopnik,raphael orlove who knows more than the other two peoplesitting on camera right now. mike spinelli: combined. alex roy: alex roy herefor comic levity. now the deltawing'sout, which is sad.
because i wanted to see itfinish just to prove a point. we have one of thetoyotas is out. they're both out. mike spinelli: both out. alex roy: they're done. raphael orlove: what? the other toyota's out? mike spinelli: thatwas the news. alex roy: do you even knowwhat's going on here?
raphael orlove: i thoughthe was just down? mike spinelli: down and out. raphael orlove: justdown many laps. mike spinelli: hey, leo? leo parente: uh, yeah? mike spinelli: toyota. what happened to the thenumber seven toyota? raphael orlove: they'restill in it, just 30 laps down, right?
mike spinelli: they're30 laps down? they're out. both toyotas-- raphael orlove: bothtoyotas are out? mike spinelli: see,i told you. i told you i knew whati was doing. raphael orlove: this is whathappens when i go eat dinner. leo parente: [inaudible]. i'm over here.
mike spinelli: no, no, no. you come over here. my mic is not on. mike spinelli: yourmic should be on. because i need to go backto the chair of levity. i need to-- raphael orlove: do youwant this chair? alex roy: i've beenasked what's happening at 32:07, guys.
leo parente: i literally wasgoing to take a break, but ok. mike spinelli: oh, you wantedto take a break? all right, no. so we'll actually-- you want me to get serious? i'll be serious. alex roy: leo, just walk away. raphael orlove: canyou hear me now? mike spinelli: i'llbe serious.
there was a cooling mechanicalproblem with the number seven car. they've been in andout of the pits. mike spinelli: but it's dnf. leo parente: finally retired,both cars are done. mike spinelli: bothcars are done. raphael orlove: no way. leo parente: too much glad-handing, but they're done.
alex roy: we've beentold, enough of audi-dominated le mans. move on. well, great. we can talk about whatever wewant for the next nine hours. mike spinelli: well, that's kindof why we started with all the other stuff,is that it-- alex roy: well, wait. who else is there inlmp1 still running?
mike spinelli: oreca? leo parente: you're [laughing] raphael orlove: no, inlmp1 it's the 'yotas. p1 is also gas-powered. so you've got the [inaudible]. i-- leo parente: there probablyis an oreca somewhere. jf musial: [inaudible]now or toyota now? leo parente: they're dnf.
dnf. jf musial: oh, they're done? leo parente: they'redone-done. mike spinelli: oh, wait. you didn't know, either? jf musial: no, i thought theywere down, like we said the race was over as in there'sno hope for them. but i didn't knowthey were out. leo parente: yeah, they'reboth retired.
jf musial: oh, man. raphael orlove: yeah,that sucks. [phone ringing] wow. alex roy: i believe this issean heckman of the media barons, the oldest pr firm inautomotive racing in the world, from the days of unicyclejousting, sean heckman, of the media barons. sean heckman: dude,this is sad.
alex roy: who is this? sean heckman: who doyou think it is? alex roy: this issean heckman? sean heckman: yes. alex roy: why is it sad? are you referring tothe race or what i said about your company? sean heckman: no, you,specifically. alex roy: oh, sorry.
sean heckman: no. that's all right. no, i'll forgive you. alex roy: no, really. people love it, though. that's fine. look, i know nothingabout entertaining as much as you do. so i will just sitback and enjoy.
alex roy: can [inaudible]hear what he's saying? male speaker: what? alex roy: can anyone hear-- heckman's not-- alex roy: he can beheard on the-- male speaker: yes. alex roy: on the engineroom phone? male speaker: right, yes. alex roy: sean, i'm sorry.
i didn't mean to makelight of your company, the media barons. sean heckman: well, that's[inaudible]. it's very sad. because we are bothmostly global. and we have a staff of thousandsad we've been around for centuries, as you said. so he did hear me say they'vebeen around for centuries, since the days of unicyclejousting.
mike spinelli: yes,[inaudible]. alex roy: well, if you werecalled the media chamberlains, i might have taken youmore seriously. hey, listen, heckman. you're one of myfavorite folks. you, unlike everyone else hereexcept leo, actually did race professionally. and so you know, obviously, waymore than the founder of jalopnik over here,mike spinelli.
mike spinelli: no, it's-- continue. alex roy: now that the toyotasare out, do you really intend to stay up all night andwatch this race? sean heckman: oh, god, no. no, not at all, to be honest. i got to be honest, and i'm alittle bit biased out here, but to me there was nevergoing to be an issue there was no question as towhether or not the audi's were
gonna win it anyway. the toyotas always made itpublic that they were making a valiant effort but they knewthis was their first year and it wasn't gonna be a yearthey could win. so when the peugeots pulledout six months ago, we all knew this was what therace going to be. and to be honest, sort of gt. it appears this is a race that'sgonna be, i hate saying it, but a fairly average race.
alex roy: so you're telling methat you were waiting for both toyotas to dnf so youcould go to sleep? sean heckman: both the factorytoyotas have pulled in. now there are gas-poweredtoyotas still in there from rebellion. and if there's a story in p1to watch, it's actually the rebellion team. rebellion is actuallya really-- i don't mean to sort of make itabout racing here, because
i know we're talkingabout unicycle jousting and man-boobs. but rebellion is actually areally, really quality team. and right now [inaudible] to run on what we call apetrol-powered car is almost impossible to be competitive. and the fact they're sort ofknocking on the door to the podium, that alonewould be a win. and in the second car, rightnow, jeroen bleekemolen is one
of the drivers. he's actually got a lot ofcousins out here in the us running alms, and grand am. and he's really, reallytalented. so stateside, those of us who'vebeen following alms and grand am should definitelybe rooting for that car, the number 13. alex roy: so the next questionthen, is you obviously think davidson was innocent in thatbump he had earlier today?
sean heckman: i haveto apologize. i could barely hear a wordyou were saying. you're breaking up. alex roy: davidson. and the davidson crash. sean heckman: davidson, yes. alex roy: what is it withthe ferrari am drivers hitting lmp1 cars? here's the thing.
i have two very strongopinions on this. there are a lot of people whoare very critical of gt am. and the bottom is, i thinkpeople who are critical aren't necessarily aware of thebusiness reality of 2/3 of the paddock in sports carracing right now. the truth is, 2/3 of the paddockare funded simply because we have driverswho can quite frankly afford to do it. and they're not alwaysthe fastest.
but they keep it going. and they keep a lot of guysemployed beyond just entertaining fans. so the gt am category isdefinitely a necessary evil. but at the same time, i mean,this is the second year in a row where we've hadmassive accidents. we're lucky no one has beenseriously injured. because we're essentially justwaiting for that to happen before we do somethingabout it.
and that's the thingthat concerns me. what i would be in favor of,moving forward, is i would see some sort of minimum speed,or minimum percentage, or something to that effect. so that if a gt am driver isgonna be out there-- and again, that's an evil we allhave to embrace, because that's just the nature ofthis kind of racing-- but it would be really nice tosee them uphold themselves to a certain standard.
and if they can't maintain acertain pace, chances are they're probably not safeenough to be out there. and maybe we can avoidsome of the incidents we've been having. alex roy: what happened to theguy last year who had the rockenfeller. sean heckman: again,i'm sorry. we're gonna have to go backto the engine room. alex roy: sorry.
what was the name of? i forget his name. i'll have to look him up. but last year there was the-- leo parente: kaufmann,kaufmann. alex roy: kaufmann? he's racing this year. sean heckman: rob kaufmann. rob kaufmann is a perfectexample of sort of the
necessary evil. but rob kaufmann, as a gentlemandriver so to speak, he's a big part of a lot oforganizations stateside. not just with the af waltripcorse team, but also he's a big part of what's keepingnascar going with the two teams. obviously, with the michaelwaltrip connection. but he's a perfect example ofyou need him in the sport like this to keep it funded,to keep it exciting.
but there needs to be some sortof rule set where if he can't maintain a certain pace,or does anything that's demonstrable to somebodythat's sort of driving recklessly or with a lack ofawareness of what's coming up behind him, then again weneed to regulate that. but it's easier saidthan done. because we can't do away withthat kind of category. because we need those guysto keep the [inaudible] teams healthy.
alex roy: well, kaufmannand parazini. it looked like these guys areactually pretty experienced drivers, even if they aretechnically am drivers. and so by any standard ofminimum speed you think necessary, these guys wouldprobably have met it. is that not true? sean heckman: you know? i don't actually knowthat that's true. because experience, to me,when it comes to older
drivers, doesn't alwaysmean a whole lot. i don't really want to name anynames, just for the sake of my own business. but i know guys who have beenracing for a long time. but yet they still can'tmanage to keep the car on the road. and so there should be a rulethat if they manage to go off the road a couple of timesduring their stint, or if they can't maintain a minimum speed--and there are guys,
there are guys that we arewatching right now who are actually doing very wellin the am category-- who quite frankly area danger, still. and it's only going to takeone of the instances to go horrifically bad that we'refinally gonna realize the danger in that. but i don't necessarily that allthese guys would be able to maintain a minimum speed. but it doesn't have tonecessarily be that.
i'm not saying a minimumspeed is the answer. i'm saying some sort of policingsystem, where if they go off the road x number oftimes or if they do x number of maneuvers that are considereddangerous, or not in the best interests of afaster field coming up, then we have to bench them. or we have to sit them down foran hour or two and force them out of the carand come back. again, i'm not saying theseare the right answers.
i am saying there needs to besomething that we can do to keep these guys here but makesure we're keeping a certain level of safety in mind. mike spinelli: we got to doa top-of-the-hour break. we have to do a top-of-the-hourbreak. but i actually, am feeling veryembarrassed suddenly. because having known seanheckman through work, and a little bit socially, i washoping to have more of a freewheeling chat with him.
but in the absence of leo,heckman becomes the most knowledgeable and helpful personwe could possibly have. mike spinelli: absolutely. alex roy: so i'm hoping thatwe can reconnect with you sooner rather than later. are you gonna be aroundthe next hour or two? keep him on the phone? sean heckman: i'm happy totake it off about racing. we don't have to talk aboutracing, [inaudible].
whatever you guys want. alex roy: no, i wouldlike very much to talk about racing. could you do a recap? mike spinelli: we're breakingfor drive's 25 hours of the 24 hours of le mans. stay with us. we're just breakinga little while. mike spinelli: hey, you'rewatching 25 hours of the 24
hours of le mans with drive. i'm mike spinelli. jf musial: hey, mike. leo parente: hi, jf. jf musial's here. jf musial: it feels like[inaudible] right here. it does feel a lotlike [inaudible]. we sort of took over. leo's taking a break to play alittle bit of gran turismo.
i mean, i'm sorry, forza. jf musial: forza. watch the [inaudible]. mike spinelli: alex istaking a pee break. but he's coming back. alex roy: he took tookmy coffee and now jf took my seat. jf musial: it's over there. mike spinelli: jftook his seat.
so there's a littlebit of a problem. alex roy: heckman'son the phone. and i wanted to ask him aboutsignalling systems. jf musial: come on in. mike spinelli: come on in. let me just recap. toyota is out. audi's dominating lmp1. rebellion racing'sdown a few laps.
but do they have a shotat taking one of the podium spots? alex roy: they have no shot. let's talk to heckman. it's more interesting. he knows what he'stalking about. mike spinelli: i'm justwrapping it up. now you talk to heckman. alex roy: if we have the bestracing [inaudible].
sean, hello. sean heckman: that'sa complete lie. i'm a pr guy, i'm just goodat making it up as i go. alex roy: sean heckman claimshe's only a pr guy. but he's not. he raced professionallyhimself. so he knows what it's liketo get behind the wheel. and he actually knows how toshoot content about racing and has many clients to prove it,including trg, which is a
whole 'nother operation. sean heckman: trg, actually nottrue anymore, by the way. well, that doesn'tmatter right now. so sean, the accident last yearwith rockenfeller and the accident today with davidson. so we were talking earlierabout the rules of basic passing, the protocols ofrace craft and getting through race traffic. what, if any, improvement hastaken place in terms of
signalling in such situations,other than installing brighter lights. because the case could be madethat in the rockenfeller accident last year, the lightswere so bright that when the audi was approachingthe ferrari-- [inaudible] was approaching,that it was so bright that the car he was approaching couldnot discern distance of the approaching car. so other than installingbrighter lights or flash
systems, is there anythingto be done about this? is there a technologicalsolution that's been considered and rejected? is there anything elseto be done here? harsher judgements-- sean heckman: it's easy for meto say this because i'm not the guy driving the car. but no. lights are lights,and they work.
there could be [inaudible] hasa light that's too bright, [inaudible] maybe wouldn'tknow it was coming. or if something was completelyoff, but then that becomes the problem the guy behind you. but i mean rockenfeller's casewas a perfect example. as was the one that happenedtoday with davidson. which is, we call it in racinga predictable line. it is both the responsibilityof the guy that's coming but also the guy that's gettingpassed to drive in a
predictable fashion, theneverybody knows where you're going. so davidson, for example,heading into the mulsanne corner, was clearly insideof the ferrari. and the ferrari still seemedto move over and hit him in the left rear. and that's a case of not drivinga predictable line. davidson sort of made it clear,in the way that he juked to the inside thathe was going there.
the ferrari gave him the roomand then cut in for no explicable reason. that was, of course,during daylight. so you can't really blameheadlights for it. but in the case ofrockenfeller's accident last year, no. it just comes down to thefact that you've got-- it's a little bit of bothpeople's responsibility-- essentially am drivers.
because if you notice in allof these incidents they've come from the gt am category andnever from a quote-unquote pro driver within that lineup. so in the case of the ferrarihere that crashed. it was one of theiramateur guys. it was not the guy whois a designated pro. because the pros, even thoughthey're in treacherously slow cars compared to some of thesep1 cars, the rate of difference approaching isn't sobad, so long as you drive
in a predictable fashion. if you make it very clear as agt car that you're turning, or that you're leaving room,or [inaudible] that you're going to brake. [inaudible] doesn't come toputting a hand signal up, putting a light or somethinglike that on there. it becomes clearly tojust driving in a predictable fashion. everybody here knowsthis track.
everybody knows the line. everybody knows more or lesswhat gt cars do, what p1 cars do, what p2 cars do. and therefore, they know howto act accordingly, if they are able to maintain a certainspeed and a certain amount of sensibility as they drive. so it really comes down to whati call that predictable line and making sure you havedrivers who understand how to make it clear that they're goingto stay wide or that
they're going to cutto the inside, or whatever the scenario. alex roy: i have anotherquestion for you. and i hope you don't mindthese questions. but there's no oneto ask but you. sean heckman: sure. oh, look at the [inaudible]. sean heckman: we can makemore steve coogan jokes. mike spinelli: the number74 'vette's been in
the pits for a while. [inaudible] having it's-- alex roy: hold that thought. because i have heckmannow and i want hear his answer to this. sean, when you havean accident-- alex roy: well, no, in fact, iwill let facts get in the way. would you like to ask him aboutthe corvette situation? is he on the ground?
alex roy: what wouldyou like me to ask? he's in la right now. then continue. alex roy: when you have aserious accident and there is some question over theresponsibility of a driver. what exactly happens in terms ofa hearing, or reevaluation of the racing license? and when has there been arepercussion that changed the course of a driver's career?
sean heckman: it's probably notfair for me to answer that relative to the aco and the 24hours of le mans because i've never been in that situation. nor do i know anybody who'sgone through it. but the short answerto that is every series is very different. nascar, for example, does havea very clear review policy. if somebody's out of line, youdo what's called getting called into the hauler.
grand am and alms havetheir own procedures. indycar has a differentprocedure. there's two things that aguy never wants to hear that he's bad at. and racing is the other thing,or driving is the other thing. and so you're never gonna hear aguy admit responsibility for the fact that he should havedone something different when it comes to an accident. and that's why we haveofficiating, to be there.
but the specifics to whatthe aco should do with respect to le mans. how to justify who was at fault,who should have backed off, who should have not backedoff, or whatever? there's no easy wayto police that. that's up to the series and thetrack marshals to do that. [audio glitch] sean heckman: and literallyevery series has something different.
nascar from formula one toindycar, they all have their own different policies. some work better than others. but [inaudible] different dynamic, whichi know it's not really answering it per se. but there is no easyway to judge that. alex roy: actually, youdid kind of answer it. because the whole time, icouldn't stop thinking about
the greatest disservice thatracing fans have been served by hollywood and racing filmsis not the quality of the special effects, which are crap,or the plots, which are mostly crap, but thedepiction of the personalities of the drivers. because invariably, it seemslike every hollywood racing movie it's always, he justcan't dial it back. rubbing is racing. let's get whatever, andblah blah blah.
but if anyone actually drovelike tom cruise in days of thunder, would he keephis racing license? sean heckman: well, in fairness,i actually learned a lot about driving fromdays of thunder. for example, if you need to passa guy, you just need to shift gears. alex roy: yeah that'svery interesting. sean heckman: i mean, if youwant to go wide or go high on a guy-- hopefully [inaudible]the tire there.
but the truth is, you just haveto put your foot all the way down on the floorand you'll get around him quite easy. it's amazing. my last question has to do withthe movie le mans, which i just watched. and after watching it, iwatched truth in 24 ii. and then i was looking up audi'shistoric drivers and i saw that frank biela, right?
frank biela, i'm pronouncingit correctly? that he had an accident where hestruck another car in 1995 that had already spun out. and he struck it and killedthe other driver. do you know the story of that? sean heckman: i do knowthe story, actually. alex roy: and i had neverheard that story before. but biela went on towin many races. and that seemed to be anhonest racing accident.
has anything likethat occurred at le mans since 1955? not that i know. well, we did lose a driverat le mans in a testing accidental. we lost-- crap, i can't thinkof his name now. but it was in an audi actually,the old r8. a tire went downat [inaudible].
this was like 1999 or 2000. and i for the life of me, ofcourse as soon as i'm on the air, i can't thinkof who it was. a very talented driver. i don't think we've had a fatal accident during the race. and we certainly haven't seenanything in terms of side impacts or two guys gettingtogether that led to something fatal.
but having said that, theclosing rates and the differences in speed betweensome of these p1 cars and these gt am cars is so highthat we are asking for it. i mean, it's no different thanif you look at indycar for the last 10 years and them racing onthe one and 1/2 mile ovals. we knew there was gonna bea tragic accident coming. and it wasn't until we actuallyhad one last october that we did anything about it. and i really feel like we'reseeing something very similar
right now, where we know thesebig accidents are coming. we've already seen a few. and it's not gonna be untilsomething really bad happens that we're gonna finallydo something about it. alex roy: well, sean, thankyou so much for bringing reason and lucidity toour proceedings. i will now lower level thediscourse by thanking you and ending this call. sean heckman: go for it.
alex roy: but we'll be in touchwith you to maybe chat it up with you a littlelater tonight if you are still awake. sean heckman: if i'm awakeand not [inaudible]. alex roy: you're the king. thanks. and i will not make toomuch more fun of you. i promise every referencewill be in the context of game of thrones.
sean heckman: [laughing] well, you can always make funof me, roy, i'll just come right back. alex roy: but heckman,but i love you. sean heckman: all right. love you too. alex roy: thanks so much. so sean heckman, president ofmedia barons and all-around great guy who ran-- didn'the drive in f3 or
what'd he drive in? male speaker: japan. alex roy: in japan? male speaker: yeah,i think so. alex roy: that's why he's notplaying sims with us because he will kick ourfracking asses. mike spinelli: he isout of our league. or we are out of his league. alex roy: so what happenedwhile i was gone?
mike spinelli: well-- raphael orlove: in thegame of le mans. mike spinelli: westbrook'scorvette-- alex roy: in the game of lemans, you pass or you die. mike spinelli: so corvette'sin the pits. raphael orlove: i alsowatch that show. mike spinelli: hey, hey, hey. race. race is on.
corvette's in the pits. the steering rack. alex roy: really? but it's-- alex roy: oh, yeah. no, they're-- wow. mike spinelli: it'sthe 74 corvette. oh, they're down. they're way down and they'vebeen in the pits for about at
least as long as alex was onthe call with heckman. alex roy: and what'sup with 73? raphael orlove: themagnussen car? it went down with a disc. [inaudible] they replacinga disc? mike spinelli: 73 is now-- 73 is in the pit, too. you right. you're absolutely correct.
and then we've got fisichella's ferrari driver change. he apparently spun but we didn'tget the feed on that. but that's what's happening. guys, forza. as you could see, iwas on the phone. now i'm off the phone. i'm going to go to the fireescape to do what a man does when the bathroom's locked.
and when i return, we willsettle into forza. and we will see manhooddefined by-- jf musial: you're 15 minutesinto your hour. alex roy: what hour? jf musial: you gottado a sting. alex roy: what? alex roy: why don't you relax? so i see we're having clips ofold le mans races being shown on speed and footage fromle mans the film.
and in an amazing coincidence ijust saw that the ford gt40 used as the camera car in themovie le mans is up for sale. and actually, what's reallyinteresting about that film is that you don't see anygt40s in it anywhere. and it's never said that whatyear the race or the movie's supposed to be taking place. obviously it's 1971, 1970, butit's ferrari and porsche. mike spinelli: now is it thesame gt40 that was used in the filming of grand prix.
alex roy: i don't believe-- mike spinelli: becausethat was a gt40 also. alex roy: i don't know. however, the car, which has anincredible history, including a lot of wheel time for stevemcqueen in it, clearly saw some of the coolest drivingaction of all time. and in an indication ofhow much it's going to cost to buy the car-- you can't believe that i knowanything about anything?
i was not even sayinganything about you. i was talking about the chat. alex roy: is that i willnow see if they're talking about me. oh. i have to admit, they're payingmore attention to the live stream after i tookthe pilot seat. anyway, so the car was used notjust for the filming but was owned and restoredto its original spec.
so it might be, other than oneof the race-winning cars, one of the most valuablegt40s ever built. and today, if you want to buythat car, and i'll go find the link somewhere, they will notquote you a starting bid. serious inquiries only. mike spinelli: if you have toask, you can't afford it. alex roy: will it be you? will it be you? mike spinelli: it won't be me.
alex roy: anyway. mike spinelli: unlessi could unload fort man-boobs for a profit. male speaker: [inaudible] haswalked into the room with dunkin donuts. alex roy: is that jordan vega? who is that? we right now have jordan vegajust entered, who is an old friend, a member of teampolizei, and the drive team.
and more importantly, who'salso a [inaudible] kick boxer. so if you have anycomments that-- mike spinelli: and he apparentlybrought donuts, which is the official mealof fort man-boobs. oh, look at comments. for the love of the break,please break out the whiskey. no one has any idea whatalex is talking about. girth concealment check.
and that's why alexis the best. mike spinelli: girthconcealment check. am i gonna have to go andbuild another fort? i'd like to build afort over here. but there's just notenough material. materiel. male speaker: we have a redvelvet curtain behind you. mike spinelli: yeah,we have a curtain. i mean, i could--
male speaker: no, no. below the tv. alex roy: wait. there's a great quotefrom mp4f1. great quote from speed. excuse me, i was speaking. you should listento my wisdom. ok? david hobbs just saidthe following--
we are charged with bringingin the non-racing fan. so we don't get to doanything really interesting with racing. mike spinelli: what? alex roy: that's unbelievable. jf musial: david hobbs didnot just say that. alex roy: yeah he did. jf musial: is he in ourcomments right now? alex roy: what happened to theguys who were on an hour ago?
you mean leo parente, who is thedonald rumsfeld of racing coverage in that every time hesits down and looks at who's across the table, he says tohimself, i guess you cover racing with the hostsyou have. mike spinelli: not the hostsyou wish you had. he's dealing with a lotof known unknowns. alex roy: well, you have to saythat my presence, right or wrong, is both controversialand-- what are you scratching yourhead-- every time i look over
it's like looking at the guysin muppet show in the box. raphael orlove: we're just hereto give you questionable looks so you doubt everythingyou've ever done in your entire life. alex roy: [inaudible]we ask for fictional histories of le mans. mike spinelli: mike, we'resaying sit under the table. that's your fort. mike spinelli: well, did youknow that thomas jefferson was
actually the very first personever to race at le mans? you know that? he-- alex roy: but not ina car, though? mike spinelli: no, really. thomas jefferson didnot drive a car. jf musial: this is going somewhere, let's pay attention. male speaker: was itlike a foot race?
mike spinelli: [inaudible] ina foot race with benjamin franklin over a woman. alex roy: that's not true. mike spinelli: hername was cherie. male speaker: dude, if thisis some made-up history-- i'm serious. alex roy: made-up history mustbe based in reality. not on this side of the desk. alex roy: the truth is thatvoltaire was the first.
male speaker: voltairewas the woman. alex roy: and hesubsequently-- mike spinelli: is who theywere fighting over. reason. they were fighting overthe-- the-- the-- jf musial: this neverhappened. this never happened here. are we gonna waste thetime to handle that? male speaker: hey, hey.
did you really startto google that? male speaker: of course. male speaker: thomas jefferson,le mans, race. mike spinelli: foot race. thomas jefferson ran lemans in a foot race. male speaker: how'sthe feed going? alex roy: the comments hereare, "did you know abraham lincoln was a vampire hunter?" and raphael orlove, never heardof that guy, said, "alex
roy's wisdom-- questionable." raphael orlove: i wouldnever say that. obviously, it's animpersonator. alex roy: [inaudible], "yes,it's true jefferson owned slaves, which is why it'soffensive that you suggested he was the first racerat le mans. because as you know, the french-and i lived in france for a time--
will tell you that they neverlost a war and no great american who loved franceever owned a slave. mike spinelli: except forthomas jefferson. alex roy: can leo please returnand take my seat? mike spinelli: no, no. but do you k now that thereis a racing connection? thomas edison-- thomas edison. thomas jefferson livedin monticello.
mike spinelli: it's a differentpronunciation of monticello-- alex roy: which is where theyhave the track today. mike spinelli: which is aracetrack in upstate new york. alex roy: for the first timeever, i can honestly say that my knowledge of racinghas diminished. raphael orlove: [inaudible]actually listening alex roy: i'm going to goover there and let jf take the seat over.
because i've been asked by thefans to go to the fire escape. jf musial: really? mike spinelli: alex roy. jf musial: hey, jordanvega, join us. male speaker: [inaudible]watch the race, vega? jordan vega: parts of it. then nascar came on,i had to tune. and then caught the updatesfrom you, saw the crashes online with the highlights.
and now [inaudible] over at dunkin donuts beforecoming over here. mike spinelli: by the way, thatdeserves some applause. donuts being, as i mentioned,the official meal of the man-boobs kingdom. jordan vega: it's anannual occurrence. this is much better than yourapartment setup [inaudible] last year. well--
jordan vega: i feel like i'mat my apartment right now. mike spinelli: this is sortof apartment-like. raphael orlove: it'spretty wonderful. jordan vega: is thisreal pleather? mike spinelli: it was pleatheruntil raphael peed on it. and now i don't knowwhat it is. male speaker: you're sittingreal close over there. raphael orlove: shouldi not sit this close? mike spinelli: lookat the monitor.
raphael orlove: i've [inaudible]never met this man before in my life. jordan vega: jordan vega. raphael orlove: raphael orlove,it's a pleasure. jordan vega: how you doing? raphael orlove: ido very well. here's a question. how quick are the pit stopsin le mans, generally? jf musial: so many comments.
it depends on if it's a driverchange with fuel-- mike spinelli: justdriver change. jf musial: with fuelor without fuel? because you cannot-- mike spinelli: driverchange, no fuel. jf musial: you can'tdo a driver change while fueling the car. you have to do-- driver change, no fuel.
how many seconds? jf musial: depends onhow good they are. mike spinelli: goodto average? come on. jf musial: eight seconds. mike spinelli: eight seconds? driver change? i doubt that highly. jf musial: what?
mike spinelli: 10 seconds. jf musial: ok. mike spinelli: those twoseconds, that's when you plug the transponder back in,the last two seconds. so maybe 15 seconds. so how about with fuel? no tires. jf musial: 40 seconds. mike spinelli: 40 seconds.
mike spinelli: fuel and tires? jf musial: probablya good 60 seconds. the delta will probablybe a 90-second window. because they've got the-- mike spinelli: fuel, tires,and half shaft. go. jf musial: hold on-- mike spinelli: no,i'm kidding. jf musial: fuel, tire,and half shaft?
mike spinelli: i don't know. i don't know what i'm saying. raph, can you lookthat up please? raphael orlove: lengthof pit stops? mike spinelli: yep. beer pong is the nexttopic of discussion. alex roy: now when return we'regonna be discussing car livery versus camouflage-- theories on future strategiesfor victory.
jordan vega: still? this is two yearsin the making. this should have been ashakedown topic last week. mike spinelli: by the way,buccaneer is correct. 25 seconds for adriver change. 10 seconds would be like twojackrabbits having very, very, very, very quick sex. alex roy: [inaudible] would belike changing the helmet livery to pretend.
mike spinelli: 25 seconds. jf musial: the recapping of whateveryone's position is. as i scratch my poisonivy on my ankle. mike spinelli: did yousay poison ivy? jf musial: hey, want some? poison oak, actually. mike spinelli: youjust had sumac or something, didn't you? jf musial: that wasthree years ago, i
ended up in the hospital. mike spinelli: didn't youjust have it recently. raphael orlove: routine pitstop, no scheduled maintenance generally lasts 30to 40 seconds. that's without adriver change. mike spinelli: 30 to 40 seconds,routine maintenance? what is that? raphael orlove: no. so if nothing is going, noroutine maintenance, no driver
change, 30 to 40 seconds. add another 10 secondsfor a driver change. jf musial: 73 corvetteleaving the pits just had a left disc change. front rotor replaced out. is that your guy? mike spinelli: lucasordonez, yeah. jf musial: we're going to do anupdate here on who's where. let's start off with--
with one do you want to do? gt or lmp? mike spinelli: let's do gt. because lmp is sort of-- jf musial: i'll startoff with lmp. you go to gt, all right? lmp, the audi r18 e-tronquattro, the number one is in p1. with the number two in p2 withallan mcnish behind the wheel.
and the audi sport north americar18 ultra number four is running third. the other ultra with romaindumas is 10 laps back. so that's where we standright now in lmp. well right now corvette is kindof rebounding from two very long pit stops. they had a disc changeon one of the cars. the other one had a steeringrack change. apparently the 73 car--
jf musial: the 51, the af corseferrari 458 italia is 22 laps behind the p1 leaders butis running p1 in gt pro. while the 458 italia of luxuryracing, number 59, is p2. with the aston martin vantagewith turner behind the wheel is p3, one lap back. looks like the 74 corvette c6.rof milner and westbrook is in the garage right now. let's see what'sgoing on here. speed has just turnedtheir coverage back
on for us in america. if you care anythingabout that. mike spinelli: [inaudible]could figure out the corvettes. but definitely ferraris arestill leading, aston martin in p3 as you mentioned. jf musial: so exiting pit laneright now is one of the ferraris, i think it's the 61. 61.
it's the waltrip racing. i'm just making this up. mike spinelli: flyinglizard's out, right? because they haven't updatedthe live timing. jf musial: the number 80. mike spinelli: the80 car is out? 80 car is out. the pro car is out, whilethe am car is not. so looking back, i'm trying tofigure out why the 74 is
currently in the pits. mike spinelli: i gotta tellyou, that 458 looks-- jf musial: i believe the 74needs a steering rack. and the 73-- alex roy: the 458looks awesome. mike spinelli: the 458 isa great-looking car. and i'm glad they lastyear went to 458 instead of the 430. totally.
audi crew chillinout over there. 74, why is 74 in there? gotta figure this one out. mike spinelli: i believe it'sthe steering rack, is the one that's taking the longest. i believe. and the 73 was the discs. but i'm trying to getconfirmation on that. somebody had said it.
jf musial: well, right now inthe paddock, in the garage on the 74, everyone's juststanding around looking at the car. no action being done,at this point. so it looks like they'retrying to figure out what's going on. rear end is coming off. doesn't look like the front-end steering rack at all.
mike spinelli: well, the74 came back out. let's see here. jf musial: so whatare they doing? alex roy: it went out andnow is right back in? or it never-- i think it went out,came right back in. anybody have any informationon what's going on with the 74, please advise. we would like to know.
mike spinelli: it's reallyannoying when speed jumps off of its coverage. jf musial: so at this point,le mans, it's dark. not much going on other thanthe corvette in the back. we don't really havemuch to say. the deltawing is out. the flying lizard 80 pro carwith patrick long and jorg bergmeister is out. but there's still a race tobe had between the audis.
the toyotas are out ofthe race, both the seven and eight car. it was really [inaudible] forthe toyotas, a lot to go. but the real news right now, thereal news is leo parente. alex roy: i'm sitting backhere watching leo drive. jf musial: wait, wait, wait. you gotta be [inaudible]. don't say his name so hedoesn't turn around. alex roy: he's not listening.
jf musial: so let's actually-- alex roy: shh. leo is currently driving theporsche rs spyder in forza 4 on sebring. he's really smooth. jf musial: leo's on the rsspyder, where is it? sebring? alex roy: here's really fast. jf musial: he's comingup to turn 17.
let's see how well he does. on the bumps. and he's in the wall. leo parente puts himselfinto wall at sebring. oh, let's not say his name sothat does not realize that-- alex roy: leo, you know youcan't restart in real life? raphael orlove: man, whichcorvette are we watching now? jf musial: this is the 73. mike spinelli: 73's out, 74is still in the garage.
i jf musial: hey, jordan. how are you? jordan vega: i'mexcellent, jf. jf musial: i'm good. jordan vega: how are yourworldly travels going? jf musial: eh. too much. too much traveling.
jordan vega: the only guy i knowwho works 26 hours a day. i leverage [inaudible]for those two. thank you for bringing thecoffee and everything. jordan vega: anytime i feel likethis my second-- no, my third family. jf musial: if you want to knowwhat this is, this is audi.tv. they've got in-car footage,in-car feeds with telemetry that you can follow along. it's actually pretty intense tobe watching this throughout
12 hours so far to see how fastthese guys are going. how far these guys are going. looks like the 74 caris getting it's back end worked on. i just saw two oil cans beingput into the car. the 73 sister car isstill out there. raphael orlove: [inaudible]there's a corvette stream up, too, isn't there? it's one of the speed--
can you pass my laptopup here, too? because that's whereall my goodies are. jf musial: so the 73 is rightin front of the 74. but they're both seventh andeighth place-- sixth and seven place at this point. nope, sorry. seventh and eighth place. i was right the first time. with the af corse 458 italianumber 51 up front.
that's the fisichella car. one lap up on the luxuryracing 458 italia at this point. mike spinelli: by the way, thecorvette stream is off because speed is on. that's what they do. right. so when speed goes to somethingelse, corvette's supposed to come on.
male speaker: that's verypatriotic of them. mike spinelli: it is. it is. so now both of the cars,number 74 and 73-- well, 74 is now technicaldifficulties. so there's nothing comingthrough the feed. jf musial: "jf, should moreraces begin with the traditional le mans start?" raphael orlove: cani answer that one?
jf musial: sure. raphael orlove: le mans startsare the worst ideas ever. and they should be done. it's the worst idea. jf musial: it's dangerous. raphael orlove: it'shorrifically dangerous. you've got racers who are doingeverything they can to win the race andyou give them-- jf musial: throwing wrenchesat each other.
raphael orlove: and you havean opportunity where they would potentially get goodposition by not putting on their seat belts. and they will happilynot do that. the idea is that they run out tothe other car, jump in, and drive out as fast as possible. and the problem with this isthat they save time by not putting on their seat belts. and they don't.
and then they crash. and then they die. and it's a terrible idea. don't ever do it. it sounds awesome,it's terrible. jf musial: wide words,from orlove. raphael orlove: in other news,just a bone to pick. formula one of the 1970s,gnarly stuff. not super amazing.
people crashing and dying. also-- mike spinelli: by the way, toyour point, john woolfe crashed a privateer porsche917 in 1969. raphael orlove: that's theone everyone remembers. mike spinelli: is the onethat everyone remembers. and apparently when hejumped in, he didn't strap in well enough. and when he went off,he went off and the
first or second lap? it was like the first lap. mike spinelli: orthe first lap. ok, there you go. the first lap. ok, first or second lap equalsfirst lap of the first or second lap. raphael orlove: i'm pretty sureit was the first lap. mike spinelli: i think itwas the first lap, too.
but crashed in a way thatshouldn't have killed him. but he didn't havehis straps on. raphael orlove: yes. mike spinelli: so that's it. that's why they don't do it. it's pretty terrible. i don't know what's sogreat about people running at their cars. i mean, it's sort of cool.
mike spinelli: then again,that's kind of cool. raphael orlove: why don't theypark their cars at the last lap and have a footrace to the end? same thing. mike spinelli: actually,that's genius. raphael orlove: why not? jf musial: or maybe youhave to push your car? raphael orlove: sure. jf musial: or doa tire change.
raphael orlove: yeah. mike spinelli: you haveto stop in the middle of the race. raphael orlove: these are allsignificantly better ideas than le mans stop. mike spinelli: everyone has tostop where they are at 2:00 am and run a mile. raphael orlove: ok. no, no, no.
it's they all pull up and thenthey go swimming and they get on their bicycles. mike spinelli: and thenbicycles for 10 miles. raphael orlove: and then the10 miles and then they get back to their car. mike spinelli: it'sthe 24 hours of le mans and triathlon. raphael orlove: exactly. raphael orlove: no, no.
it's the premier enduranceracing event of the year. it should mix it up a bit. why should it all beabout the cars? make the drivers dosome enduring. raphael orlove: they shoulddo some javelin throwing, as well. i feel like that wouldadd to some of the-- mike spinelli: that's avery heavy, american motors muscle car.
i don't know how they wouldbe able to throw it. jf musial: both corvettesare back on track. mike spinelli: both corvettesare back on track says mr. lollollol xd. mike spinelli: strap on, savelives, says roywhite05. raphael orlove: i wish thisisn't gonna be an audi sweep. me too. i think that's why we'regetting kind of punchy. because what are we goingto talk about?
all right, so it's corvetteand ferrari. raphael orlove: i wantedtoyota to be there. mike spinelli: its corvette andferrari, aston martin eh, kind of hail mary. and then it's audi. and then, ok, we can see howwell rebellion does. raphael orlove: it's like itused to be back before peugeot was in here, pescarolowas running. mike spinelli: the peugeotis-- you're actually
pronouncing like the brits, sothey're going to be very happy that you're pronouncingit that way. raphael orlove: what dowe call them then? "pee-oh-gee-oh"s? mike spinelli: poo-geot. poo-geot because we're fromfriggin new york. that's right. poo-geot. raphael orlove: ok, whatever.
mike spinelli: but youcan say peugeot. it's fine. raphael orlove: i will. mike spinelli: per-geot. pu-geot. raphael orlove: per-gee-aht. mike spinelli: whatever. say pergeeaht. raphael orlove: so beforepeugeot was in it and everyone
started watching, therewas pescarolo. and they were running in thesereally cool playstation green-white-blue cars. and pescarolo's an old head. he raced a bunch of stuffin the 1970s, got a bunch of wins. he had a team and basicallyeveryone who watched le mans was just like, oh, well, youknow, the audis will win but maybe pescarolo will comeclose and that will be
interesting. and they never won. pescarolo's team neverbeat the audis. and that's sort of what we'rewatching right now. i'm still rooting for all theaudis to crash into each other and go out. jf musial: oh, come on. you know that's notgonna happen. raphael orlove: strangerthings have happened.
but no, it's not gonna happen. jf musial: we're doingit all wrong. we gotta find a battle andrename one position in a class as p1. jf musial: so let's ignorethe top part. mike spinelli: let's see who'sgot the closest gap. what's a very close gap. mike spinelli: we'vegot honda hpd. jf musial: let's go to gt.
let's go to gt. 35 seconds between the number 77porsche 997 and the 458 af corse number 71 right now. mike spinelli: [snort]. yeah, good luck makingthat one interesting. let's-- wait a minute. we got it. raphael orlove: whydon't we do lmp2?
mike spinelli: you knowwhat, let's do the am. the am rally. let's see who's close. nobody is anywherenear each other. oh, wait a minute. jf musial: no, no, no. i must take a screenshotof this one. the number 58 of luxury racingis 5,035,134 laps down, according to live timingand scoring.
mike spinelli: where is this? you got to take a screenshotof that. nice, 5 million laps down. jf musial: 5 millionlaps down. mike spinelli: they obviouslydid not bribe the judges. that's someone who's running thewrong way down pit lane, back and forth overthe sensor. with the sensor in his hands. raphael orlove: [inaudible]that's 129 laps down.
mike spinelli: somebody from[inaudible] hacked that. jf musial: and it still doesnot show him in last place. that's the best part of that. mike spinelli: maybe hedid bribe the judges. so wait a minute here. so here we go. so we got the aston martingt pro with turner. let's see, the gap between himand henzler in the felbermayr porsche is let's see, 1:36.
no, that's even too far. there's no gaps short enough tomake a good race right now. jf musial: deltawing's out. mike spinelli: deltawing'sout. jf musial: toyotas are out. the number 24 morgan is out. we do have some action on-- mike spinelli: is farah gonnaskype in at some point? jf musial: probably not.
mike spinelli: hedecided not to? so that's the dealwith farah, yeah. this shirt people areasking about. eventually they're goingto go on sale. we're just dealing with-- jf musial: sitting in ourstudio right now are 500 shirts about be shippedout to amazon. you're going to be ableto buy them on amazon.com within two weeks.
and they won't bethat expensive. they'll be like $12.99or something. jf musial: we're not gonnamake money off of them. mike spinelli: in americandollars, which as we all know are worth just a littlebit more than-- male speaker: 1.26. male speaker: 1.26 euro. mike spinelli: 1.26euro, exactly. male speaker: the shirts arepriced such that we can give
away half of them andnot lose any money. and sell the other half,not lose any money. so we're breaking evenon the shirts. but it will be fun. all right, good. it's interesting. i didn't realize the euro wasthat far down against the buck right now. and it could actuallygo lower?
but $1.26. the last time i was in europe,it was like $1.60 raphael orlove: youthink the the euro is down on the dollar? mike spinelli: isn't it? you said what? $1.26. raphael orlove: that is sofar behind the news. jf musial: josh, checkyour email. we're getting an image in fromthe track from george.
it's a funny one. mike spinelli: sorry. aston martin is thirdnot fourth. male speaker: ftp? jf musial: no, email. mike spinelli: misspokeon the aston martin position right now. alex roy: any shirt size biggerthan the simon cowell size you're wearing, mike?
mike spinelli: simoncowell size? is that a man-boobs joke? i'm the one who makes theman-boobs jokes around here. simon cowell size. i like it, though. that's good. that's a good one. it just needs to be av. i just need a v. jf musial: shipping to canada?
sure, why not? mike spinelli: shippingto canada? yeah, what the hell? jf musial: you'repaying for it. alex roy: someonesaid [inaudible] know who's leading. who do you think is leading? audi? jf musial: no, no.
it's the 2014 prototypefor porsche. the porsche lmp car isactually leading. jf musial: they just decided tocome out and win the race. raphael orlove: it's actuallya 2034 time travel car. mike spinelli: unfortunately,this is an answer to it's either agin at 5 or[french accent] aginat5 in french, we can notpre-order the shirts. because we don't haveany way to-- male speaker: we'lllet everyone know.
mike spinelli: we'lltake money. jf musial: we're not goingto give you anything. mike spinelli: we may end upforgetting to send it and then we'll get arrested and thenjosh will take the rap. because i'll be out of town. jf musial: if you want to bewatching this stream, audi.tv. if you want to be watchingthe aco feed, it is live.lemans-tv.com. also, live timing onthere as well.
mike spinelli: apparently, theman-boob inserts for the shirts are not aspopular with our commenters as i was hoping. male speaker: really? there was a few guys whosaid they were willing to pay up to $50. and one guy-- i think that was foralex's shirt. not the man-boobs shirt.
male speaker: on guy asked usif he could have a discount for a regular shirt. he was going to take theman-boobs shirt without the inserts and then give it to hisgirlfriend and then have real boobs in the shirt. which, i told him i was willingto work something out, i gave him my email address. mike spinelli: i think thatmakes perfect sense. you know, i'm actuallymore thick.
i'm just kidding. just a joke. and the double entendrewas the joke. but don't worry aboutit, it's fine. male speaker: orlove on couch,what have you learned in your windows mac-- windows laptop. male speaker: [inaudible]call it windows macbook. male speaker: windows mactop.
raphael orlove: mywindows macbook? i'm finding wonderfulcomments. "still i'm having troublekeeping track of all of these cars which are doing somethinginteresting in france apparently." male speaker: that's[inaudible]. male speaker: keep going. any historical period of le mansyou'd like to talk about? how awesome alfa romeowas in the 1930s?
hiyo. mike spinelli: wait. too much excitement. raphael orlove: what about thatbugatti touring car that ran whenever that was, '39? oh, man. that thing was awesome. mike spinelli: what did thatgo for at goodwill? raphael orlove: thatwas awesome.
jf musial: i think we're aboutto show a photo from the press room at le mans. josh, do we have that ready? mike spinelli: is anybodyin there? can we show that? can we show something? can i play forza? jf musial: go play forza. mike spinelli: i'm goingto go play forza.
listen, i just need alittle break and i'm gonna go play forza. jf musial: [inaudible] lola pescarolo, right? mike spinelli: lola pescarolo. i dated her. jf musial: is that the judd? leo parente: [inaudible] jf musial: oh.
rebellion. toyota. jf musial: sorry aboutthat guys. we're going to now show whatthey action is like at the press room at le mans. i love technology. male speaker: there it is. jf musial: so that is ourtrue reporter in crime. what does that mean?
what am i saying? male speaker: is he underlike a pile of stuff? jf musial: i don't know. that's [inaudible] sleeping inthe press room at the south circuit at le mans. male speaker: you gettinga little tired jf? it's an interestingsleeping position. male speaker: it really is. jf musial: i'm surprised he canactually sleep like that.
thank you, george,for taking that. george took that shot. so we've dwindled down. just me now, which is probablythe worst thing possible. raphael orlove: what areyou talking about? i'm here. jf musial: well, you wantto take [inaudible]-- raphael orlove: [inaudible]. jf musial: come takethe seat, orlove.
but don't spill that coffee. we have a huge problemin this office with people spilling coffee. jf musial: orlove,how are you? raphael orlove: i'mdoing great. jf musial: you know how toput one of those on? raphael orlove: i've neverdone this before. jf musial: welcometo the show. raphael orlove: ido quite well.
jf musial: i can't believeyou shouted [inaudible] at sebastian vettel ata press conference. raphael orlove: i canbelieve i did that. jf musial: that's horrible. raphael orlove: that wasa terrible idea. it was a great idea. jf musial: were you embarrassedwhen vettel said your german was the worstpossible he could imagine? raphael orlove: i was notembarrassed in the least bit.
jf musial: in front ofthe world's press? why would i be embarrassed? german's not my firstlanguage. we're going to do now an updateon what's going in the track action. lmp2. the number 24 morgan isout of the running. the number 44 lmp2is at the top. raphael orlove: so morgan'sare still up?
raphael orlove: what's up? what's up in lmp2? jf musial: the number 35morgan is eighth place. they were leading thepack with the 24. the number 44 is the starworksmotorsport honda hpd. raphael orlove: so honda's up? jf musial: honda'sup top in lmp2. raphael orlove: well that'skind of cool, i guess. jf musial: then we've got oreca,oreca, oreca, oreca,
oreca, oreca, honda. level five. raphael orlove: and then somezyteks and then morgan is way down there. so that's your update on lmp2. how many computershave died in this studio because of coffee? not many. raphael orlove: i wishi had my laptop here.
because i would love tolook up what the the history of oreca is. because i vaguely knowthat they ran vipers back in the day. and apparently they ranthe 91 mazda car. raphael orlove: but i don'tknow who they are. commenters chime in. they're french, aren't they? jf musial: oh, yeah.
yeah, yeah. they actually won sebring. they came close to winning lemans like last year or the year before? right, alex? alex roy: i'll look it up. thank you, alex. raphael orlove: what do youmean they came close to winning le mans?
[inaudible]? jf musial: yeah, like twoyears ago, right? or, no, it was sebring. they won sebring. raphael orlove: theywon sebring. jf musial: they won sebringtwo years ago in the old peugeot before theyupdated it. raphael orlove: oh,that's right. they ran that awesome peugeotwith the weird playstation--
wasn't there playstationlivery? jf musial: yeah, yeah, yeah. with the orange font. it was the full orange font. raphael orlove: that was agreat moment when the old peugeot beat the new peugeots. that was very cool. i think everyone was happywhen that happened. except for, obviously,the people who
were running the peugeots. jf musial: we've had a lot ofinteresting alms action throughout the years, especiallyporsche, corvette. i want to hear what someof favorite action bits are of the fans. there's always the ending endingof the race between the porsches and the ferrarisor the ferraris and the jf musial: that'swhat i'm saying. i want to know whattheir particular--
raphael orlove: as someone whoactually has to write about it, it's actuallyquite cliche. you're just like, oh, no, it'sanother end of the race and it was amazing. jf musial: checking in on thegt pro at this point, we've got the af corse 458 italia, thenumber 51, at the top of the gt pro field, with the 458italia of the 59 luxury racing one lap behind. comparable lap times,1.2 seconds off.
oh, that's a mazda? what's? raphael orlove: no,that's a dome. jf musial: dome just went off. whoa. that's a nice pop. he covered it over, though. raphael orlove: can wetalk about dome? because is this their first runat le mans with this car
that got shelved duringthe financial crisis? jf musial: i guess so. i'm not going to behelpful with this. i don't follow dome. yeah? alex roy: would you like thebackground on oreca? raphael orlove: areyou kidding? of course i would. it's a french racing team.
and was one of teams thatbrought to some notoriety alain prost, laffite,and jean alesi. raphael orlove: no way? when did prost race for them? alex roy: back informula three. the owner, a hugues chaunac,interestingly was also the progenitor of the formula oneteam ags, if you remember them from the late '90s. raphael orlove: i don't.
well, i do. because i went to ags formulaone school, some years ago. raphael orlove: no,you did not? alex roy: i did. and was instantly kicked outof the car by judge and instructor eddie irvine, whosaid i was a coward and should wear a dress and get out. and even though the car atthat point was about five years old, i've neverexperienced such raw terror.
jf musial: we got anupdate on the 74. who's just said it? oliver gavin just tweeted thatafter an incident they have a high-speed oscillation. so they changed the entiredrive train. raphael orlove: gavin is, ofcourse, a driver of the car. jf musial: 74. raphael orlove: so who'sstill in it? the 73 is still racing?
fill me in. jf musial: sorry,what was that? they're both still racing. it was just a drive-trainchange that they-- raphael orlove: but they'reboth out of the pits? jf musial: the 73 is stillout there, i do believe. raphael orlove: but they arehopelessly far behind? jf musial: no hopelessly. jf musial: looking at the boardright now, not hopeless.
really sad for the corvettes. they were up front and theyboth ran into problems. aston martin led the raceat the beginning in gt pro and is now third. they dropped back tosixth at one point. and now they are two laps offthe lead of the 51 af corse. raphael orlove: you know, ireally should be happy that ferrari is up there. because corvette and aston havebeen up in leading the gt
cars in le mans for so longthat you would think you'd want a change in sort ofhow things are going. but i don't like them. i don't like the ferraris. i don't know why. jf musial: i thinkthey look good. raphael orlove: well,obviously, they-- jf musial: i thinkthey look great. well, i don't know.
either way, josh, we gotto take a break. top of the hour comingup shortly. sorry, i wasn't tryingto cut you off. i think you're doinga great job. raphael orlove: i'm not. but that's fine. jf musial: i think we areactually on the air right now. we are 11 hours leftin the race? it is 10:00 pm here andapproaching 4:00 am at the
track at le mans. this is the drive 25 hours ofthe 24 hours of le mans. i'm joined by alex roy oflive and let drive. alex roy: and i'm joined by jfmusial of the drive network. and i would like to address- jf musial: hold on. we got to do a recap ofeverything that's happened. alex roy: recap. at the top of the hour, well,we we were discussing the
corvette 73 and 74. 74 was having some troublewith some high-speed oscillation. so they had to change theirdrive train out. 73 is still out there. the ferraris lead gtat this point. the audis lead p1. so how did we get here? well, the toyotas were strongout of the box.
until about five hours in, whenthe number eight toyota collided with a ferrari onthe mulsanne straight. huge accident, caused about anhour of safety car period. both drivers were gotout of the cars under their own power. davidson seems tohave fractured vertebrae in his back. he's in the hospitalas we speak. he seems to be ok.
he's tweeting, so iguess that's ok. after that, we had a runin with the deltawing. the remaining toyota, the numberseven, knocked the deltawing off track. the deltawing, of course, is thebox 56 experimental class. they were knocked out. they tried for anhour to get the prototype back out on track. i guess you call the deltawinga prototype, right, leo?
either way. then after that, wehad an onslaught of issues and problems. romain dumas in the number fouraudi r18 ultra almost hit the back end of the number 79flying lizard rsr in the first chicane on the mulsannestraight-- jf musial: almost hit the backend of the number 79 flying lizard am gt car. romain dumas then proceeded tokarate kick the r18 into
submission until he was ableto get it back on track and bring it all the way backto pit row, where-- alex roy: it was more of asuplex on the audi, but go on. jf musial: whatever it may be. from there, we went intothe dusk hours. the number 24 morgan actuallycrashed out. morgans were leading lmp2for quite some time. we spoke to charlesmorgan earlier. he had some greatthings to say.
but i think only one ofthem is left in lmp2. and audi now leads lmp1 withtwo e-trons up top and one ultra in third. and the number 80flying lizard is also out of the race. that's my recap. down to you. alex roy: that was reallyimpressive. jf musial: all from memory.
alex roy: i'm going to ask aquestion of a cohost who almost certainly can answerit intelligently. after which, orlove can speak. which is, you said that youdidn't like ferrari. now, i've been accused ofbeing a ferrari hater. been accused of beinga mercedes hater. and someone asked a questionof both of you. is the reason that you just havethis instinctively less than loving feelingfor ferraris
presence here because-- ferrari being a racingmanufacture that only builds road cars to financeracing, or at least the mythology goes-- should not ferrari becompeting at the top level at le mans? and if not, why shouldwe care? raphael orlove: i'm sort of withyou because you get the feeling from ferrari thattheir heart's not in it.
and that's what turnsme off about them. alex roy: well, clearlynot, because there's no factory effort. alex roy: jf? jf musial: i think the stigmawith ferrari is that it's gentleman drivers. and of course last year with themike rockenfeller accident waltrip racing, the gentlemandriver was actually asked to not get back in the car.
because it was such apotentially deadly accident. ferrari as a wholeis a great racing company with a huge legacy. and of course they deserveevery bit of it. but at the same time,it's a car brand, like all these others. and you have good and baddrivers in each one of these brands and each one of thesecars on the road. so i don't think the branditself should suffer because
of a few bad drivers. alex roy: well, i'm going to saysomething i can't believe i'm gonna say about missingthe days of schumacher in formula one. because ferrari left le mansin the early '70s. and if you look at theirhistory, after ford tried to buy ferrari, ferrari said no. ford said fine, we're going toshow you what it's all about, came in, told them whatford means in italian.
and then after that, ferrari hadsome mixed years and then left in the early '70s. and since then, the company,which is supposed to define a race manufacturer for whom roadcars are a sideshow, has only under schumacher in f1stated their dominance there. and only for a few years. and the mythology of ferrariis a very powerful one. but it has not always been borneout, except during the schumacher yearsin the last 40.
jf musial: and that's our recentmemory, this is what most people think aboutthese days. raphael orlove: i hate to-- actually, i love toargue with you. but you can't the ferrari333 sp, which they ran-- jf musial: 333 sp? and they ran in the late '90s,competing for the win. and never got higherthan sixth. which is a lot like, to useanother f1 comparison,
mercedes today. you know it's a fullmoney effort, and they're not doing it. and it's just sad. and you want them to go away. alex roy: but you know,the thing about mercedes is their brand-- i mean, yes they havea racing history. but it's such an old racinghistory, like the days of
mercedes dominance are soancient that if mercedes dropped out of all high-endmotor sports, i don't think it would have any effect on theirsale of road cars. because mercedes road cars arenot meant to be defined by being race-winning cars. and it's almost ironic thatmercedes packs their cars with incredibly powerful engines. and yet, in at least the roadcar space, have ceded the handling mythology to bmw.
whether it's true or not. so mercedes almost, i don'tthink, need even to make the effort they make in f1. and their absence here? jf musial: just want to say,we're coming up on 14 hours of our live broadcast on the drive25 hours of the 24 hours of le mans. alex roy: as evidenced bythe level of discourse. i believe we passed the pointof the longest youtube live
stream in history. alex roy: is that true? alex roy: interesting. jf musial: i think so, yeah. could be making this all up, butthere's no one to disprove me at this point. alex roy: actually, what wereally interesting, and i'm sorry that leo's not here todiscuss it, is that in terms of what endurance racing doesfor a brand presence.
i'm gonna use peugeotas an example. even in the years where peugeotwon, it was pretty hard to find anybody-- even in europe, that i know-- who said, oh my god, peugeot'swinning le mans, i got to buy a peugeot. that's the irony here. and that comes back to whetheror not the technology of the winning car translatesinto road cars.
and as we see from audi andtdi, it really does is. there's a direct relationship. and peugeot, i didn't feelthat relationship. but here's the weird thing. i'm sure that people are buyingferraris because they have ferraris runningle mans right now. alex roy: i do not believethat at all. raphael orlove: ibelieve that. alex roy: i believe people buyferraris because the ferrari
brand is based on a mythologyof superiority. raphael orlove: well-- jf musial: 52-hourlive stream. well, all right. i was wrong. raphael orlove: let'ssay 348s doing absolutely nothing for anyone. no one cared. and people were buying lambos.
alex roy: i think ferrari hasestablished their dominance sufficiently that they onlyneed to win big once every five years to maintainit, which is pretty much where they are. alex roy: if that. jf musial: let's ask thequestion, le mans or nurburgring 24? alex roy: i'll ask thequestion of you. because it's really oneonly you can answer.
i've never been there. but you stated to me recentlythat many drivers that you know personally-- i think you named even patricklong as one of them, but there are others that we know-- have stated that they enjoyracing the 24 hours of nurburgring more than le mans. and that that's where there'sbetter racing. jf musial: it's not enjoy.
i think what patrick had saidwas that it was the nurburgring made himfeel mortal. how long is the lemans course? raphael orlove: i got it. jf musial: in kilometersit's eight kilometers, i think, right? alex roy: and how many majorturning decisions are made in the le mans course. this is actuallya fun exercise.
the number of turn decisions-- jf musial: 8.5 miles, sorry. 8.5. so 8.5. let's do the math now. jf musial: thank you, george. alex roy: this is an interestingexercise. so how long is the nurburgringcourse? jf musial: 14.--
something. i have that guy here. orlove? raphael orlove: unomomento, senor. alex roy: how many turnsin nurburgring? raphael orlove: debatable. jf musial: debatable. they've got 144 so somewherearound there. alex roy: let's call it--
jf musial: stop asking facts. this is making us look stupid. alex roy: well, at least let'ssee if we can be approximate because i believe atle mans, we know there aren't 144 turns. there's what? 10? 15? jf musial: sorry, where?
alex roy: le mans. jf musial: le mans? jf musial: well, let'sgo through them. so we've got the dunlop chicane,so one, two, three. mulsanne-- four, five, six with thechicane, seven mulsanne. raphael orlove: 38turns on there. jf musial: 9, 10, 11 12, 13, 14,15, 16, 17 with the four chicanes i guess.
alex roy: 17. well, she says 38. who said 38 turns? raphael orlove: vickylisted it as 38. jf musial: in le mans? raphael orlove: yeah, thecircuit de la sarthe. alex roy: they're going toconsider each chicane as one, two, three, four. i'm talking about decisions.
i mean, turning decisions. so a single chicane may havefour decisions in it. that doesn't include brakingdecisions or even throttle decisions, just turningdecisions. so no matter how you slice it,the 24 hours of nurburgring is going to have something likeat least three times more turning decisions. i see leo's looking overhere at where i'm trying to get with this.
leo parente: no, i'mjust listening. alex roy: and so if you wantto, there's many ways to factor in, to calculate, thedifficulty of a course to the driver and the excitementfactor for a fan. and when people insult nascar,and i have long been someone who didn't paying attentionto nascar. i had a very interestinginteraction with andy lally, who used to drive fortrg, and went from-- jf musial: went to magnus.
alex roy: went to magnus. and so he's experiencedin grand am racing and nascar racing. and lally said-- jf musial: by the way, the74 is still in the pits. alex roy: so andy lallysaid something really interesting to me. and he was one of the few grandam drivers who didn't think i was a clown whenhe heard about the
cross-country record. and he was very, very curiousand really respectful. and i said to him, i said,lally, would you ever do something like what i did? he's like, absolutely not. i'm like, well, lally, ithink nascar is silly. he's like, what could be moreexciting for a driver than to be in a crowded pack at 200miles an hour where the slightest mistake couldkill multiple people?
and prior to that, it hadn'teven occurred to me that racing excitement could bejudged for the driver or the fans as anything but brakingzones and turns. and for him it was defined bythe holistic situation, which included the speed and dangerfactor, even in a passive-- the absence of a decisionis as important as the commitment to action. so nurburgring-- raphael orlove: there arecars streaming down at
200 miles an hour. even though there isn't likea complex [inaudible]. jf musial: mike, come on in. raphael orlove: the cornersare complex, but-- jf musial: what's up? mike spinelli: i justwanted to-- alex roy: interrupt? i'm just going to interruptyou, grab some stuff here. alex roy: so let's roundout the math here.
because it's an interestingexercise. i've always wanted toknow the answer. what is total mileage? in 24 hours of nurburgring howmany miles are covered by the winning car? leo parente: 165 laps. 165. so 165 times the 14 miles? with the grand prix circuit?
is that correct? but 15.1. jf musial: 15.1? let's get some facts on this. raphael orlove: so 15.5for each lap. jf musial: with the grandprix circuit? this is on the 24 hoursof nurburgring. so 15.5 times 151 lapswith [inaudible]? leo parente: 165.
jf musial: 165 times-- let's get the mileage forthe last year's victor. raphael orlove: what is that? that's something over2,500 miles. jf musial: 2,500 miles. and then check wiki for what wasthe longest distance run at le mans, which i thinkwas two years ago. leo parente: it better bemore, they go faster. no, no.
it will be more. and i'm gonna do one finalcalculation if i could find the calculator app on my ipad. jf musial: what areyou looking for? so you said 2,500? let's just do it like this. if one lap is 144 decisions,165 times 144. raphael orlove: present recordis 3,360 miles two years ago. alex roy: multiplythis for me.
165 times 144. jf musial: 23,760. now, le mans. what's the total highestnumber of laps at le mans ever? or just give me an approximatenumber. raphael orlove: i can giveyou length, but i don't know how many laps. alex roy: just give me a totallaps of last year's winner.
raphael orlove: i'm sorry? jf musial: totallaps of last-- jf musial: spin, you're out? mike spinelli: not yet. i can hang arounda little longer. jf musial: hey, it's ian. sorry for screaming. i just pissed off joshby saying hey. ian has joined us fromfast lane daily.
alex roy: i can't wait forleo to come back and-- jf musial: you hear forthe night shift? alex roy: critique-- jf musial: as faras you can go? alex roy: i can wait for leoto return and critique the metrics by which i'm judgingthe relative difficulty of these races. shoot. raphael orlove: so lastyear, the the winning
number of laps was 355. alex roy: so multiply355 by 38. jf musial: 13,490. 23,760 turning decisions,versus 13,490. jf musial: i think leo-- well, leo's busy-- buti think the most astonishing thing ever. this is back at the nurburgring24 documentary we did, was the numberof gear shifts was
something like 130,000. alex roy: for nurburgring? jf musial: for nurburgring. alex roy: well-- jf musial: because if thenyou're equating a gear shift into the equation ofa turning decision. alex roy: right. how many cars enter thenurburgring 24? jf musial: over 300.
alex roy: 300 cars? versus le mans's jf musial: you've got somethinglike 18, 19 classes. alex roy: so in termsof raw excitement-- jf musial: there are four carsper pit stall at nurburgring. alex roy: [laughs] jf musial: and even a few carsin a spill-off area outside the pit lane. because there wasn'tenough room.
i'm gonna pay moreattention to the nurburgring 24 next year. jf musial: but why does thisget more attention? why does le mans getmore attention? alex roy: the historicityof it. history. jf musial: historicity? alex roy: historicity. raphael orlove: historicity,history, and money, i'm sure.
alex roy: well, a race legacyis defined by the participants. a car is just a brickwithout a driver. and the history is here. great job, speed, throwing themicrophone into the face. alex roy: why don'tyou just take a cigarette and go with him? oh, it's [inaudible]who hit [inaudible] and according to sean heckmanof the media consiglieris, a
very important figure in thefinancing of many teams, therefore forgiveness is grantedfor the double-clutch performed on audi last year. jf musial: oh, boy. raphael orlove: historicityis a real word, someone's claiming you used-- alex roy: it is. jf musial: [inaudible] sorry. raphael orlove: historicityis a real word.
there are people who study it. jf musial: i went to anengineering school. what do i know? 156 laps last year at thenurburgring ring [inaudible] the 165. alex roy: for those who areasking when i'm going to get onto the forza game. as the night grows long, andthe knives are removed from sheaths, and less people areawake and my competition will
be weaker, i shall grow moreclosely interested in the idea of racing. jf musial: question for you. would you want to bethere right now? alex roy: absolutely. oh, my god. what's happening? jf musial: [inaudible]another accident into the mulsanne corner?
that's a rough one. alex roy: that's the exact samelocation that the toyota eight hit earlier. that's exactly thesame location. raphael orlove: see? this is really good because like40 years ago no one would have replaced that armco. they were like, oh, we'll-- alex roy: they didn'thave to because the
chicane wasn't there. jf musial: so again. my dream in life-- jf musial: even though atraces you're notorious-- and not just you-- it's notorious that you don'treally see the race? you mean would i want tobe there as a fan? jf musial: i had no ideawhat was going on at the race last year.
you have no idea what'sgoing on right now. jf musial: oh, i sure do. ask me anything. alex roy: well, ok. yeah, you do. but i mean, i'd wantto be there with-- jf musial: it was so easyfor you to back down. mike spinelli: i would want tobe there with a laptop, with wi-fi, and the whole business.
jf musial: are we gonna stayon his [inaudible]? alex roy: is there anythinggreater than standing within two miles of a top-classprototype or f1 car at full throttle. and then hearing two of themand knowing, even without seeing, which two carshave just passed. race cars are the highest formof the last piece of creation. it's the final manifestation ofso many arts that have been developed for one purpose--
to move a person from a to b. and it's the most democratizing creation of all mankind. because not only canit be beautiful and functional, but it moves. you can bring it with you. a house is as important, yetit's an isolating thing. but a race car, it's theend of creation. until we build spaceshipsand whatnot.
and so who wouldn't wantto hear that in person? it's why people who'll never owna ferrari wear the shirt. jf musial: very good point. very good point. well, how's our chat doing? alex roy: are they commentingon my false intellectualism? jf musial: so question. male speaker: someone said,"alex, you just blew my mind." male speaker: i think he meantblew his brains out.
alex roy: in the words of simoncowell, unbelievable. did you like it? jf musial: so questionto the crowd, or question to you alex. and orlove. jf musial: how do you improvethe viewing experience of the fans at a race? alex roy: ah. raphael orlove: super[inaudible].
alex roy: jumbotrons. jumbotrons. raphael orlove: no, you-- jf musial: actually, i thinkthat's one of the biggest- alex roy: and i'll tell youanother thing, google glasses? one of the most important thingsgoogle glasses will bring to people has nothingto do with shopping. jf musial: what'sgoogle glasses? alex roy: google glasses isthe glasses which have the
wireless unit attached whichwill deliver augmented reality and superimpose data. jf musial: is this real? it exists now. it's just not for sale. people wear them. alex roy: google glasseswill change the way we live in many ways. but i want to talk aboutit only in the
context of car racing. but really sports in general. obviously, a lot of the interestbehind google glasses will be to get peopleto see ads as they walk down the street-- we have an audi off. number one audi off. alex roy: is thatwhat that is? jf musial: numberone audi just--
raphael orlove: was thatthe audi that went off? jf musial: was that the audi? alex roy: the lights did notlook like audi lights. it's the number one. yeah, number one. heading for the pitsright now. alex, that was great. i wasn't trying tocut you off. we'll come back to it.
jf musial: we'll come back it. let's try to figure out-- in the pits right now. the number one is pullinginto the pits. alex roy: it's in, actually? jf musial: yep. it's there. it's right here, alex. let's see what they do.
raphael orlove: so thisis of lotterer, treluyer, and fassler. jf musial: what arethey doing? looks like there'sconfusion there. this is the number oneaudi e-tron hybrid. leading the raceat this point. doors are open. confusion in the audi tent asto what the hell's going on. they're checking everythingout, i guess, to make sure
it's all good. just want to make surenothing is broken. looks like the back isa little damaged. they're deciding as to whetheror not to take the back off. raphael orlove: man, thatdriver just leaped in. stand by everyone. and they're off. raphael orlove: where'dthey go? jf musial: well, one feed isfaster than the other.
but they're about toget off right here. yep. he's gone. no changes. and leo? oh, leo crashed. so the number one audi e-tronquattro, the new flywheel hybrid from audi has just wentoff, gone to the pits, and is back now out on track.
raphael orlove: look at thosestands, so full of people. mike spinelli: when's oursecond dinner happening? i'm getting hungry. male speaker: i'm readyfor second breakfast. raphael orlove: westill have pizza. it looks like zombiepizza now. raphael orlove: oh,i'll eat it. male speaker: it lookslike ghoul pizza. jf musial: dude, he was lucky.
whoever was driving, marcel ithink, was driving [inaudible] and was very lucky. he came probably about threefeet from the wall. raphael orlove: fassler. leo parente: i'llbe a spectator. jf musial: the number oneaudi e-tron went off. welcome back, leo. leo parente: the three[inaudible] back in fifth or fourth or something?
alex roy: leo, i'll give youyour seat back in a moment after i finish my thought. leo parente: no problem. raphael orlove: you'reso calm and relaxed. jf musial: "this is the besti've ever seen jf musial dressed." thank you. what were just talking about? alex roy: the google glasses-- jf musial: also, the numbertwo audi is now leading.
leo parente: mcnishand kristensen? looks like it. leo parente: oh, god. here we go. alex roy: this isgonna be good. jf musial: they're not gonnawant to give that up. leo parente: oh,here's the off. it was just a-- hegot very lucky. look at how close this was.
raphael orlove: i mean, if youactually happen to be watching this race, it's crazy. these cars are cornering realhard, all the time. jf musial: very luckyright there. raphael orlove: and it's nosurprise that there would be-- you know, you could spin. jf musial: let's seeif mcnish, hold on. i think mcnish may not be p1. but the gap is very close.
mcnish is p1. leo parente: by the way,he wasn't that lucky. there's a back of the car. jf musial: it could havebeen much worse. leo parente: lookedlike he missed the turn in just enough. after the porsche curve,the [inaudible]? jf musial: maybe turnedin too early? leo parente: late.
and there we go. jf musial: the number two audie-tron quattro hybrid is leading the pack with allanmcnish up front. jf musial: allan mcnish. alex, you want to finishyour thought? also, 53 second leadright now. so this is still tight. alex roy: the question was howcould the race coverage be improved for people at a race.
when google glasses becomeswidely available and reasonably priced-- augmented reality, which is atechnology that when you see minority report, you seetom cruise walking in the shopping center. you see as he passes windows andads are served to him that are customized to him. that is to me a nightmarishfuture for us. but augmented reality, andgoogle glasses is the first
iteration of this, will beawesome for race coverage. because if you look atspeed's coverage. and if you look at speed'scoverage of le mans versus speed's coverage of nascar, yousee that each race series has its own set of data thatthey offer on screen. whether it's say, in nascar,the arrows and bubbles that are over the vehiclesas they move. which is wonderful. if you look at football games,and you see the logos
companies pay to havesuperimposed over the field. when google glasses becomeswidely available, you're gonna see all the teams thatseparately have separate cams, separate telemetry, separateoverlays, in addition, overlapping but sometimes notoverlapping with what, say the aco offers with theircoverage. you're going to see all thesethings combined into a data overlay that the fan can selectfrom in terms of what he wants to see.
so if i was a toyotafan [inaudible] google glasses at le mans andaugmented reality was available, i could selectthe features. i would only want to see threecompetitors' overlays as i watch the cars go past. and i would want to be able tosee the audi approach, the toyota approaching. and i'd want to see theirrelative positions. and that is when racing willtake an enormous leap forward
in, i guess, information andenjoyment for the fan who really cares. and it will be possible forsomeone who knows nothing to go to a race for the first timeand select the amateur instructional data overlap. the pro can go andget his overlay. and that is going to bean awesome future for lovers of racing. and every form of professionalsports will benefit from that
technology. so that's my answer as tohow to make it improved jf musial: so this isgoogle glasses? alex roy: google glasses. if i were the aco, of if i werean individual team, if i were audi, i'd contact googletomorrow and say we would like to be the beta tester foraugmented reality systems. we'll provide google glasses toour vip ticket buying fans who come to the races.
and it will make the experience of our team amazing. other teams willsuffer for it. raphael orlove: oh, sure. because when you're actuallythere, you can't perceive what's really-- i mean, you just seesort of blurs. alex roy: at night. if you're wearing a pair ofgoogle glasses and at night
you see lights approaching, andthen you just flick on my overlay and you seewho's coming. you see the closing rate. look at how hard it is for usto gather data here in new york with 10 laptops, 18 people,and leo, who knows more than anyone i know. and even i have a hard timegathering what goes on without the hourly update. and that's a great futurefor racing fan
and fans of all sports. alex is done with hissecond [inaudible] remark of the 24 hoursof le mans. i'll be back in a few hoursafter playing forza. your time is approaching, asis my likely loss to one of you out there. jf musial: bottom of the hour,10:30 pm in new york, which means it's 4:30 in themorning at le mans. middle of the nightat le mans.
53 second lead forthe number two. at the wheel, allan mcnish inthe audi r18 e-tron quattro. alex roy: leo didn't say a wordabout what i said, which means i might have saidsomething [inaudible]. leo parente: so does corvettehave to go home to detroit and do some ricky ricardo withthe board of directors? jf musial: they wereup front, too. [inaudible] stuff. leo parente: well, and if thisthing is picking me up already
while i'm doing this, it reallywas a snowball effect. the wheel guy missed the nut. jf musial: one thing leo parente: and thenit all tumbled home. they had the problem thatthey had to repair. the mechanical when theylost the wheel. then pushing too hard createdmore problems. now what happened to magnussenin the 73? is he gone too?
jf musial: it says he'sout and running. leo parente: but they're notin the top three anymore? i'm watching the vantage now. the vantage is only twolaps down from p1. leo parente: here comesaston martin. jf musial: that's going tobe an interesting battle. a very interesting battle. raphael orlove: oh, leo, wehave a question from the commenters?
hi, by the way. raphael orlove: so sunriseshould be coming up in-- what is it? jf musial: an hour and a half. raphael orlove: hourand a half. so can you just talk us throughwhat's going to be happening without from adriver's perspective what that means about being on track? leo parente: you're tired.
the windshield's dirty. there's junk everywhere. the glare's going tobe in your eyes. so the challenge, reallybecomes-- it's almost like night racing. you start to use your memoryof where the track is. raphael orlove: [inaudible] who's number 48? leo parente: one ofthe lmp2 cars.
i think the murphy car. and you start to anticipatewhere the track is. because you're not going tohave a clear look at it. i have not driven le mans, soi'm not going to pretend to be that expert. but i've driven at dusk,driven at dawn. it ain't fun. raphael orlove: is it easier todrive at night than it is to drive at dawn?
leo parente: it's easier todrive without the glare. so yes. if that's your question. raphael orlove: that'sinteresting. leo parente: at leastfor me it was. the night, there wasthat consistency. and the glare? we were out in miami, lateafternoon practice session. heading into turn one andall you had was glare.
i hated it. you just had to imagine whenit was time to turn. and looking out at the side ofthe car, saying ok, here's the wall, time to turn. that was not fun. that became religious. raphael orlove: you had you're[inaudible] moment. the cursing in thecar was amazing. jf musial: very interesting pitstop strategy for the 51
corse in gt pro. 12 stops, everyoneelse is 13 or 14. and i'm trying to figurewhere they snuck it in. but they're getting it done. so unless they did somethingearly and stayed out on tires when everyone went to sometype of intermediate? jf musial: number 48 has spunaccording to quattroworld. raphael orlove: yeah,they have. leo parente: which isa p2 car, right?
raphael orlove: they're one ofthe lower oreca nissans. jf musial: thank you josh orwhoever's tweeting from le mans press room. we have george fromfourtitude. leo parente: hey, george. jf musial: stillawake with us. and [inaudible], who hopefullyhas not been molested on the floor of the press room. we're looking at it.
the 48 has spun. that's just shy of pit-in,i do believe. yeah, that's justshy of pit-in. that's a dangerous place foreveryone to be right there. all those [inaudible]. i would not want to be doingtheir job right now. that's an awesome shot therewith the ferris wheel. what did happen withthe rebellions? they're in the pitsan awful lot.
leo parente: there we go. so we still have a rebellionp4 before i talk too fast. they're four and six. so i guess it's not asbad as i thought. raphael orlove: i will saythat two of the top three audis have pitted morethan the lolas. so that's somethingto go for you. jf musial: they keep lookingat this back bumper. leo parente: i didn't realizethat was an e-tron that spun.
jf musial: yeah, it wasan e-tron that spun. leo parente: i have a feelingi know what alex would say. but do we like this light huedwhite-and-silver paint scheme for the e-tron versus somethingmore dark or german? or typically audi? it's quite typical audi. that's the scheme they used torun in their tin-top years. so that's what they'd run on alltheir like, whatever they were, audi 1000s.
or their old quattro-- their quattro touring cars. leo parente: oh, ok. raphael orlove: except thattheirs were better because they were a bit more linear. and they had a darkergray, as well. leo parente: i know whatyou're talking about. the 5000s-- raphael orlove: it's[inaudible].
jf musial: as george justpointed out, white was the original german color. leo parente: that's true. that's true. but you know how they becamesilver, right? everyone knows this story? raphael orlove: that's a verycontroversial story. leo parente: so whowants to go? you go.
because then i'm goingto debate it. leo parente: no, theni'm not going to let that happen to me. so you go first. well, reportedly, it wasthe mercedes cars were running some race. and i guess it was the '30s andwhatever the hell his name was, hermann, you know, thegreat overbearing mercedes crew chief, saw that the carswere just slightly overweight.
[german accent] and so he ordered that the carswould have their paint stripped away from them. now, this is what he wrote inhis own book [inaudible] account. jf musial: you had to do itwith a german accent? raphael orlove: i did have todo it with a german accent. because he's-- jf musial: vettel alreadyput you in your place.
and you-- raphael orlove: vettel failedto put me in my place. please continue. raphael orlove: so thisis something-- and i'm very sorry that i'mblanking on this guy's name-- but this whole story comesfrom his own book that he wrote accounting his years withthe grand prix teams. leo parente: i'm guessing,was it neubauer? raphael orlove: that'swho it is.
it's neubauer, yeah. leo parente: neubauer. raphael orlove: so this isneubauer, who is this fantastic guy. he's got one of the bestlines about racing. he said, the racingcar driver is the loneliest man in the world. really cool guy. but he came up withthis story.
he he writes this whole storyabout how they were just barely overweight. and in the night they buffed allthe paint off their car, took it back to be re-weighed,and it was just under weight. but there are conflictingaccounts on it. and it may have just been himbeing typical neubauer and just sort of making a storywhen there wasn't one. and just deciding that the carswere gonna be silver. raphael orlove: i will providea link to the historical
debate on this in the commentsif you're tired of watching cars go around inthe nighttime. jf musial: interestingfactoid, right now. as of this point, we've streamed14 hours and 30 minutes on the dot. with over 8,589 hours streamedacross the world individually. leo parente: so it got pickedup and kind of multiplied? jf musial: just byhow many people. we've already had 54,000unique visitors.
leo parente: that's what ilove about the internet. we can take a 24-hour race anddo 48 hours of programming. jf musial: well, if you countall the different people watching there's been over8,594 hours consumed of content and 54,259 uniqueindividuals have tuned into this. jf musial: last yearwas 64,000. leo parente: we're not done. because the race is--
honestly, we're in themiddle of this race. jf musial: we're picking upviewers right now, actually. we're in the middleof this race. and this thing's going topick up at the end. the audi battle is actuallygonna be allowed to go green against each other. i don't think the gtbattle is done yet. p2 could get exciting. leo parente: and there areenough amateurs out that i
could do an amateurhitting a p1 joke. but i'm not gonna. jf musial: it's ok. leo parente: nah. jf musial: no red bull orfive-hour energy drinks consumed, at this point. at least, on this desk. i haven't had any. leo parente: coffee, though.
jf musial: i haven'thad coffee since 8:00 am this morning. in face, i had half a subwaysandwich and some m&ms. leo parente: hey, whoget's the credit for bringing the coffee? who gets the public credit? jf musial: jordanvega over there. a good friend. jordan, you're always welcometo join us if you want to.
jordan vega: [inaudible]. jf musial: that's ok. that's ok. well, where'd alex go? leo parente: i don't know ithough he was gonna race. jf musial: i thought so too. leo parente: i was doingsome laps of sebring. jf musial: i saw you crashan [inaudible]. leo parente: you know?
you can't turn in on six flat. leo parente: i know. i know. i like it when the parts guycomes over to the porsche teams at the end of the raceto add up the bill. and i said to him once, i said,you really shouldn't show up here smiling. the teams really don'tappreciate that part of it. he said, this is my happy time.
no kidding. oh, god. more crew guys runningdown pit lane. that can't be good. this is the 4:00 am job. leo parente: the murphy-- jf musial: see? they just gave up. leo parente: i think that'sthe murphy p2 people.
because they-- oh, they're going togo find their car. jf musial: my joke was ruined. there was a car that actuallywas in distress. leo parente: and i shouldn'tmake fun of this. these are not fun times. jf musial: it's the number 48. raphael orlove: i'm goingto come back to this paint-stripping thingin five minutes.
how's the morgan doing? leo parente: well, i read theemail from the press release of the morgan retirementin p2. so we need to go check-- jf musial: the number35 is still running. leo parente: that'sthe nissan. oh, that's the nissan-poweredone, yeah. and to be frank-- jf musial: oh, wheel.
leo parente: that isnot gonna happen. last time i check we had astarworks honda in p2 being chased by pretty muchnissan, nissan, nissan, nissan, nissan. so let's see where the morganversion of it is. man, i don't find it. i have, in p2, starworks hpd,to your point, oreca nissan from pecom. the signatech oreca with thelittle anime on the fin.
oreca nissa, oreca nissan, ithink that's the murphy car, the 48, which was runningfifth in class. one, two, three, four, five. it no longer is. scott tucker's level 5. i'm sorry guys. the morgan is in the backof the p2 field. 193 laps against 201leading the class. jf musial: so we're getting abit of daylight right now over
the circuit. and alex roy, yes? alex roy: i just wanted topresent to anyone watching, how i want to execute theforza race against me. i have a list of gamer tags,probably about 25 tags at this point. and i'm gonna set up the gamein about 5, 10 minutes. and then i'm going to startsending out invitations to the list sequentially, basedon who submitted first.
i wanted to do a raceof 16 cars. and we're gonna do fourlaps of le mans. we're going to run the rulesas real le mans. so it's gonna be abs off,traction on, r1 class, upgrades allowed. we're not going to forcestock tuning. and if people drop out and don'timmediately jump back in, when the race is over i'mgonna go sequentially down the list of gamer tags andadd the next person
who's not been involved. i mean, i love doing this. and i'm not going to pretendi'm the best driver. but i'd like this to beas fun and realistic for everyone as possible. and i know it's forza, so don'tbother coming to me and saying gt5 is better. i don't have it here. we're going to do damage on,full on, that's the way it's
going to go, with tire wearand the whole deal. if you're going to start rammingpeople at the start line and hope that you survivethe damage model and then limp to the finish to take thewin, i'm gonna boot you. and i'm not going tosay that i'm gonna follow a line correctly. because i'm justnot that good. but it's going to be veryobvious to me if you're out there ramming people, youwant to go to war,
i'm gonna boot you. and that's the wayit's going to go. so i'm gonna get up andset up the game. and it's probably gonna take10 to 15 minutes to fill out the grid. but when it's full, i've got 16people, we're going to go. if you don't get included,don't worry. i'm probably going to play forabout two hours, take a break, and then start all over again.
so it would be verydisappointing to have you enter and then find that aftertwo laps you're tired. sim racing is easy becausewe will all survive. but four laps of le mans, ifyou're really serious about it, can be pretty tiring. and given my girth and health,i'll be sweating like a pig by the end. leo parente: you're kidding? leo parente: you're kidding.
alex roy: i'm a sweaty mess. so if you've got headsets,you can communicate. i will have a headset on andhopefully it will work. so i'm gonna go set it up now. and i'll probably pop back in infive minutes, let you know when it's ready. the game is gonna be calleddrive forza race. drive space forza race. run a search for it.
i will be back. jf musial: great stuff. leo parente: have a good run. jf musial: looking at the numberone audi has surpassed the number two. alex, can we film you? leo parente: let me tell youhow bad it is to be an american team in gt racingat le mans this year. there are nine cars running.
the bottom three arethe american cars. corvette, corvette,flying lizards. guys, guys, guys, guys. leo parente: and ferrari? where i was ready to mentallyslam them for just running private teams? one and two. the vantage aston martin three,two more ferraris. it's close.
i mean, we've got one lapbetween first and second. and second and third areon the same lap. but then there's a gap. [loud noise] leo parente: hey, he'syour friend. i just come here to work jf musial: you all rightover there, alex? leo parente: i was my fault. i left it at leo size.
alex, win the damn race,whatever you do, ok? jf musial: all right. leo parente: i'm gonnaruin the surprise. are we going to [inaudible]? leo parente: don't know yet. male speaker: about50 minutes. leo parente: in about 15 minuteswe're going to-- male speaker: 50. jf musial: in 15 minuteswe have a break.
leo parente: are there anycommenter questions we should chat about? stick with it. male speaker: that's actuallythe first on-camera yawn. male speaker: noteven midnight. jf musial: the number two r18e-tron with mcnish is four and 1/2 seconds behind andrelotterer in the number one. leo parente: so they tradedposition in pit stops? jf musial: no, i thinkit was on track.
jf musial: correct me if i'mwrong, boys and girls. jf musial: what's so funny? male speaker: people are alllike, what was that? what was that loud noise? alex is destroying shit. leo parente: what? didn't he alreadydo that earlier? jf musial: ian is here nowproducing the show with josh. leo parente: oh, yeah, hey.
hi, ian whelan, producer man. jf musial: by the way, did youhappen to see how the set was destroyed earlier today? ian whelan: i heard about it. jf musial: how did youhear about it? male speaker: i told him. jf musial: oh, ok. thank alex roy for thatone, as well. i just loved alex's reaction.
he destroys it and thenjust sits there. i think someone else-- male speaker: he took out outhis ipad and just started carrying on like nothinghappened. jf musial: and just expectedas if it was just gonna magically come back to life. and it didn't. gonna piss derek offby destroying his-- if you want to join in to thelive stream to see the feed,
the aco feed live.lemans-tv.com. we've got live timing there,as well as feeds throughout some of the in-car camerasat the track. sunrise will be in officiallyabout an hour. but you're gonna start seeingthe sunrise over le mans soon. we're going into happy hour. let's start pumping this up. happy hour comes inabout 10 minutes. leo parente: oh, becauseof the dawn?
jf musial: yeah, that'shappy hour. leo parente: they callit happy hour? jf musial: that's when thecars get the fastest. male speaker: explain that. why are the cars fastestat happy hour? jf musial: well, thetracks cool. more light on the trackso they can see. and the track has rubbered in. leo parente: i'm notdebating you.
jf musial: before it gets toohot, it's gonna be good. plus the drivers enjoy it. male speaker: and what are wegonna do at happy hour? jf musial: i don't know whatare we doing at happy hour? male speaker: i think we'regonna have a drink. leo parente: what do younormally do at happy hour? male speaker: we're gonnaget a little bit faster. male speaker: yeah, we mightneed to do a shot. alex roy: may i have adrink before i drive?
male speaker: no. male speaker: absolutely not. what's the [inaudible]of james hunt. what's the third-to-lastline of every drive credit sequence? i will give a free t-shirt tothe first commenter who mentions this in any comment. jf musial: what is thethird-to-last comment in every drive episode in the credits?
free t-shirt to someone thatactually gets this right. male speaker: it'sreally easy. jf musial: i'm lookingat the comments. leo parente: alwayswear a condom? was that it? no? male speaker: thatshould help them. leo parente: i'm wearingone right now. just in case.
jf musial: let's see who-- someone almost got it right. male speaker: not quite. obviously not too manydie-hard drive fans you bastards. male speaker: or we're meetingjust people who don't watch the credits, which itotally understand. jf musial: oh, got it. leo parente: so what is it?
jf musial: i got it. he just had caps in it. noforspeed91, "drive safe." josh: ok. noforspeed91, send an email tojosh at tangentvector.com. if you don't know how to spellit, then you fail. you lose. you won't get your shirt. jf musial: you're aboutto get so many emails.
leo parente: i stillargue that drive-- josh: i get all the spam emailsfrom tangent anyway. leo parente: i will stillargue that "drive safe" implies wearing a condom. jf musial: noforspeed91, youjust won a free t-shirt. a free drive shirt forgetting that right. congratulations. we are 11 minutes awayfrom happy hour. let's start getting excited.
leo parente: i thought we were11 minutes from done. leo parente: how manyhours to go? male speaker: 10. jf musial: i'm done with math. leo parente: 10 hours? about 10 hours, right? 10. jf musial: i don't know whattime zone we're on. male speaker: 10 hours to go.
yeah, you're right. 10 hours and 10 minutes,as a matter of fact. george is headingout for sunrise. we're gonna start seeingsunrise over the circuit very shortly. mike spinelli: so thisis a happy hour for photography, too? that's actually-- leo parente: get some realglamorous stuff?
jf musial: all the photographersare now heading out to the track to getthe glamour shots. it's gonna be the bestpart of the day. for photos. should be interesting. leo parente: you walkedthe track. george is out there. where do you like photographing race cars at le mans?
jf musial: afternoon,dunlop curves. jf musial: morning? leo parente: on which side ofthe bridge, like coming over, through the bridge? or from the back? jf musial: if i remembercorrectly, it was actually before the bridge. jf musial: and actuallyafter the bridge. leo parente: those little ss?
jf musial: actually, and alsoonto the mulsanne straight. that's actually an awesomeplace with the tree line. leo parente: that'sa fast corner. jf musial: that's avery fast corner. but that's also a good spot. for photography's sake, you wantto have some sloped spots and whatnot. leo parente: how doyou capture speed? i mean, i know they'regoing a turn a half.
jf musial: with photos? [inaudible] the sun. but how do you capture it? jf musial: long exposures. you gotta get a longexposure-- leo parente: whatdoes that do? create the blur? jf musial: exactly. you want to have a blur so youcan show that, but you also
want to put it in perspective. you want to have a foreground,we're not going into this conversation. it's very boring. but thank you, iappreciate it. hey, alex? cool. eight minutes to happy hour. leo parente: should iget another coffee?
jf musial: i don't knowwhat he's doing. hey josh, let's get somethingready to go. hold on, alex is going tohave an announcement. leo parente: apparently it's ared-flag session over at-- jf musial: alex roy, everyone. alex roy, everyone. the game is created. and i need 14 more playersto log in now. the game is called uppercasedrive space lm space race.
you can search for it. the first 14 people to fillout the grid, we start. alternatively, if you want tolook me up and send me a friend message, i'llaccept you. i am uppercase first word"polizei." p-o--l-i-z-e-i space uppercase a uppercase rlower case o-y. i'm going to go back to chair and sit andwait for the next 14-- male speaker: m-n-o-p. alex roy: cowards to log in.
and i look forwardto [inaudible]. forza, off the set. for some reason sethmacfarlane keeps coming up on my screen. i don't know why, but it does. there is a car off. we have a crash. it looks like theporsche curves. oh, heavy crash.
that's a gt car. that's a porsche. raphael orlove: is it? jf musial: that's a porsche. oh, safety car. we are full-course yellowsafety car, right before happy hour. leo parente: anyone see why? it looked like a porsche,don't know who.
leo parente: there aren'ta lot of them left. jf musial: the audi rs5 safetycar is out there leading the pack, picked up the topof the gt class. leo parente: can you identifywhat optional equipment is on that car? jf musial: shut up. leo parente: which package? jf musial: not happening. hold on, let's tryto identify.
this is the porsche[inaudible]. leo parente: this looks likecoming out of porsche curves and that's not theway to do it. male speaker: porschenumber 75. jf musial: [inaudible],typical 911. leo parente: i was notgoing to say that. they've improved thecar so much. it's a porsche. i believe it's number 75.
leo parente: 7-5? prospeed. honestly, you lost me. i can't see it. oh, i see it. pro am number 75, theblack and white one. jf musial: trying to figure outwho crashed out there on the porsche curves. raphael orlove: who crashed?
jf musial: oh, it mayhave been an aston? leo parente: boy, it lookedporsche to me. but if it's the aston, it'sthe remaining one. because the amateur astonis out [inaudible]. that looked porsche. jf musial: it lookedporsche as well, leo parente: thereare your lights. they now glow two colors whenthey're in pit lane, on the front of the audi.
jf musial: that's so cool. jf musial: [inaudible]the leds. i hate everyone. leo parente: the led markerlights, they color code them so you can identify whichcar on the team. raphael orlove: that'sawesome. the aco is saying that safetycar after number 75 porsche hit wall at the porschecurves, where else? jf musial: that was theremaining pro gt?
leo parente: no, itwas this one. amateur. jf musial: oh, am. safety workers are cleaningthe track. leo parente: we're whittlingdown the orange cars little by little. leo parente: help me do theeuropean to english conversion. how big is 90 centimeters?
jf musial: 90 centimeters? male speaker: in inches. just under three feet. male speaker: 35 inches. leo parente: how much? male speaker: oh, 90? leo parente: nine-zero. male speaker: 30 to a foot. male speaker: about 35 inches.
that's three feet. male speaker: so anybody whowants to race, tell them to submit their tags right now. jf musial: anybody who wouldlike to race right now on forza, you must submit yourtags at this very moment. because we're having troublewith the public forum thing. jf musial: submit yourtags right now. we are coming to the top ofthe hour, happy hour is approaching.
four minutes. leo parente: are wedoing a break? jf musial: we willbe doing a break. raphael orlove: by the way,getting to the bottom of this paint-scraping story-- jf musial: oh, they're holdingeveryone on pit lane. oh, they're waiting forthe safety car. that's what they're doing. leo parente: and again, the acorules-- and i don't know
the details-- are a littledifferent than alms rules. so you just get put in the backof the line, i think. jf musial: the wecrules, you mean. leo parente: whateveri said, yeah, yeah. whatever i said versuswhat i meant. they're sending out theguys stacked up in pit lane, all right. so it's kind of differentat le mans. there's not one safety car.
there's actually three safetycars to pick up the fields in different places. because it's so big. so when we say safety car, weactually mean three safety cars picking up in threedifferent parts the packs. i think it's time forus to take a break. we are in a safety car period. and we're going to come backto happy hour at le mans as the sun rises.
fastest time around the track. leo parente: and while we're onbreak, let's filter through the video interviews,see if we haven't used anything that-- jf musial: when we comeback, we'll-- leo parente: that'swhat i mean. be back in 60. jf musial: this is the25 hours of the 24 hours of le mans.
welcome to happy hour. happy hour, of course, is thesunrise over le mans. le mans only gets seven hoursof darkness at this time of year at the track. so right now, the cars arebreathing heavily, they've got the cold air. they're running fast. the track is rubbered in. and it's happy hour.
so cheers to that. leo parente: salud, everyone. jf musial: everyone in theroom, congratulations. we are almost 3/4 of theway through this. [cheering] jf musial: right now we're on asafety car period because of a porsche that crashed in theporsche curves, of course. [inaudible] first. we've got the number 97--
leo parente: 75, i think. 75. i apologize for that. right now, alex roy'son forza. if you please would messagehim so that he will stop annoying us and that youguys can have fun. leo parente: and startracing for god sakes. there's alex. alex roy: we have an awesomegrid lining up,
it's getting crazy. leo parente: let us know howit goes when it's done. and you better win. male speaker: how many peopleyou got so far, alex? male speaker: how many peopledo you have so far? alex roy: how many do i have? i've got one, two, three-- jf musial: did we [inaudible]? alex roy: i have eight people.
i [inaudible] four more. i'm gonna post mygamer tag again. leo parente: and what carare you guys racing? alex roy: i'm gonna bedriving the audi r18 tdi from last year. leo parente: so thisis a p1 race? alex roy: i've got a toyotagt1, oreca 908. i got a mazda. i got [inaudible].
these people are notjoking around. male speaker: how long is thisrace going to be, alex? male speaker: four laps. four laps of la sarthe. 8.6 miles. jf musial: i guess. with the chicanes. male speaker: 8.5. jf musial: with the chicanes.
alex roy: by the way, everybody,this is going to be forced cockpit view. because that's what men do. everybody online justsaid, oh, no. leo parente: hey, youknow what, alex? anything worse than fourth, iget to call you a coward. good luck, by the way. go get 'em. the sun is starting torise over le mans.
this is when thingsget interesting. leo parente: you know, we kindof went through a lull period here in the middle the race. jf musial: well, we're stillon a lull period right now. leo parente: well, afull course yellow. but i think the action'sgoing to pick up. i don't think a lot of theseclasses are done with. and i really do think they'regonna unleash the audis and let them race heads up.
jf musial: absolutely, yeah. so where do you expectaction coming up? talk us through the classes. leo parente: well, like i justsaid, i think the audis are going to be allowed to go ateach other, see if mcnish or lotterer get a win. lotterer to retain, mcnish towin his third overall le mans. and kristensen, how manywould that be? 28?
jf musial: this will be nine. leo parente: somethinglike that. jf musial: wow. raphael orlove: that would be an exciting record. leo parente: and then in gt. i don't think gt is over. there's a one-lap gap betweenfirst, second, and third. i don't have it rightin front of me.
raphael orlove: it'sactually a two-lap between first and third. one lap down, ferrari. two laps down, aston vantage. leo parente: so firstand second are what? within one lap in gt? leo parente: and thenhow's p2 looking? is that over, or is there stillcompetition for the starworks [inaudible]?
raphael orlove: the first orecais just a lap down on the starworks motorsportshpd-honda. but it's a long way down beforeyou get to anything else interesting. there's a zytek nissan that'sthree laps down. and the next morgan is down at196 laps compared to the 205 of the leading p2 car. leo parente: so maybe i'mgetting a little ambitious. i know we talked about stilldouble-digit hours left.
but i just lost it, if we'resitting at 204, 205 laps and the other cars are deeper behindthat, i mean it may come down to those threeor four cars. jf musial: so as much as we liketo talk about happy hour being a time on track where-- alex roy: jf. alex, i was purposelyignoring you there. if you didn't noticeme doing that. leo parente: that sounds good.
alex roy: and i have aclassic ferrari f40. i've got some ancient cars. i've got some 908s. and i think we're aboutto get started here. jf musial: he had toannounce that. anyway. so happy hour-- leo parente: that wasexciting to me. as heckman has just texted me,the importance of happy hour
is not only just for fun, andnot only just for the cars running fast. but this is when theteams start working back their pit strategy. they try to figure out, ok,how much time do we have? what do we need to get done? this is the time at whichthey figure out the rest of the race. the sun is rising over thedunlop bridge right now.
it's getting cool, trackis lighting up. safety car, this a timeall the drivers are getting to rest. hey, alex. yeah, i hear you. don't worry, it's cool. leo parente: give us thereport after you race. raphael orlove: i'm tryingto figure out something's happened to the aston.
it stopped on it's out lap. the 97 aston. jf musial: oh, that's cool. we actually get to see the brakechange on this ferrari. raphael orlove: oh,that's awesome. jf musial: they're pushing thecaliper pistons back, getting that rotor in there. that's a hard job to do. think of the amount ofheat that's going
through those corners. raphael orlove: whati find insane is-- don't give him-- male speaker: well, he'sbeen waiting to set this up for like-- jf musial: he already crashed. male speaker: four hours. leo parente: so no. let him race.
and then we'll get a report. male speaker: this is awesome. the forza drive competitionhas already started. raphael orlove: thisis gonna be so fun. leo parente: as he'sracing his r-- oh. raphael orlove: there'sno point in keeping anyone else talking. because he's justgoing to scream through the whole thing.
leo parente: no, no, no. don't enable him. but show the video,because it's good. male speaker: you'regetting shunted all over the place, man. male speaker: everyoneis just hitting him. this is the most worthless. oh, he's a coward. male speaker: he'snot in last.
raphael orlove: so somethingis going on with the aston. are they out? i'm watching the forzafeed right now. because i want to see-- raphael orlove: what thehell is happening? under yellow? jf musial: [inaudible]tenth place, ok. free drive t-shirt to the personwho knocks him out. let's see if someoneactually listens.
leo parente: so this video, lookat the paint scheme of that corvette. speed is showing two-year-oldvideo from corvette racing. i mean, i'm all forthe infomercials. but can we stay at leastcurrent, for god sakes? raphael orlove: is thistwo years old? leo parente: its last year'sgraphics on the car. raphael orlove: who knows? no one here's a racingenthusiast,
how would you know? [inaudible] cool footage. leo parente: guess they'regiving you a lap at le mans from the point of viewof a corvette race car, which is fun. jf musial: i keep gettingreports of the aston. what's going on? raphael orlove: letme double check. jf musial: it looks like thatwreck is still being cleared.
in the porsche curves. leo parente: why is myradio le mans french? raphael orlove:[speaking german]. leo parente: can we vet theinvite list next year? raphael orlove: unbelievable. jf musial: aston martin, i don'tbelieve this, ran a red light in pit lane, stopped ontrack to make up for it. that's not the way tomake up for it. because they'll still hold youin pit lane and then call you
an idiot for doing that. leo parente: what do theyuse for safety cars? audi. jf musial: audi rs5s. they had an audi a1 quattrosport, like a concept car, that ran as well. jf musial: the safety carsthis year at le mans. raphael orlove: are the what? jf musial: rs5s, yeah.
leo parente: i guess youmay be reading the same comments, we'll see. i think the aston martin wasjust falling in line. based on the rules ofthe pace car and-- raphael orlove: whatdo you think, leo? jf musial: got it. got it. leo parente: the aston was justfalling in line based on the pace-car rules.
they couldn't make a lap. jf musial: it would be coolto drive le mans. raphael orlove: are we on air? we're on air, man. raphael orlove: all right. so briefly to address somethingthat absolutely no one cares about, evensort of myself. leo parente: well, then it'sdefinitely something we should talk about.
raphael orlove: ofcourse we should. so it appears that the legendof the silver arrows with their paint getting takenoff is indeed a myth. there are some pretty conclusivephotographs of the cars before the race, andthey're definitely painted silver not white. no paint to be stripped. leo parente: do you know thatit was paint, or did they strip the cars?
raphael orlove: well, the firstaccount that is made of it is in 1959 by neubauer. there are no contemporaryreports of it whatsoever. it seems to just be-- leo parente: did neubauer sayit was paint or stripped? raphael orlove: well, hisaccount says they stripped off the paint, not for getting thepaint off, but for getting the lacquering underneath it off. from a statement made by anotherman on his team that
involved a play on words bya german joke, which then inspired him to getoff the paint. but it does not seem like it'ssomething that actually happened, to me. i'm not going to dispute you. i'll do my homework. raphael orlove: indeed. and you'll come backand argue. we never argue.
so how did you and i endup running this thing? where is everyone else, huh? raphael orlove: i thinkthey all died. jf musial: cold pizza. [inaudible] come back. i need my mic [inaudible]. leo parente: so whatwas last article you wrote for jalopnik? raphael orlove: the lastone i wrote for
jalopnik was on the deltawing. jf musial: sorry about that. i went to go get aslice of pizza. leo parente: no, this is good. this looks very dorm room. so what'd you write about. i'm sorry i didn't readit. raphael orlove: youmissed nothing. it was on the top geardeltawing, which i haven't
raphael orlove: the topgear deltawing? leo parente: oh, yeah,yeah, yeah. raphael orlove: so ibelieve they were trailering it out to france. but i haven't seen anypictures of it there. they built it in 39 days. 377 man hours. leo parente: andits front-wheel drive, isn't it, really?
it's not front-wheel drive. leo parente: where'sthe engine? raphael orlove: it'sa westfield. leo parente: oh, so i get it. so front engine, rear-- raphael orlove: reardrive, yeah. it was the only thingnarrow enough. leo parente: but it'snot mid-engine like the real delta.
they want to check ona forza update. forza update? leo parente: someone give usa report from the field. what lap is he on? and how's he doing? male speaker: he's onlap two of four. leo parente: oh, i can seethe screen, i'm sorry. i'll give you the update. male speaker: all right.
leo parente: alex roy in hisr18 fighting against some other p1 competitionis in fourth place. i can see that, youjust drive. fourth place out of ten. he's halfway through his race. two laps out of the four. his last lap was a 4:14. and he's currentlyon a 6:56 lap? raphael orlove: it seems thereare some retirements.
leo parente: frontpart of the grid. you can see now, it'son the screen. male speaker: oh, no. leo parente: coming towardindianapolis, and i right in my guessing? jf musial: we'll check withhim again in the last lap. leo parente: if he makes it. jf musial: sunriseover la sarthe. safety car period at this point,waiting for an accident
to be cleared in theporsche curves. until then-- raphael orlove: tworetirements. jf musial: right now? two lolas are out. p2 lolas. raphael orlove: thingsyou don't really have to care about. leo parente: did theyjust drop out, or
were they out before? raphael orlove: i guess theywere in the pits before, and are now done for. jf musial: mike spinelliis still here, yes? he's sitting back there. they're just askingwhere man-boob is. we need man-boob here. the 29 and 31 lolas are out. leo parente: two-nineand three-one.
two-nine? three-one is the lotuspainted p2 lola. and two-nine is the gulfone, with ihara. i think they wentout a while ago. they crashed a long time ago. leo parente: i don't mean tomake light of that, but-- it's all good. leo parente: "too bad wecan't call in." yeah, that would be perfect.
"lag on the controller"? jf musial: alex. and thank you [inaudible] proving that i don't play thesesims as much as you think i do. or it was me passing judgmenton alex's driving ability, assuming that he wasdoing nine-minute, seven-minute laps. so i apologize for that.
is he on is whiteflag lap yet? jf musial: alex is in fourthout of ten place. leo parente: the spotter'sguide, someone asked. it's real easy. andy blackmore designs. it actually is on thesimraceway blog. i'm not doing a plug, althoughi guess i am for simraceway. but that's the best placeto find the download. jf musial: you explaining ifyou were doing a plug, you
plugged again. leo parente: i know that. i know that. but that's what this is. and it's very helpful. le mans right nowis beautiful. look at this. beautiful. it's sad that we'restill under--
leo parente: jf is showing methe picture of the dawn sunrise as the car passedunder the dunlop bridge. jf musial: it's beautifulright now. leo parente: prettydamn elegant. jf musial: welcome to happy hourat the 25 hours of the 24 hours of le mans right here ondrive. youtube.com/drive, as well as youtube.com's frontpage at this very moment. raphael orlove: guten morgen. guten morgen.
we are 5:15 in the morning overat la sarthe, the le mans circuit west of paris, france. and we are comingup on 11:20 pm. we've got-- don't "oh, my god."i'm having fun. jf musial: we've got like sevenhours more of this crap. raphael orlove: i'm havinga great time. jf musial: we've gota lot of time left. male speaker: nine hours,40 minutes.
jf musial: nine hoursleft of this. leo parente: what kindof car do i drive? i live in manhattan. i drive a metro card in thenew york subway system. i actually don't own a car. raphael orlove: heyleo, what's your favorite le mans car? raphael orlove: i know mine. leo parente: well, thenanswer it for me.
i hate that. but go ahead. answer it for me. "i knowmine." what's my-- he asked me a question, thenhe's gonna tell me his answer. so just tell me your answer,don't ask me. i want to know your answer. leo parente: i want to hearyou first now, smart ass. the mirage m1. leo parente: the mirage m1?
jf musial: what truthjust came out? raphael orlove: the johnwyre car he ran in '67. leo parente: so it was the fordgt smooth side with the smaller top? the one they ran while shelbywas busy running the seven-liter whatever thing. leo parente: why doyou like that car? raphael orlove: becauseit's weird. leo parente: weird?
raphael orlove: it's weird. it's like, you knowthe breadvan gto? leo parente: ferrari? the ferrari gto breadvan. leo parente: the one off? raphael orlove: it was likethe gt40 breadvan. because it ended up becoming the'68 and '69 winning car. they took what they learnedoff the mirage. wyre took what he learned offthe car, then built a gt40 for
it the next year and that car isthe one that won two years, the same chassis,twice in a row. never done again. leo parente: so i think, and youcan fix what i'm about to say, i think that that miragebody was the planned evolution for the gt40. leo parente: and he ranit as they moved on to the mark fours. because he got fired.
leo parente: and the reasonwhy they went back to the classic gt40 body work was whenthey changed the rules, it was a homologation issue? they changed the rules so thatprototypes could only be three liters, but sports carscould be five liters. and since they built so manygt40s, they classified as sports cars. so they went back to john wyreand said, hey, can you actually build us a gt40 thatwill run [inaudible].
leo parente: what size motorswere the porsches running when they were fightingthe gulf wyre? raphael orlove: the 908swere three-liter sixes. and they were runningwith ferrari 312bs. those were gorgeous, incase you're wondering. one of the prettiestcars to run. leo parente: oh, nothey weren't. they weren't. those were those long noses,long flat nose, the 312.
open cockpit, is that the one? no, they ran an opencockpit in can-am. those were pretty, too. no, these were the ones thatwere like extremely low. raphael orlove: beautiful. horribly ugly. raphael orlove: love it. leo parente: proportionswere all wrong. raphael orlove: proportionswere beautiful.
leo parente: nothing likea 330 p3 or p4. leo parente: uh, yeah. i just said that out loud. jf musial: it looks as if mcnishis back out front under the safety car period. male speaker: who was it earlierof our hosts who was calling toyota aston? male speaker: was that alex? male speaker: i think it was.
male speaker: or morgan aston. someone said something aston. well, aston is in p2right now, so. yay. leo parente: they jumped-- jf musial: no, they're not. leo parente: they jumpedthe ferrari? p3. oh, maybe they will be.
because the 59 is inthe pits right now. they're on the samelap, lap 196. raphael orlove: are talkingabout gt pro? in gt pro. leo parente: so someone thoughtaston was going the way of toyota? in answer to your question,favorite cars. it's tough. i liked the white peugeotswhen they won.
i thought they were-- raphael orlove: the 905s? leo parente: but again,the day i cannot not like the 917 lh. raphael orlove: oh, man. leo parente: i lovethe ford gt-- raphael orlove: which isyour favorite livery? the hippie one orthe [inaudible]? leo parente: well, i actuallyliked the gulf long-tail that
had the orange cab. raphael orlove: i didnot know they ran a gulf long-tail, actually. i thought they onlyran 917ks in gulf. leo parente: it was a bigcontroversy because wyre did not want to run the long-tail. but he felt, or was convinced,by someone that was a big advantage. and the car failed.
leo parente: and the short-tailswon the race. the magnesium short-tail, ifi recall, won the race. raphael orlove: i reallylike john wyre. apparently we was a terribleman to work with, very overbearing. leo parente: welcome toracing, who isn't? you gotta be demanding. raphael orlove: but he actuallyjoined racing reluctantly.
his wife encouragedhim to do it. he was just an engineerand his wife said you should try it and-- leo parente: you know triviathings i have no knowledge of. raphael orlove: i watched thedocumentary on him, that's all it's on google video,is not on youtube. jf musial: i watcha pbs special about it, i'm an expert. leo parente: current cars,which do i like?
do you really like theaston or are you not that crazy about it? leo parente: the gt? i like the ferrari as a gt, andto be honest, now i start to get into the current cars,performance matters. jf musial: we have big news. alex roy, will you pleaseapproach the set and explain what just happened. no, no, no, no, no.
video doesn't translate wellwhen you don't actually provide vocal [inaudible]. leo parente: did hemake the podium? he won't tell me. leo parente: well, but i'mlooking at the screen. jf musial: hey, alex. you want to come talk aboutwhat just happened? no, i'm with you. i'm buying into this.
does he need a mic? jf musial: he can sitnext to raphael. leo parente: no,the other way. the other way. guest gets closer to the emcee,you go down the couch. we just had a veryinteresting race. what just happened? alex roy: that wasvery interesting. jason bordeaux, old friend ofteam polizei, was in the lead
at one point with an11,000 foot lead. so that's a whole lapor something, right? anyway, bordeaux,very good job. and it was tough. i didn't really comein fourth. i cam in like sixth, becauseeveryone lined up at the finish to wait for the slowestdrivers before the race timer kicked in. so it was set at 30 seconds.
so i rolled across unfairlybecause i was panicking i wouldn't hit the finish line. jf musial: so you're a cheat? alex roy: it was justaccidental. and we had the openinggrid was like f1. i think we lost 1/3 of the gridin the first 50 feet. all destroyed. then i had a lot of aero damage,some steering damage, suspension damage beforei got to first turn.
however, i really enjoyed it. and i would have to say that theguys are very professional and serious. and after i have relaxed andcalmed down and wiped my head, we're gonna go back intothe game, baby. and we're going to openit up to other classes, gt cars, and-- leo parente: can you racemultiple classes in one race? you can race multiple classes.
so i hope to see some gt cars. and i'll be going back in withsomething a little more probably a 2010 aston lola,which is a very fun, very bad handling but very quick car. and trust me, it'sa really fun car. leo parente: aston lola? i'm drawing a blank here. alex roy: you'll see it. so i'm gonna be back inabout two minutes.
leo parente: oh, i remember theaston lola, it's awesome. alex roy: it's a great car. we're gonna get backin the game. so we have a coupleof open slots. so if you would like to join us,then send me a message at polizei, that's capitalizedp-o-l-i-z-e-i space capital a capital r lowercase o-y. leo parente: what are you gonnado different this race to improve your performance?
alex roy: i am gonna slow downat the start and let the other cars crack up andget destroyed. and then i'm gonna drivearound them. and i'm going to get backin the game, baby. but i really enjoyed it. and i look forward to doingseveral more races in quick succession. leo parente: did your lap times,were they consistent? i started out at like a 4:10.
and i brought itdown to a 3:48. raphael orlove: thoseare not consistent. leo parente: no,but that's ok. alex roy: i got better. leo parente: first lap was[inaudible] the first lap beat a bunch of trafficand banging. alex roy: and i washeavily damaged. leo parente: are you talkingabout the car or the driver? i'm sober at this point.
sober with victory. leo parente: so afterthe 3:48-- i'm not busting your balls-- i'm just trying to figure out,after the 3:48 do you recall what you did in lap three? alex roy: it might be inthe 3:50, i don't know. that was my fastest. i dropped seven seconds. then i dropped likeone second.
then i dropped likea few tenths of a second, that was it. i couldn't [inaudible] to sixth gear. and it was stuck at like 175miles on the straight. leo parente: but you didn'tgive back time? and i believe, i'm gonna doublecheck, that jason bordeaux, whose gamer tag is thedriver144, which is really nice, was driving, ithink a toyota gt1.
leo parente: oh, wow. and was killing it. so i'm wondering if there isn'ta future in racing for cars with greater armoring thatcan withstand damage and stay in the game, baby. that's the difference betweenlight infantry reconnaissance and the knight. leo parente: when isyour next race? alex roy: i'm going to getback in the seat in about
three minutes. so again, if you want to joinwe have a few open spots in the grid, send me a message. polizei, p-o-l-i-z-e-i, allcapitalized, space capital a, capital r, lower case o, lowercase y. and you will receive a response back with a game invitation within five minutes. and we're gonna get started. leo parente: cool.
alex roy: thanks guys. awesome. jf musial: perfect timing, thesafety car, thank you, alex. good luck with that. the safety car isin on this lap. leo parente: by the way, this'llbe the punchline in a moment, the pro am leader isnow the chevy corvette of larbre racing. so there still be a chevroletwin ad out of this race.
pass for the lead andthen lost it. raphael orlove: [deep voice] dang. jf musial: what thehell was that? raphael orlove: dang? leo parente: here comesdavidson's accident speed is recapping the race. jf musial: oh no. they're going lights out on thesafety car, the audi rs5.
we're going green. going green. happy hour at la sarthe. look at that. beautiful shots coming infrom the world feed. raphael orlove: oh,that is gorgeous. jf musial: mcnish is p1. leo parente: starworksis p2 leader. ferrari in gt pro.
and the corvette in pro am. and you're right, green flag. jf musial: so mcnishis leading the race at this point. let's see how well thisgoes for him. we now are tuning intothe world feed, it's dawn over the track. absolutely beautiful. leo parente: i tellyou, that--
jf musial: it's cool, right? it's really cool looking. krohn racing. they're everywhere. jf musial: krohn is literallyat every race i see. leo parente: well, he'sat all the big events. he seems to be doing kindof a marquee season-- sebring, daytona, le mans. we won't see him at lime rock.
sorry, lime rock. hey, josh. josh: hey, man. jf musial: josh has joined-- leo parente: finally,on the couch. jf musial: the couch. raphael orlove: you know? the shots at night werereally wonderful. but this is--
jf musial: this is is awesome. guys, if you're not watching,go to the feed. this is the timeto be watching. male speaker: don'twatch some dudes. jf musial: cars are the fastest,beautiful light, no one's out, it's awesome. raphael orlove: i lovehow the headlights overlap over each other. it just looks cool.
josh: so jf, as you were sayingbefore, happy hour is the fastest time on the track. now is when we see, is it trulythe fastest lap times of the race so far? jf musial: let's see. let's hope so, so my point isn'tdisproven and i look like a fool. but yeah, let's start lookingat the lap times. you're saying no?
leo parente: no, i'm saying youdon't look like a fool. you're not a fool. thank you. leo parente: but it's early. there's still time to go. josh: that might be the nicestthing you've ever said to jf. raphael orlove: he mightnot be a fool. leo parente: was the camerarunning there? really?
josh: we've got you. we've got you documentedsaying something nice. did your timing and scoringjust zero everything out. jf musial: yeah, timingand scoring is not playing along very well. how's it going, ian? ian whelan: not bad. jf musial: good. leo parente: are there anyvideos we want to run?
jf musial: not right now. glad we discussed that. jf musial: i'd rathersave them for when we're dying late. raphael orlove: oh, man-- leo parente: i'm telling you,the clock's gonna tick off quicker than you know. josh: i don't know. it couldn't be tickingany slower right now.
i keep looking up and it'snot midnight yet. and i'm like punching myself. leo parente: so timing score isback, just to give you some context here. and i'm actually losingcars off the lineup. jf musial: the astonmartin's p2. leo parente: interesting. so for what it's worth, i thinkthe e-tron quattro audi has turned the best thereis so far at a 3:26.3.
i thought i saw one of thetoyotas at a 3:36.8. jf musial: and mcnish just gotpassed by andre lotterer. jf musial: mcnish is inthe pit right now. leo parente: oh, that'show they got passed. and to your point-- josh: oh, dude. i hadn't seen that. jf musial: the lights? josh: the audi when the--
the start-up sequence ofthe audi headlights? badass. jf musial: very badass. leo parente: now, it'll beinteresting to watch when lotterer comes in, orif he already did? because according to this, nowthey're on 20 pit stops. jf musial: rebelliontoyota has spun. raphael orlove: no, notthe rebellion toyota. jf musial: i'm trying to figureout where this is.
leo parente: looks likeporsche curve-ish. but i may be wrong. jf musial: no, that's-- oh. josh: it's like yellowand green flagged. raphael orlove: no, it is. they're like, go, wait, no. wait, don't go. we lied. leo parente: left front isnot at the right angle.
josh: get that guya yellow flag. raphael orlove: game is full. this is roy, game isfull, going to be running in five minute. jf musial: that's a bad move. raphael orlove: somethingelse. josh: oh, what was that? did he just cross the track? that was a bad move.
raphael orlove: ok, this isdefinitely lessons in how not to recover your carafter spinning. don't drive across the track. jf musial: i would'vejust dropped the clutch and spun it. leo parente: what cornerdo you think that is? jf musial: i think that's raphael orlove: oh. this is like a car backing outof a space [inaudible].
jf musial: go, go. do it now. you got to do it now. you have to do it now. josh: this is crazy. leo, so it's up the driver--oh, jesus. in a situation like this, it'sup to the driver to decide when it's safest togo back on track? or is there a track workersomewhere signalling him?
leo parente: actually, the trackworkers are supposed to give some guidance. but this guy's busy doing theband flag program here. josh: because honestly-- oh, there's a group of trafficworkers on the side. but the guy's not listening. josh: so maybe he's gotsomething wrong with the car. leo parente: yeah. yeah. yeah. look at the guy's like[inaudible].
josh: oh, they gotta givehim a push now. jf musial: they're just gonnafucking push him now. oh, i'm sorry. in leo parente: fairness,he may have trouble getting into gear. but that's to your point, he'sgot to drop the clutch josh: it's all pro drivers,obviously, driving this-- mike spinelli: in rebellion?
yeah, it is. that was 19, no 12? jf musial: 13. mike spinelli: 13. josh: that looks really,really unsafe. raphael orlove: thingsthat look safe-- not that. leo parente: that's right afterthe porsche curves. yeah, yeah, yeah.
that was the end of theporsche curves. oh, here's the action. and a little sideways. so what are we watchingright now? well, this is the 25 hours ofthe 24 hours of le mans. this is happy hour, going at lasarthe at the 80th running of the 24 hours of le mans. right now, you're joinedby myself jf musial, leo parente, orlove.
josh: raphael orlove. jf musial: and josh[inaudible]. josh: guten morgen. jf musial: guten morgen. german. raphael orlove: jah. leo parente: is spinellicoming back? mike spinelli: hi. raphael orlove: hey, mike.
mike spinelli: i don'thave a microphone. leo parente: take mine. mike spinelli: really? mike spinelli: look at this. josh: i don't havea microphone. raphael orlove: i'm probablyjust touching-- josh: why don't you fort up? why don't you man-boobit up right here-- mike spinelli: can i man-boobit up right there?
josh: yeah. you stay over there. why don't we fort him in. get that pillow. leo parente: mike looksa little off there. jf musial: this is happyhour at le mans. josh: we haven't done threeguys on the couch yet. this is gonna be a first. raphael orlove: oh, this isgonna be really awkward.
mike spinelli: luckilywe have only one cup. three guys, one cup. [groans] mike spinelli: that's somevintage youtube humor. josh: i'm not even gonnafort you in. leo parente: i thoughtwe already had three guys on the couch. mike spinelli: is thismicrophone on? josh: no.
leo parente: look at this, itlooks like a team picture. mike spinelli: thisis not on, josh? josh: it should be, though. mike spinelli: shouldn'tit be? jf musial: oh, it's so coolwatching sunrise over le mans. leo parente: so do i needto check [inaudible] aston martin in p2? yes it is. mike spinelli: so can you guysfill me in on what's going?
raphael orlove: uh, there'ssome racing stuff. not important. mike spinelli: i'vebeen sleeping. raphael orlove: so the afcorse ferrari is up. and a lap down is the astonmartin vantage. popping up to things thatare less dynamic. it is lmp1, e-tron quattro oflotterer and audi team sport joest is up. and on the same lap, just behindhim, is the e-tron
quattro of also team joest,with capello. audi sport is down to third. fourth is the rebellion. p2? hpd-honda. one lap down is the oreca nissanand then just a bunch more nissans and zyteks. all the way down ingt am there's a corvette sitting happy.
but just behind him onthe same lap there's a porsche 911 rsr. and then three lapsdown is a 458. and that's what's going on. mike spinelli: i missed it. can you repeat that? say it again, man. so what are aston martin'schances, leo? leo parente: as goodas any right now.
they're one lap from thelead, they're in p2. raphael orlove: how didthey crawl back up? mike spinelli: they'vejust been fighting. they've been fightinglike mad. raphael orlove: weren't theydown in like sixth or something/ jf musial: gt is now the battlewe want to be paying attention to. as it usually is.
the thing, also, to notewith happy hour though. we consider it thefastest time on track, the most beautiful. it is also the time at whichthe team managers and the strategists are figuring outtheir pit strategy for the remainder of the race. so at this point, they'reworking their way back. ok, how many laps can we go? how many laps have we beenfiguring we can go on a tank?
how are our tires? and working their way backfrom the checkered flag. leo parente: this is wherei wish we had-- i've just been helpingdrink it. josh: i need some apple juice. i'm gonna get a cupof apple juice. raphael orlove: oh, my gosh. i love apple juice. leo parente: for thegt pro, this is--
mike spinelli: can you getgrampa some apple juice? leo parente: oh, theheck with it. mike spinelli: thankyou, very much. leo parente: they'rehaving a food network moment over there. male speaker: apple juice. mike spinelli: grampa needshis apple juice. leo parente: are thereany comments that we should talk about?
jf musial: yeah, plentyof comments. raphael orlove: whattime is it? male speaker: it's comingup on midnight. jf musial: midnighthere in new york. mike spinelli: well, coming upon midnight in 20 minutes. i mean, that's not exactlycoming up on midnight. raphael orlove: 22 minutes. mike spinelli: all right, socoming up on midnight. leo parente: i should justget my work done.
i've got so much to do. josh: midnight apple juice. cheers, brother. mike spinelli [scottish accent]:cheers. midnight apple juice. it's a tradition around here. leo parente: rebellion racingcan now get third place? what am i missing withthe third place audi? see, we are readingthe comments.
and apparently you're keepingus up to speed on this race. that's not true. leo parente: what are wetalking about guys? 224 laps, and 219 forthe rebellion. i guess with a dnf. but i wouldn't count on it. mike spinelli: 219? leo parente: rebellion is at 219laps, the third place audi is at 224 laps.
mike spinelli: wait, rebellionis at what? when did that happen? leo parente: well, rebellionhas been hovering fourth, fifth, and sixth for the entirerace, quite frankly. well, when did they pass-- i mean, i guess i've been awaya fair amount of time-- leo parente: the entirerace, quite frankly. leo parente: oh, actually,the last audi ultra is catching up.
remember it was the one ofthe first cars to stop. jf musial: or maybe not. so he's fighting his way back. leo parente: so he's fightinghis way back. mike spinelli: so we'll probablysee those two square off pretty soon. my argument is it's not therebellion that's gonna get a spot, it's the rebellion isgonna lose the spot before the end of the race.
mike spinelli: well, yeah. i mean, audi's average speedis already seven kilometers per hour faster. and it's probably beenthat for a while. jf musial: could we seea top four of audi? leo parente: yeah, we could. mike spinelli: so there's a goodrace in lmp1, but that's the great race that alexwas talking about. jf musial: beautiful light.
and now we're watching the feedat live.lemans-tv.com. in-car footage. alex roy: this is the bestrace i've ever done. jf musial: alex roy is on forza,as you can hear him in the background. leo parente: i said thesame thing just before i hit the wall. josh: jf, when you were in lemans last year, did you ride the ferris wheel?
mike spinelli: you didn't? why would you not rideon the ferris wheel? what's the lap time ofthe ferris wheel? how would i know? josh: leo, do you knowwhat that record is? leo parente: heck, no. jf musial: i remember this beingthe most appealing time to be at the track. i went up to the topof the grandstands.
it was beautiful. josh: it would've been niceat the top of the ferris wheel, i'm sure. jf musial: i'm sureit would've been. raphael orlove: oh, yeah. jf musial: they close the ferriswheel down after a certain point. raphael orlove: theydon't want people puking off the edge?
jf musial: oh, yeah. right now, it's a crapshow in there. there are drunks everywhere. raphael orlove: oh, really? jf musial: everywhere. josh: i know you guys beforewere talking about the similarities between, or ratherthe differences between this and the nurburgring,as far as-- jf musial: for nurburgringthe guys are drunk--
josh: party? they're drunk beforethe race starts. josh: is that just germansand french? jf musial: well, the germans-- well, no. the germans at the nurburgring,it's mecca. they travel there in massesa week, two weeks before. josh: but is this not thesame for the french? jf musial: to be honestwith you, no.
because it's more brits thatgo to le mans than anything else, and the danes. josh: says somethingabout the french. jf musial: maybe. josh: ah, the french. mike spinelli: ah, thefrench chardonnay. raphael orlove: who are thebig french drivers, jf musial: sarrazin. josh: dumas.
raphael orlove: weren'tthey all driving for-- mike spinelli: peugeot? raphael orlove: or, no. weren't they all drivingfor toyota this year? mike spinelli: well,sarrazin, was-- wait a minute. josh: peugeot did have almostall french drivers. which i actually thinkis kind of cool. leo parente: who's that?
peugeot? raphael orlove: i wasalso into that. josh: there's very fewteams that are so nationalistic, right? raphael orlove: yeah, it's thefrench and the americans. josh: well-- josh: [inaudible] theamericans, though. raphael orlove: we'vegot some-- mike spinelli: flying lizard.
raphael orlove: we've gotsome teams that are-- mike spinelli: flying lizardhas plenty of-- leo parente: american teamsare not nationalistic. far from it. josh: not at all. we've got tons of germanson the american teams. mike spinelli: well, there'salso the fact that they're driving porsches, [inaudible] flying lizard.
josh: well, ok. mike spinelli: no, i hear you. yeah, it's an americanteam, and yeah. sorry guys. josh: allan mcnish on speedbeing interviewed right now looking really peppy,actually. alex roy: hey, mattpastromney. matt pastromney, i'm aboutto come up on you. mike spinelli: ha.
is that alex? jf musial: yeah, that's-- mike spinelli: can you guys hearalex while he's playing? mike spinelli: mattpastromney, i'm right behind you. josh: yeah, can youguys hear alex? all his grunts and noisesthat he's making. mike spinelli: he was gruntingand saying things. and--
josh: he's going nutsover there. but i don't know if any micsare close enough to him. i think somebody's probablyhearing him. leo parente: it'd be greatif we're the only ones that can hear him. josh: no, the lav's not workingactually, if we had a lav on alex right now itwould be a bad idea. leo parente: why not? mike spinelli: that wouldbe a really bad idea.
leo parente: i'm actuallysurprised that your surprised at that. leo parente: i mean,they train hard. you're in the moment. and he's allan mcnish. have you ever seen him quiet? jf musial: no, that's true. mike spinelli [scottish accent]:no. leo parente: thank youfor the scottish--
mike spinelli [scottish accent]: never heard him quiet. leo parente: fort man-boobshath fallen, [inaudible]. mike spinelli [scottish accent]:fort man-boobs will live on. leo parente: i can't believethis live stream is gonna be remembered for fort man-boobs. thanks, mike. mike spinelli: no problem.
anytime. leo parente: take himoff the 2013 list-- mike spinelli: no, butwait a minute. but that's what happens whenthe race starts to get-- leo parente: i understand. a lull. mike spinelli: a littlebit of a lull. we got to keep ourselvesentertained. leo parente: i think if you werenot here doing that, we
would not have a great show. mike spinelli [scottish accent]:we would not have fort man-boobs. leo parente: you know, that'swhat braveheart was lacking. leo parente: that's what sentmel gibson over the edge. mike spinelli: toomany push-ups. leo parente: toomany push-ups? mike spinelli: [laughs]. oh, i thought you meant that themovie itself was missing
too many man-boobs. leo parente: it was missingfort man-boobs. mike spinelli: whoa. awkward moment hereon the coach. josh: i got a mic. man-boobs forever. leo parente: oh, my god. now we're in for it. josh: leo, haven't you beenwaiting for me all evening?
leo parente: i have. but not in that way. just to chat. raphael orlove: that'snot appropriate for-- mike spinelli: that isnot appropriate. leo parente: where werewe at a race together? mike spinelli: me and you? mike spinelli: sebring. leo parente: no, no.
no you weren't. mike spinelli: yes we were. two years ago. were we? two years ago? mike spinelli: yeah,of course. two years ago we wereat sebring. josh: we were at several racestogether, including-- leo parente: including?
josh: last year's 24hours of le mans. leo parente: oh, here? josh: at alex's house. leo parente: that's right. oh, yeah. josh: we been to sebringthis year. josh: we were at lagunathis year. leo parente: you came to thetest, as well, right? josh: the audi test?
yeah, i was there. so yeah. we're hopefully, don'tquote me on this-- jf wouldn't want meto say this-- leo parente: oh, i knowwhere you're going. josh: we are supposed to begoing to spa this year. josh: [inaudible]. leo parente: i said that undermy breath earlier. [inaudible] you're goingto a spa this year.
leo parente: that could be. that could be. josh: really? i meant to tell you. leo parente: the one with theneon glowing lights that just says "massage. spa." you're getting a seaweedrub minus the seaweed. josh: how about the onewhere the guys beat
you with the branches? mike spinelli: i've neverheard of that place. josh: i don't want togo to that place. leo parente: so were youa race fan before this? or what happened? josh: no, man. i don't know if you rememberthis, the first time i met you, actually, was at the newyork auto show, i guess three or four years ago.
josh: and that was the firstyear that i really started watching f1, wherei like wanted to just watch every race. and i was sitting, waiting forthe race to come on, and i don't know reallywhat did it-- actually, i do knowwhat did it. it was shakedown. when jf and you started doingshakedown [inaudible]. and i went up to you and i waslike, i'm an f1 fan now
because of you, leo. and that was the firsttime i met you. and that's really when i startedwatching racing. josh: and then i started hangingout with alex, who became the forza nightmare. leo parente: well,i was watching you running the porsche-- so much for that chicane. i was watching you run theporsche lmp, you're no slouch
behind the wheel. josh: oh, no. and on nurburgring-- josh: that's pretty muchall i drive in forza. i just drive that porsche onnurburgring and i love it. leo parente: i'm goodabout 10 miles in. and then i get lost. and then i start drivingby just reacting. and that's not good.
josh: honestly, with alex'sforza setups at his house, i've sat for two and three hour,not getting up at all, just driving nurburgringon that track. and it's unbelievablehow tiring it is. you start sweatingin the chair. and it's really nutty. but my driving experienceis pretty much sim only. my car is, i have a metrocard [inaudible]. leo parente: there you go.
you have-- mike spinelli: hey, leo. any insight on what thedrivers do when they're off, right? is there a quiet room where theycan actually get a little bit of sleep? are they just toowired to sleep? you want to get away from it. so there is, whetherit's a motor home
or just in the corner-- mike spinelli: motorhome, right. leo parente: there's that. get some food. get some energy-somethingintake, not red bulls. some type of rejuvenatingdrink. there's usually the teamproviding a masseuse for muscle relaxation andstaying limber. and if you can geta couple hours of
sleep, it's a good thing. some drivers can't do that,turn it on and off. others, i think isaw [inaudible] falling asleep in thecar before a race. josh: and there'sstories about-- leo parente: whatever you guysare laughing about, you'll tell me in a minute. i was listening to you. i was laughing at some of thecomments about fort man-boobs.
leo parente: but yeah. you try to kind ofget away from it. i've always imagined, andespecially someone like mcnish, you can't turnyour brain off. josh: we'll just seeing him ontv just now, he was wired. i can't imagine him takinga nap at this point up. he was totally energeticand i think he just got out of the car. but i've seen drivers get outof the car and look totally
haggard, like zombies. they're pale. their eyes are-- and their skin is kindof drooping. mike spinelli: that wasme when i did lemons. josh: oh yeah? haggard, pale, skin's droopy. it's terrible. just like now, actually.
raphael orlove: i wasjust reading earlier about the '91 race. when they took the driver out,they had to carry him out and he was hospitalized beforehe went to the podium. so sometimes these guys are-- josh: that's overexertion,yeah. raphael orlove: i mean,sometimes these guys are just like done. leo parente: well, the biggest[inaudible] to me,
honestly, is heat. and i know they wearthe cool suits. josh: dehydration, yeah. exactly. leo parente: i mean, everyonehas a story about losing weight. i can tell, it was interestingfor me to get in shape for racing season. but literally, midway throughthe season i was just dropping
pounds, even afteri was in shape. it just happens. but if you can get out of thecar and still look cool and crisp, then you know you'rein good condition. and never show your age guys. never show your age. mike spinelli: my sentimentsexactly. raphael orlove: i got to tellyou, webber before the race was insane.
he was doing huge jumpingjacks and-- leo parente: where was this? raphael orlove: thiswas in montreal. that guy is nutso fit. he's got muscles that i didn'tknow human beings had. josh: actually, drivers arereally totally fit. mike spinelli: well,he cycles like mad. i mean, webber cycles likehundreds and hundreds of miles leo parente: and it'sbeyond aerobic.
you have to have goodcore for the gs. shoulders, forearms to turn. and your legs. you have to havestrong thighs. josh: well, that's what i'mthinking about is the gs, is having to hold on for a two-hourstint or a four-hour stint, getting thrownaround like that. leo parente: well, when it'sright, you're plugged into the car and there's nota lot of movement.
but that doesn't mean you don'tfeel the gs and your stomach tightens. josh: for sure. leo parente: and for me, anyway,it was always feeling it in your thighs, yourupper thighs. because you're in that car, andwe used to have some foam that would kind of holdyour legs there. but you have to have good legmuscles so you can still be in control and on your toes.
mike spinelli: well, if youever notice when even just doing a track day, if youhaven't been on a track day for a while, right? i mean, the muscles that hurtthe next day, you know-- you don't realize when you're doingit, but just a dopey track day in whatevercar you've got, it hurts the next day. leo parente: i used to lovegetting out of the car, racing against [inaudible].
and they're all kind ofsweaty and haggard. and i'm like, guys, what'sthe problem here? josh: [inaudible]does triathlons. leo parente: oh, yeah. tony kanaan is a major-leaguetriathlon athlete. gavin, for corvette racing,does marathons. these guys have to work out. mike spinelli: these guysare serious athletes. no, there's no doubt.
leo parente: and it's movedfrom just being aerobic to having muscle and tone. and they're coordinated. i mean, the eye-handcoordination has to be there. i wouldn't fight these guys. yeah, and they're small. but they're pretty tough. raphael orlove: wiry. mike spinelli: small but wiry.
raphael orlove:[scottish accent] wiry. mike spinelli [scottish accent]:wiry. they're small but wiry. leo parente: what moviewas that from? mike spinelli: it's likepopeye, i think, right? leo parente: no, thereplacements, remember? the kicker. the field-goal kicker?
that was a keanu reevesmovie with gene hackman as the coach. the football strike. mike spinelli: is thatwhat that was called? leo parente: they find the barguy, who's the kicker. mike spinelli: anygiven thursday. enough of that joke. he's small but wiry. leo parente: kennypowerdrinks.
that's a commenter. mike spinelli: kennypowerdrinks, that's excellent. he does power drink,by the way. leo parente: you know, i'veeven taken the shot, and that's not fair. i have to believe that kennymay know how to party hard, but he's in shape. he's in condition. robert well, rosberg bikes upand down the hills in--
leo parente: oh, you meanleonardo dicaprio for-- mike spinelli: leonardodicaprio. for-- mike spinelli: he takes a nicebike ride up the hill. what's the matter,[inaudible]? raphael orlove: i just can'tbelieve how many fort man-boobs comments there are. leo parente: i think,you know what? josh: spinelli, you went fromman-boobs to fart man-boobs.
mike spinelli [scottish accent]: fort man-boobs. josh: we've actually,we have-- leo parente: it was the fort. josh: well, yeah i know,but it's become-- it's fart man-boobs. mike spinelli: if fort man-boobswere in scotland, it would sound sort of likefart man-boobs. leo parente: you know what, asgreat as the drive t-shirt,
you want to make a killing? josh: listen. i have to say. we at drive are very, veryproud of our demographic. we have an older demographic. we just ruined that. we just put that to sleep. leo parente: no, we just provedthat we found all the old juvenile delinquents.
immaturity makes you appearso much younger. mike spinelli: i agreewith that. that's how i live myentire existence. leo parente: it'son my resume. raphael orlove: immaturity. mike spinelli: happy 48thbirthday, to dindo capello, by the way. always a class guy. since the early days.
from [inaudible]. leo parente: no, i can'tleave everything. can you get me a coffee? mike spinelli: where'severybody going? josh: we have to closeout the hour. mike spinelli: oh,what happened? we got five minutes for-- i'll close out the hour. leo parente: are you sure?
how nice. mike spinelli [scottish accent]:so here we are at my couch. fourteen hours-- [scottish accent]: into the race. [inaudible] fucking fourteenhours into the race. leo parente: mr. man-boobs. leo parente: i want somepredictions now. mike spinelli: i'dlike to hear it.
i mean, i'd like tohear me say it. leo parente: not mine. i'd like to hear you predict. leo parente: in p1, thank you. mike spinelli: p1. leo parente: pick one. lotterer to repeat. mcnish to win hisfourth or third? mike spinelli: i cannotbet against mcnish.
i think mcnish is going to-- [british accent] he's going to put itright on the-- no, i had nothing. because i was lookingfor a colloquialism that i couldn't find. but i think betting againstmcnish with how wired-- i mean, he's got one morestint in him, right? leo parente: at least.
leo parente: and they'reboth on the same lap. mike spinelli: and they'reboth on the same lap. leo parente: thereis 1:23 gap. but i think that'sa little bit-- mike spinelli: he'sa lap down. that's even better. leo parente: he's a lap down? leo parente: on mine it doesn'tshow that yet, but ok. mike spinelli: that's even--
leo parente: just updated. mike spinelli: well,that's even better. if he's a lap down, he'sgoing to take it. that's my prediction. and paco grande, what'syour prediction on p1? mike spinelli: paco grande. raphael orlove: who'spaco grande? mike spinelli: that's you. leo parente: that's you.
raphael orlove: prost inthe rebellion lola. leo parente: i'm gonna stopasking you questions with answers like that. raphael orlove: definitelygonna happen. i anticipate hour number 23-- leo parente: all three audisare going to go away? it's gonna be the numberone, number two audi-- leo parente: do they train youpeople at jalopnik to just say sensational things?
yes we do. raphael orlove: they're gonnacrash into each other, spin out, and the third audi is gonnacrash into their crash. mike spinelli: intotheir crash. raphael orlove: at whichpoint, hold on, hold on, hold on. leo parente: at which point-- raphael orlove: no, no, no. leo parente: you'regoing to fly over
the edge of the couch. i'm going to make it happen. raphael orlove: no, you see,what's gonna happen is it's gonna be an impassablewreck, all the cars are gonna be stopped. except for the rebellion lola,which is gonna come up, catch air off of the turned aroundaudi, which is going to be facing the direct [inaudible] cross the finishline, victory.
mike spinelli: i hear it. leo parente: so by result ofthat answer, your favorite movie was speed racer? raphael orlove: didn't see it. mike spinelli: you're kidding. leo parente: that wouldhave been a fantastic movie for you. that, by the way,was an insult. mike spinelli: no, but i'mgonna go with that, too.
so wait a minute. let's wrap it up. gt, i'm really watching astonmartin very closely. leo parente: very closely. and when we come back, we'regoing to get a report from alex roy, p1 race car driver,his second stint against some very stout competition. [inaudible] we're going to breakright about, maybe now? alex roy: that was the bestsim racing i've ever done.
that was almost as fun asthe 24 hours of lemons. and let me tell you,it was awesome. guys, this was exactlythe kind of racing i want to see more of. i would do this every night ifi could get 15 guys that awesome to do it again. i came in, i think, oh, itsays third, but maybe [inaudible] fourth. and amazingly, the grid had 14lmp1 cars and what appeared to
be a 2,000-horsepower mercedese-class and a nascar car. and out on the grid, as soon asthe green light lit up, the mercedes began spinning as if acarousel had a mercedes logo on opposite ends justspinning around. then the nascar car wasvibrating so much it looked like it was going to take off. and then i waited for the damageto be done and then i made my way through the wreckageand had an excellent, excellent time of it.
really great gentlemen. probably better gentlemendrivers than we have on the real course today in gte am. leo parente: were yourlap times quicker than the first session? alex roy: my best was a 3:46. leo parente: so yes, it was. alex roy: so a littlebit better. and that was really,really, really--
i loved it. hey, this guy said i pattedmyself on the back. yeah, i did. because i'm not good at this. and i shouldn't have placedthat high, i'm not going to lie. but it was all aboutdamage management. and i would utterly absolutelylove to see the next race start in 10 minutes.
all the same guys, coupleof new guys, it was really awesome. and also, i said to leo that thechatter over the intercom, that you guys know probably morethan i do about racing, and it was really great tohear you guys talking. about the race, about what wewere doing, and about what's going on at le mans. leo parente: you didn't findthat distracting having all that talking while you'retrying to focus?
i find it really entertaining. because it's really fun. one guy said to me, i justbumped you, so i'll let you pass me. imagine if real driversdid that? i mean, that's reallygentlemanly. and it's really nice. and then he hit me for real,so then i passed him. but it was awesome.
it was really great. and i'm so sweaty. i'm such a mess. i can't wait to getback out there. leo parente: well, thankyou for that report. alex roy: but for the guy whowas making fun of me, i just came in lucky. i'm not good. leo parente: who's makingfun of you?
alex roy: sure juggles said,"you came in third. i was surprised i got intofifth gear with my car. it didn't want to turn." male speaker: i like that,leo was like, who's making fun of you? alex roy: checkeredflag podcast says, that was my mercedes. yes, yes, it was. leo parente: i want to sendhim a thank you card.
alex roy: and ghs media centersays he met me three years ago and i was cool. i think maybe i was drunk then. i'm going to drink some water. and get back in the seat. and we'll resume in aboutseven minutes, i think. if you have any rule requests,then i'm going to ask you in the chat room in acouple minutes. now i think i've gotabout six or seven
people who want to race. so after this race, i'm gonnarestart the room so we can get the people who haven't hada chance to race yet. but anybody who enjoyed thisand wants to race with me again later tonight, send meanother message saying you were in an early race, and we'llget back to you later. leo parente: great. have you landed the[inaudible]? i just wanted tomention that--
alex roy: this is calledbuilding loyalty and friendship. mike spinelli: if all we didtoday was alex met great people online and raced them,and i came up with farty mcman-boobs. i'm telling you, we cameup with some stuff that's gonna last. leo parente: so all that preparation i didmeant nothing?
alex roy: leo, you are maybe myfavorite race commentator, any network, any timein my life. i've learned more from watchingyou than anyone else. mike spinelli: you arethe foundation of this inebriated house. alex roy: now do you wantto touch my man-boobs? alex roy: [inaudible]? leo parente: all right. have a good third race.
mike spinelli: soit's us three? mike spinelli: i guess. i'm jumping up [inaudible]. leo parente: oh, my god. it's the italian-americanhour now. raphael orlove: i dolike the couch. leo parente: whatare you doing? are you holding your lav? mike spinelli: you know, ididn't want to drop it.
raphael orlove: hello,internets. male speaker: oh, brother. leo parente: what happened tohe was just going to be here for a couple hours? he just ended up staying here. leo parente: now we'vegot a homeless guy. it's like the newyork bus depot. josh: i like this guy. mike spinelli: he's all right.
raphael orlove: don'tencourage. don't encourage. josh: what do you guys thinkabout this guy over here? leo parente: we need comments. he knows his stuff. josh: he definitelyknows his stuff. leo parente: but then hefinishes it with this ridiculous platitudinalcommon opinion. mike spinelli: well,that's his speed.
leo parente: like,i like napalm. who cares? mike spinelli: i like napalm. no, by the way, i didnot say the f-word. i didn't. a commenter thoughti said the f-word. leo parente: my little verizonthing's so far behind. so i have no idea whatyou're talking about. [shouting]
raphael orlove: oh, my god. i still can't believethis crash. mike spinelli [scottish accent]:they're showing the accident again. raphael orlove: [inaudible]seriously gnarly. that leo parente: they're showingdavidson's crash. mike spinelli: anthonydavidson's crash with farty mcman-boobs over herein the ferrari.
no, i just want to say that isthe scariest crash in le mans i've seen-- well, i guess since last year. raphael orlove: sincelast year. mike spinelli: i thought thatwas going to be very profound. and then it stoppedbeing profound. raphael orlove: what all youviewers should do, is you should go out and you shouldlook up what those those bare chassis look it.
because it's nuts. but which chassis? i didn't hear what you said? raphael orlove: you shouldlook up what the carbon chassis look like on lmp1 carsjust to sort of see what sort of protection those guys do ordo not have in terms of carbon fiber around wherethey are sitting. and it's just crazy. leo parente: crazy good?
raphael orlove: yeah, no. it's strong. but it's insane to think aboutthem taking these crashes with so little space. and yet so much strongprotection of carbon fiber. mike spinelli: oh, boy. you know, these commentsare way, way behind. is this jf's laptop? leo parente: i think it is.
refresh? mike spinelli: i gotta refreshand i gotta get all the way up to the top. mike spinelli: so someone isasking me talk in that accent for the remaining nine hoursand i would, because that's how this starts. leo parente: you wantto be a hero? i just don't want to offendscottish people with my horrible scottish accent.
because i really do-- dario's on the phone. [scottish accent]: i love the scots. leo parente: dario'son the phone. he says, can we takeback our interview? [scottish accent]: i'll kill you. leo parente: you bastards. [scottish accent]: i will find you. and i will kill you.
leo parente: is itmy imagination? or this race, there've been alot of offs by a lot of cars? mike spinelli: i would love tosee, and maybe somebody should do it, a comparison ofoffs between this year and last year. leo parente: no offense, someonesays mic interference. what do we got that-- mike spinelli: that means me. he's talking aboutmike, m-i-k-e.
leo parente: and i'm gettingsome broadcast here. josh: you're hearingsomething? is it over there, or here? raphael orlove: just puton your tin-foil hat. you'll be fine. that's not the answer. mike spinelli [scottish accent]:what i have is a very specializedset of skills. i will hunt you down.
i will find you. leo parente: areyou gonna help? liam neeson. raphael orlove: i wish i couldremember some good lines from recent game of thronesepisodes. what was it? "a man keeps his word." mike spinelli: you knowwhat you need to do? put on a balaclavaand say those.
like it's chain mail. i think we have onearound somewhere. raphael orlove: i don't knowif that's gonna happen. mike spinelli: i thinkit should happen. raphael orlove: do wehave a balaclava? can i-- mike spinelli: i have one. it's in my bag. you want to put it on?
raphael orlove: where is it? mike spinelli: dude, put it onand recite game of thrones references. yeah, it's in the mainsection of my bag. leo parente: you've gota racing balaclava? mike spinelli: i've gota balaclava with me. mike spinelli: i was inmonticello on friday, so it's still in my bag. bring it over.
oh, that's right. raphael orlove: i'm gonna haveto look up game of thrones leo parente: yeah, i'ma little jealous of this by the way. so you were driving gtrsaround monticello? i went to the gtr experience. here it is. raphael orlove: i'mso happy to be putting on mike's sweaty--
mike spinelli: don't worryit's not that sweaty. it's all right. and in fact, i actually didn'teven wear that one. that one's clean, don'tworry about. raphael orlove: thisone smells funky. leo parente: i think you did. i can't [inaudible]. mike spinelli: raphael. leo parente: actually, youmetered everything.
mike spinelli: thatis fantastic. leo parente: yeah, this one. a little bit. so i just have thisuncomfortable feeling we're on some terrorist watch listright about now. mike spinelli: well now, yeah. raphael orlove: i'm havingway too much fun, this is definitely not allowed. so sford01 wants me to elaborateon my aston v12
vantage experience. leo parente: what was that? what i said in the last roadtestament we did, the best fast cars that drive slow, thatthe aston v12 makes you feel like a superhero or superspy, like you could just-- leo parente: archer? you feel archer? mike spinelli: you feellike archer, except not as drunk, maybe.
and not as much of a dick. like, sort of. no, you feel like what archerwould feel like if he wasn't such a dick. leo parente: so why? i was kind of buying in. the v12 vantage may not bethe quickest of all cars. but it's got 12. it's got aston martin.
[scottish accent]: it's got 12. leo parente: it's gotaston martin. mike spinelli: it'sgot aston martin. [scottish accent] it's got 12 cylinders. leo parente: howis it not cool? mike spinelli: it's the mostfreaking cool thing. it just gives you this feeling,it's like putting on a great suit.
and i know that if you've neverput on a great suit in your life-- and i actually don't own a greatsuit, i've had a great suit on, i've rented one,and it was great. it was great. leo parente: no, the deltawingis not still running. it dnfed after that accident,that contact from the toyota. leo parente: so go ahead. mike spinelli: anyway, sodriving around in an aston
martin v12 makes you feel likeyou're just looking for trouble that you can right. you're looking forwrongs to right. you just drive around[scottish accent] waiting for someone todo something wrong. so i could kill them. it's like you're just liamneeson all day long. [revving noise] leo parente: how didthis just come up?
something asked this? mike spinelli: someone asked. i guess somebody whowatched the show. mike spinelli: whatis in there? raphael orlove: not fireproof. [scottish accent]: not fireproof. raphael orlove: not tobe used in racing. raphael orlove: goodthing you have it. mike spinelli: that'swhy i have it.
that's why i didn't wear thatone, i wore the fireproof one. raphael orlove: no,that was wise. mike spinelli: that'swhy it's clean. that sounds way lessstrange in german. leo parente: "porsche equalsathletic." so all i remember in college, i went to bostoncollege, i remember some kid had a porsche. and he would troll around campusin like first gear. there's always that dick.
leo parente: 3,000 rpm,four miles an hour, just to be cool? was that cool? to do things like that? mike spinelli: you know what? that's one of those thingsthat if you-- for some reason, some peoplehave a disconnect between what's cool and whatthey think is cool. so it's like in 1988 if you cuedup your cassette deck to
"you give love a bad name"before rolling up to the club, yeah. you are a dick, but you thinkthat you're cool. male speaker: you say thatfrom experience? by the way, yeah. if you knew that i didthat, i apologize for being such a dick. no, it's just oneof those things. and really and honestly, thev12 vantage, it's about the
sound and it's aboutthe feeling of it. but ultimately, you're reallynot doing anything. you're kind of a poser in it. and while that's fun fora while, you don't want to live with it. that's all i'm gonna say. leo parente: so whatbecame the-- before we drop this topic-- ultimate fast car slow ofyour discussion with jf?
mike spinelli: for me, it was100% porsche 911 gt3. mike spinelli: and that'sbecause, even driving it slow it feels like it doeswhen it's fast. the steering is great. the sound is great. it shifts great. it feels good. joshua tree, do you havea contribution to this? i'm just going to pickany name i want.
mike spinelli: he's justmaking up stuff now. leo parente: i'm justmaking up names. mike spinelli: danger zone. leo parente: fast car slow? raphael orlove: fast car slow? i don't drive fast cars. leo parente: oh, please. raphael orlove: slow car fast,definitely was with you on the first gen honda accord.
awesome car. leo parente: so here'sthe point, we were talking about one topic. i wasn't asking you tochange the topic. give me a fast car slow. i've never driven one. only two fast cars i've everdriven was an x6m through manhattan and the suv. and an xkr.
leo parente: oh, the bmw? and an xkr around jersey,which was actually really nice. so i'll go with that. raphael orlove: it wasenormously smooth, just felt like every car should be. raphael orlove: would your listchange if i asked you about a fast car that youhaven't driven but would want to drive slow you think wouldbe a good experience?
you know what car i'd reallylike to drive slow? leo parente: i just askedyou, so please tell me. raphael orlove: whatdo they call them? carrera gt. leo parente: oh, the-- raphael orlove: because i hearthey're absurdly difficult. and i want to-- mike spinelli: they're not. what i've heard is--
raphael orlove: i hearthe clutch is gnarly. mike spinelli: the clutch isnot as bad as it-- no. here's what happened. they revised it. raphael orlove: well, i don'twant to drive the revised one. i want to drive theunrevised one. mike spinelli: no, the unrevisedone, it's just a really light flywheel. so it's really about--
raphael orlove: so thatsounds wonderful. leo parente: i swear to godeveryone over at jalopnik is middle-named richard. and you know where i'mgoing with this. everybody's a dick? leo parente: i didn't-- do you have to [inaudible]every time? my favorite car, fastcar to drive slow? ford cobra.
no, ford cobra mustang, shelbycobra, i should say. raphael orlove: they marketthem as ford cobras. leo parente: i havenever driven one. but i understand they area bear to run quick. i mean, they reallyare a handful. leo parente: but trollingaround in one of those has to be cool. mike spinelli: we getto ask matt farah. because he's the only onei know who's driven on.
leo parente: matt farah hasnot driven a genuine car-- mike spinelli: well,not [laughter] he drove a 7,000-horsepowercobra. and he drove a ferrari-- raphael orlove: i willsay, i did once see a replica daytona cobra. mike spinelli: thoseare great. the street performance ones? raphael orlove: i don't evenknow if it was a street
performance one. because this must have beenlike 2000 or something. leo parente: replicasbother me. even the number extension-- mike spinelli: oh, yeah. leo parente: i don't knowwhy i'm like that. but you liked the car? raphael orlove: it looked-- i saw it for half a second ina parking lot in downtown
sacramento. i just saw oval, halfwhite, half blue. no idea what it was. took me years to figureout what it is. because no one evertalks about them. and you know, i wasn'ton the internet. leo parente: if this sentencedoesn't end the car's gonna appreciate another $10,000. your point is, yeah?
raphael orlove: itlooked awesome. and i want to drive it. mike spinelli: so by the way,i just want to end, sford01 who asked me about that said, isit something you'd want to drive daily? that meaning the vantage v12. and is the power adequate? yeah, the power's adequate. leo parente: the power'sadequate.
mike spinelli: adequate. it sounds phenomenal. but i don't think i could pulloff driving it daily. i don't know if i couldactually pull off driving a v12. leo parente: so is jfmusial around here? mike spinelli: i don'tknow where he went. leo parente: so herecomes my question. leo parente: andreally i'm just
channeling some of our viewers. where is chris harris? mike spinelli: chris wasreally busy today. so unfortunately-- leo parente: is he on a shoot? mike spinelli: he'son a shoot. he's on a photo shoot. and right now it's like sixhours from [inaudible]. so it's like dawn.
so he's maybe just waking up. so maybe we'll catchhim later. leo parente: and whereis matt farah. well matt farah was probablyout partying-- mike spinelli: i don't whathappened to farah. i thought farah was supposedto call in. sorry about the chrisharris thing. i think i was under the delusionhe was going to be available too.
mike spinelli: i was, too. he probably got heldup at the shoot. and hopefully when he wakes upthis morning, he'll skype in. leo parente: i needto ask alex roy. so the question from his lastroad testament, he being mike spinelli, what fast carwould you enjoy driving slow around town? where's he going? mike spinelli: oh, alex.
here he is. alex roy: what fast car wouldi enjoy driving slow? alex roy: well, i have theanswer to to that. because i just drove it. leo parente: this is amazing. i ask a question, and then theyproudly tell me they know the answer. alex roy: a few months ago, iwas hanging out with andrew comrie-picard.
leo parente: the canadianrally guy? alex roy: canadian rally guy. and good guy. and i don't say that for anyreason other than when i was at the baja 1000 last year,he was as well. and he was in a top-classtruck. and i wasn't. and when he came into thepit for his driver swap and he got out.
instead of getting in his vanand sleeping, he waited and stayed awake for me to arriveat the pit and see how i was and give me some pointers. and he was just a reallyhelpful, nice guy. so he owns a porsche 930. and yeah, which is liketrack-prepped and barely street legal. and i gave him the keysto my citroen sm. and he gave me thekeys to that 930.
which i was so terrified ofdriving, because my old buddy dave mirra had one which hecracked up with summer tires on an icy road. raphael orlove: it was first-genporsche turbo alex roy: four speed turbo andcrazy long gears, just-- leo parente: were the turbosreally an on-off switch? alex roy: and i never got outof second gear on the pch. and that was just-- leo parente: so thatwas the car?
alex roy: for me. i mean, i've drivena lot of cars. but that was something really,really special. leo parente: what colorwas andrew's 930? alex roy: i can't remember. leo parente: you can't rememberwhat color it was? but i could barelyget into it. because he had the racingseats up so tight. but you know, i ownan '87 911.
and that, i wouldn't say it's afast car, it's a quick car-- it weighs 2,200 pounds,got 250 horsepower. air cooled, 3.2 liters. and that car, loafing along,is just a wild blast. because the power-to-weightratio is really great. and that feels faster at anyspeed than modern 911s that i've driven. and i prefer those cars, infact, and i completely agree with the concept of that roadtestament episode you did.
because it makes you realize howwonderful driving can be. cars don't need a gazillionhorsepower. and chris harris has shown usyou don't need big tires. mike spinelli: and thatwas the point. right, exactly. by the way, i just wanted,again, sford01 wanted me to clarify when i said icouldn't pull off driving a vantage v12. yeah, it's me.
like, i don't think i couldbe that guy pulling up somewhere-- leo parente: sunglasses. if you had sunglasses. mike spinelli: you gottahave sunglasses. well, yeah, it's asunglasses thing. i would not feel comfortablepulling up somewhere in a vantage v12. it's too much responsibilityas a personality.
alex roy: i have, actually,a comment and a question for you guys. when i was in ags f1 school acouple years ago, and that's the fastest car iever drove slow. but the most fascinatingthing about it, i would not say it was fun. i'd say it was terrifying. because the envelope ofperformance was so beyond-beyond.
you know, if you hit thegas, the car like just ran away from you. if you let go, it just hunkereddown and dropped. and it was really amazing to seethe aero do all the work, and the physics do all the workso far beyond my ability to anticipate whatthe car would do. but you should do a roadtestament where you ask this question. what slow cars are reallyfun to drive fast.
mike spinelli: well, that wasthe one we did before that. alex roy: i didn'tsee that one. mike spinelli: oh. alex roy: what wasthe verdict? mike spinelli: theverdict was-- oh, man. you know what the coolthing about that was? there were so many that peoplelisted in the comments. it was just gigantic.
there are so many cars that youcan have fun with that are fun to drive even ifyou don't have 500 horsepower to play with. alex roy: well, i have anaddition to that list. and i think you knowwhat it is. the citroen sm. and i'm gonna tell you why. raphael orlove: becauseyou own it. because it is the definition ofa car intended to go fast
that by both design,marketing, and politics does not. 5,000 pounds, 170 horsepower,and-- leo parente: it's5,000 pounds? alex roy: maybe 4,600 pounds. leo parente: are you smugglingcocaine in that thing? alex roy: everything [inaudible]interior is made of steel with leather overlay. the great thing about that caris that it literally handles
like a gondola. mike spinelli: is there anitalian man on the roof? alex roy: the steering wheelis like a gondola. leo parente: i have no ideawhether that was a compliment. it does feel like you'resailing the high seas. leo parente: so you'rejust kind of floating through things? leo parente: howdo you turn it? use the oar?
alex roy: very gently. 1.1 turns lock-to-lockat the lowest ratio. leo parente: in that hydrosuspension, does the car pitch and roll? can you stiffen it up, likethe cadillac [inaudible]-- alex roy: well, an interestingthing about that design was, have you ever read anythingby ak setright? leo parente: i think so. alex roy: the greatintellectual.
he's the-- leo parente: did you say jk? alex roy: thomas pynchon ofautomotive journalism, wrote a book called drive on, which ilearned about from jalopnik, which is the most fascinatingbook i've ever read about cars. raphael orlove: it's areally great book. alex roy: and it's a social,cultural history of cars. and in that book he talked aboutcitroen ds and some of
their early designs and thehydro-pneumatic system. and explained something that ididn't know about citroen, which is a tragedy,they purchased maserati in '69 or '70. alex roy: and their hope wasto compete with porsche. and the sm was intended tocompete with the 911. and the idea was thatthey would put a big engine in the car. because the hoped for,four-liter, v8 maserati
engine, the suspensionstiffness, the steering, and the handling and the braking,it's all hydro-pneumatic. it was intended to be made intoan engine of great power, which would deliver pressureinto the suspension on braking, which would bevery interesting. and the engine nevermaterialized. and instead it wasunderpowered. therefore making the handling entertaining, the braking dreamlike.
mike spinelli: so there's justnot enough vacuum pressure? is that really the issue? alex roy: if i throttle, thesystem generates more pressure and stiffens up the suspension,in theory. but with not enough-- mike spinelli: [inaudible]. alex, i've got to ask you aquestion about my favorite car in the world of all time ever,which is the maserati khamsin. alex roy: that's a cool car.
raphael orlove: it wasthe maserati khamsin. so the relationshipwent both ways. so when maserati replaced theghibli, the very beautiful front-engine-- leo parente: drive. raphael orlove: big v8engine car they had. alex roy: known asthe gravedigger. raphael orlove: they replaced itwith a car that had citroen hydro-pneumatics in it.
so the clutch ishydro-pneumatic. i guess the brakes were. i don't think thesuspension was. and i think the steering was. alex roy: i've neverdriven one. i would murder peopleto drive one. alex roy: i saw one at thegreenwich concourse for sale a couple years ago. it is a beautiful car.
leo parente: hey, did anyonego to the greenwich concourse this year? josh: i did. raphael orlove: i was-- leo parente: how was it? raphael orlove: youwere there? josh: it was cool. leo parente: whatmade it cool? raphael orlove: iwas also there.
leo parente: what car caughtyour attention? and then we're going to get backto the race in a second. alex roy: and by the way, i'mgoing to get back to the racing in [inaudible]. josh: [inaudible] porsche. leo parente: porsche. raphael orlove: a porsche? raphael orlove: therewas a porsche there.
there was a quite controversialbugatti 57. male speaker: wait, pyu-geotand byu-gatti? that's how you roll? raphael orlove: tosay bugatti? male speaker: i thoughtyou said byu-gatti. raphael orlove: bugatti? mike spinelli: he did. male speaker: oh, byu-gatti. raphael orlove: isn'tthat how you say it?
mike spinelli: that's howthe brits say it. leo, there's a question forus from a commenter. leo parente: cool, yeah. mike spinelli: should there bean all-wheel drive class inside gt in le mans. for obviously, what? porsche turbo andgtr of course. leo parente: yeah,it reeks of gtr. leo parente: youknow, why not?
the challenge would be tobalance the performance of all-wheel drive withsomething else. and if they were asking shouldthere be an all-wheel drive only class, i'm not sure thereare enough all-wheel drives to fill that out. was that the question? that is the question. ok, what cars wouldbe in that class? mike spinelli: obviously,porsche turbo.
leo parente: if they chose. mike spinelli: if they chose. gtr. leo parente: something audi. mike spinelli: something audi. ok, what? i mean, you could do the r8. leo parente: r4? oh, you could do the r8.
mike spinelli: the r8-- leo parente: as a race car. mike spinelli: the realr8 as a race car. raphael orlove: what are wetalking about, four-wheel drive cars that are running? mike spinelli: all-wheeldrive-- leo parente: all-wheeldrive race cars. mike spinelli: race cars to runin a fictitious gt class for all-wheel drive cars.
i mean, those are theobvious ones. probably evo. leo parente: yeah, withoutworrying about the logistics and [inaudible]. mike spinelli: i mean,subaru, evo. leo parente: i would say yes. mike spinelli: yeah? leo parente: if you'regonna build stuff, you can race them.
so let's find a wayto race them. because, as someone saidmuch, much earlier-- mike spinelli: i like thatattitude, by the way. if you're going to build a car,find a way to race it. even though, we love rally, butit would be kind of cool to have a gt class withsubarus and evos and-- leo parente: i remember a toyotaexecutive, japanese executive, in a meeting as wewere discussing marketing. and the discussion was where tospend money, on motor sport
or on some other marketing. and he said, we build cars,so we should race cars. lambo, by the way. a few people pointed it out. just wanted to throwthat out there. yes? leo parente: i thinkit would be cool. all-wheel drive? let's go for it.
so hopefully i answeredyour question. mike spinelli: thatwould be cool. would it feel redundant watchinga le mans or an alms if you were watching a gt classwith two-wheel drive and four-wheel drive. would it feel like it has alittle too many cars, get a little crowded. good, i like that. leo parente: i think thechallenge would be either
balance the carsin one class-- because i remember when the audiquattros ran in what used to be gto and then gtu, andeven trans am before that. leo parente: and theyjust ran away. i mean, they had such adistinct advantage. and if you balance the car, doesthat take away some of the gravitas of-- leo parente: coolness ofbeing all-wheel drive. if you're running two separateclasses, ok.
so i'm dismissing all thatlogistical reality and just saying, if you can build it andyou want to race it, you should be able to do it. mike spinelli: yeah, i agree. leo parente: because theauthenticity of the gtr race car in gt3 being a v8 witha rear-driver only, that's not a gtr. mike spinelli: you're right. no, see, that's the thing.
earlier i had mentioned thatwe should see gtrs in gt. leo parente: i'm justcribbing your notes. and i agree. i think if you see a two-wheeldrive gtr, it's not a gtr. leo parente: that being said? leo parente: in the '90s-- and then i'll let you go-- toyota with sard ranat le mans an mr2. leo parente: however, it was av8, twin-turbo, longitudinally
mounted engine. leo parente: it had very littleexcept for the initial tub unibody to be with an mr2. great car, but itwasn't an mr2. leo parente: youwere gonna say? raphael orlove: itotally forgot about that car existing. leo parente: isn'tthat awesome? raphael orlove: i'm superexcited about that.
leo parente: go googlethat one up. it was a great shape. raphael orlove: by the way,some of the best gtrs ever made were two-wheel drive. just fyi. you know, before they wentto four-wheel drive. mike spinelli: i mean,that's true. raphael orlove: theywere awesome. mike spinelli: formany years, yeah.
well, they were awesomelooking. raphael orlove: i've got to tellyou, my absolute favorite gtr is the r31. i think that was two-wheeldrive. leo parente: you guysand these numbers. between bmws and nissani can never keep up. raphael orlove: but no, thekenmeri skylines and the hakosuka skylines, thefirst and second gen, were just amazing.
mike spinelli: well, thehakosuka's such a cool-looking car. i mean, honestly, the-- raphael orlove: anybody whohasn't, there's a depth of speed video not that long agoof a guy driving around his first-gen skyline on sometrack in the southwest. leo parente: and iagree with that. i agree with that. but that was the car, it wasa two-wheel drive, big
horsepower car. if their current generationis all-wheel drive, v6, twin-turbo-- leo parente: then that should bethe basis of the race car. mike spinelli: oh, by the way, acommenter that scrolled by-- leo parente: and i can't evenbegin to tell you what a super gt gtr means to me, becauseit's just-- well, that's true, too. but don't forget, we've gota new nsx coming up.
and that'll be all-wheeldrive. you're absolutely [inaudible]. raphael orlove: that's right. mike spinelli: so there'senough that maybe we're talking about a new class,just to keep it relevant. leo parente: well, and honestly,the way they dealt with all-wheel drive-- mike spinelli: bentleycontinental, another one. the supersports.
leo parente: is thatall-wheel drive? i mean, granted, it's85 million pounds. leo parente: i wonder if therumor is true that bentley is gonna come back to le mans. and i wonder, if it istrue, which class? prototype, for the brand,or some type of gt? mike spinelli: i would sayprototype for the brand. mike spinelli: that'smy guess. aston martin, prototype.
you know what i mean? bentley, prototype. i don't think you'llsee gt bentley. i wish you would. i think that would lookgreat on the-- leo parente: i'd rathersee the gt bentley. mike spinelli: i would too. i would too. i think that would bea really good look.
maybe they'll race thev8, maybe that's part of the v8 thing. maybe they're going to go togt, homologate the new v8. leo parente: is the v8 the samev8 that's in things like the aston martin? leo parente: or am i confusingbrands now? mike spinelli: you'reconfusing brands. leo parente: they'veall broken up. bentley is a bmw.
mike spinelli: no, rollsroyce is a bmw. leo parente: rollsroyce is a bmw. bentley's a volkswagen. mike spinelli: bentley'sa volkswagen. leo parente: and astonmartin is who? mike spinelli: astonmartin is-- raphael orlove: they're doingtheir own thing now. leo parente: pro drive. raphael orlove: pro driveended a while ago.
they're owned by some-- mike spinelli: it's a kuwaitiwealth fund, and david richards from pro drive. leo parente: for aston martin? mike spinelli: foraston martin. and i guess it's still ulrichbez who's the ceo. wow, i'm starting tolose the voice. leo parente: andjaguar is tata. mike spinelli: jaguar's tata.
leo parente: ta-ta. mike spinelli: ta-ta. yeah, ok. so did milwaukee for indycaralready finish? that was today? saturday? saturday alreadywent by, right? we've been here all day. leo parente: milwaukeewas today?
god, i hope there were morepeople in the stands. here's a whole 'notherdiscussion. do we like the lookof that car? mike spinelli: which one? oh, there you go. leo parente: indycar's? raphael orlove: it's hideousand everyone knows it. mike spinelli: i don'tlike the look of it. i think it's--
leo parente: i hate to say it,it's starting to grow on me. mike spinelli: startingto grow on you, yeah? leo parente: and theracing's been good. raphael orlove: the racing'sbeen good. back to our race. do we have anything now goingon here that's any different as we start to wind down? raphael orlove: so we've got thenumber one audi is still in the lead.
on the same lap is the numbertwo with capello and kristensen. then it's an r18 ultra. but five laps down from the nextone, seven laps down from the leader is stillthe lola toyota. leo parente: you are stillhoping to suck that car in? mike spinelli: you thinkrebellion has any chance? leo parente: to do what? mike spinelli: i think,mathematically, they don't at
this moment. leo parente: and by the way, thefourth ultra is only two laps back from the rebellion. leo parente: and it's turninglaps six seconds, seven seconds quicker thanthe rebellion. raphael orlove: theseare all true. raphael orlove: and ithas another pit stop. mike spinelli: that'sall right. raphael orlove: you know,maybe it'll blow up.
maybe it'll get shotby lightning bolts. leo parente: you have a careeron fox tv with that attitude. raphael orlove: butwhat if it works? leo parente: how about gtepro, where are we at? raphael orlove: gte pro, theother one that we care about. so with 209 laps is theaf corse 458, that's the number 51 car. then there's the number 59 car,the luxury racing ferrari 458 at 208 laps.
and on the same lap isthe aston martin racing 97 aston martin. leo parente: and you've madethis comment before. and the shocking part of thisis, the lead ferrari has made 13 pit stops. p2 has made 14 pit stops. raphael orlove: astonhas made 17. leo parente: and they're on thesame lap as the p2 car? leo parente: what is going on?
raphael orlove: thereis some weird-- leo parente: commenters,help me understand. raphael orlove: there is someweird strategy stuff going on that we have been missing,i can only assume. leo parente: and the lap times,i mean the best lap times, are within a secondof each other. so it's not the aston seems tobe kicking butt on the track. raphael orlove: well, i don'tknow if, at this moment in time, it's the aston which isdoing crazy speed and making
up for all these pits stops,or if it's the ferraris who are managing their tires so muchbetter, or managing their stops so much betterthat they're running with fewer stops. i don't know who hasthe advantage. leo parente: three extra,four extra pit stops? i think aston martin tookadvantage of that yellow flag, remember full course yellow? and they found themselvesin an ok position.
raphael orlove: and a car thatcan keep up and not have to pit as often, is definitelygoing to be the happier car. leo parente: well,we shall see. raphael orlove: goingback to lmp2. it's still the starworks number44 honda, followed by, again, a brace oforeca nissans. and down in gte am, it's stillthe corvette, porsche, ferrari, porsche. leo parente: is that true?
2013 is the final year of thegtr in it's current iteration? mike spinelli: they wouldn'tcomment when i talked to them. leo parente: oh, that's right. so you did an interview. is this going to be a-- mike spinelli: jf actuallyinterviewed-- leo parente: is this a drivenor a road testament? mike spinelli: he'sgonna do a driven. so what'd you thinkof the gtr?
mike spinelli: well, for 2013they've upped the power. they've been upping the powerin increment, right? leo parente: how arethey doing that? mike spinelli: it's software,i believe. a little intake maneuvering. but i think ultimately they'relooking at what that engine can take. and it's at 540 orsomething now. leo parente: can you feel theupgrades from year to year?
it just feels sharper. so we started out drivingthe '12s. leo parente: oh, theydid do that? leo parente: [inaudible]? leo parente: and? mike spinelli: and first of all,we were at monticello. and i have always liked thegtr somewhat, just because it's got so much grip. but i've always been a littletentative with it.
this time i was more comfortablewith the track, more comfortable with the car,started out with the '12s. got a pretty good pacegoing on the track. got comfortable withthe track. and then they putus in the '13s. and you can really, reallyfeel the sharpness of the extra horsepower andextra torque. so using all of that grip, andit's got an amazing amount of grip but it's still heavy, soyou got to be really, really,
really judicious aboutwhere you're braking. you've got to nail yourbraking zones. you can't carry all thatspeed into a corner. because it will push. but if you get the speed right,it feels so good. you're in race mode,and the diffs just start working together. if you get that speed right, youcan carry a lot of speed in the corner, get tothe next corner.
i mean, it's a fantastic car. i like it. you know, people accuseit of being clinical. it's not as much clinical as itis a tool for going really, really fast. it's not something you're goingto slide around the track on and just kind of oppoyour way through it. but it is amazing. it's such an amazinglycapable car.
leo parente: did itfeel more alive? there's a little bitmore sparkle. and i can't really discount thepart of where it's just me getting better at the gtr. because it's been out since2008, i've been driving it here and there. and when you don't own one,right, you only get to drive it when you get to drive it. so i think part of it is justi'm starting to get it.
i'm starting to get the gtr. leo parente: did youhave any feeling-- and there goes the astonmartin's shot. leo parente: sorryto interrupt. raphael orlove: theyhad just turned fastest lap, by the way. mike spinelli: oh, my. oh, that's a shame. leo parente: done.
mike spinelli: and that'shard hit, sideways. raphael orlove: yeah,that car's done. leo parente: in thekitty litter. mike spinelli: oh, my god. so you applaud themfor going for it. and you said they just turnedtheir fastest lap, or the fastest lap? raphael orlove: fastestlap of gte pro. mike spinelli: what'sthe time on it?
raphael orlove: 3:59.2 orsomething like that. raphael orlove: 3:56. mike spinelli: wait a minute, ihave here that they were in second in gt. did they pass makowiecki? raphael orlove: i thought theywere in second before? mike spinelli: no, theywere in third the last time i checked. raphael orlove: it'sonly me who was
reading the results anyway. leo parente: and no, they wenta ton faster, 3:56.2. he was pushing just alittle bit too hard. raphael orlove: yeah, that'swhat i meant to say. leo parente: which beat thebest lap, that was a corvette, at 3:56.8. mike spinelli: that's areal serious shame. raphael orlove: all of ourfavorite cars are getting-- leo parente: that'snot a good deal.
raphael orlove: should we startliking cars that we really don't like? oh, man, those audisare awesome. leo parente: you realize we justhave created a ferrari one, two, three. oh, they're gonna be happyabout that in marinello. leo parente: and corvetteis now back in fourth. mike spinelli: corvettedoesn't have the pace. leo parente: three laps back.
mike spinelli: and they don'thave the pace to bring it up. it doesn't look like it. leo parente: i mean, here'sa 3:56.6 for the corvette. so to your point, i'm notsure there's enough of a differential for them to make upthat, without problems from the ferraris. but that doesn't meanthe corvette can't end up on the podium. however, at this juncture,the ferraris
deserve to win this race. mike spinelli: they do. there's no doubt. there really is no doubt. because they've hadtheir problems. they've recovered. they've done extremely well. leo parente: and thisis why i'm the most boring race car viewer.
at some point in time, the raceturns to a point where you just say, ok, the upsetwould be cool, but these guys deserve to win the race. leo parente: and i would arguethat obviously, audi e-tron quattro is probablygonna win it. but deserves to win it. but i would say that it has notbeen conclusive whether it should be a lotterer repeat ora mcnish-kristensen win. leo parente: in p2 i'm startingto get the feeling
that the starworks team mayget my vote of they deserve to win this. because they've kind of sortedthrough all this mess and have been most consistentlyin p1 for a good part of these later hours. in pro am? porsche has been fighting. but if this corvette thingholds true, that starts to get that vote.
and i would have voted for agreat finish by aston martin. but sometimes you cantry too hard. and they do have like what? five? how many hours left? how many hours leftdo they have? so nine? eight hours left. i mean, now wouldn't havebeen the time--
i guess now would bethe time to take second and hang in there. leo parente: now, they've pushthe car out of the tire wall and the kitty litterand it's making its way back to pit lane. mike spinelli: well, maybethey can do it. leo parente: so it was lessworse than we thought. but i think it's kindof thrown away a chance for the win.
mike spinelli: what'sthe weather like? did it start to rain? is it raining? it's not raining at all. no, it's fine. leo parente: accordingto the-- 10 degree celsius. humidity, they say 93%. we could have rain.
leo parente: but sun. they're showing a lot of sun. so i'm not sure. raphael orlove: where are yougetting your weather reports? leo parente: from the livetiming and scoring. raphael orlove: where is that? leo parente: lemans-tv.com. raphael orlove: oh,there it is. i see where it is.
interesting. do you have time to entertain not-totally-track-related question? leo parente: depends. what do you got? raphael orlove: well, i'mwondering why i'm getting so little of a sense that the hondacar is actually a honda. i'm wondering why. leo parente: because it'snot branded a honda.
it really is hpd. honda performance development. raphael orlove: so explain to mewhat that is and why i have not seen 1,000 honda ads oflike, we're le mans and we're going to win. leo parente: somewhere alongthe line, out of respect to honda, the honda racingdevelopment department became a cost center. and their job is to make moneywith selling racing
performance. and for whatever reason, hondahas not really overtly branded these engines or marketedit as a honda. raphael orlove: because theydid get a few moments when acura came to alms forthe first time. leo parente: that wasa few years ago. raphael orlove: therewas some fanfare. leo parente: and actually, forwhatever reason, they felt like they were getting theirreturn on investment and
walked away from it. but didn't want to close hpd. so they said to hpd, you cancontinue and you can put those motors and your chassis workwith worth engineering out into the marketplace. but we're not gonna marketit as an acura anymore. and we're not sure we're gonnamarket it as a honda. but you can promote hpd. now there are a couple of hondaracing decals out there.
and i kind of follow the countrylineage of which teams are running those. mike spinelli: by the way,i just want to break in. i saw that aston crash again. i don't think it was as hardas it looked at first. and now they're in the pitsand it looks like they're getting the car together. so nine hours they're going tohave to try to claw their way back up through the field.
they don't have along way to go. but they do need to-- raphael orlove: theycould finish. mike spinelli: well,they'll finish. in order to get to podium, ithink they're podium chances are pretty much shot. leo parente: i hear whatyou're saying. i don't disagree. depends on how many lapsthey give up right now.
mike spinelli: that'sthe thing. and you know what? we can't rule out the ferrarisbreaking, at this point. oh, wait. they rolled into the garage. it doesn't look too bad. raphael orlove: well,you never know. leo parente: now they'rejust getting junk out of the radiator.
look at that, thekitty litter. raphael orlove: dude, they areactually just frantically scooping away at parts. mike spinelli: whatare they doing? it's like they'rescooping things. raphael orlove: i'm amazed thatthe cars can get as high tech as they want and peoplewill still be beating them with hammers. there were still always be alow-tech element in just
wrenching on these cars. honda, to your question, hondain europe seems be promoting their world touring car. or british touring car? is that [inaudible]? raphael orlove: they were bigin gtcc, but i wish i knew what they in-- leo parente: and i think theyare going to bring a world touring car back.
obviously, indycarhere in america. raphael orlove: they've stillbeen running the-- leo parente: japan super gt. raphael orlove: the hsv10,or whatever it is. leo parente: in japansuper gt, yeah. raphael orlove: whichis an awesome car. but isn't really anything. leo parente: so for whateverreason, they really haven't gone honda branded.
raphael orlove: which seemsinsane to me, because the cars are fast. leo parente: i don'twant to sound all marketing, business 101. i think it comes downto investing their marketing money. and they've chosen not topromote honda with racing right now that way. raphael orlove: even though theyknow they have a winning
team with their engines, whomight conceivably be happy to run their. leo parente: and maybe youcommenters can help. do they promote their le mansparticipation in europe? with advertisingand marketing? raphael orlove: because i don'tfeel like there are a lot of honda fanboys who arethinking like, oh, man, so juiced for the lmp2 win. i don't think that'shappening.
mike spinelli: corvette, leo. leo parente: yes? mike spinelli: so they'vehad some misfortune. two really, really long pitstops that put them behind in what was before a very,very close gt field. what does this mean for-- raphael orlove: isaston back on? mike spinelli: because i hadpredicted a corvette victory. so i'm feeling a littlechastened.
leo parente: well, the teamfirst of all will turn their attention to winning thealms championship. and that will be the face-savingmove for making the 2012 season a success. leo parente: but there willbe a lot of pratt & miller introspection into what wentwrong here and what can be improved in terms of processand preparation. because to your point, some ofthe events seem to be a little bit self-inflicted and a littlebit operational from
trying to catch up, or make upfor that initial mistake with the wheel nut. leo parente: whatever mechanicalthings happened. whether they were failuresor just kind of misses. we know enough about pratt &miller that they we'll dive into that, too, andfix whatever. le mans is the focal pointof this program. even though it's an americanbrand, they like to promote the fact that they area global winner.
and they are not getting thisjob done with a p1. it's big. leo parente: it'llbe a lot of-- mike spinelli: headswill roll. you think heads will roll? leo parente: i wishi could say that. and i'm not sure i'm allfor the heads-will-roll philosophy. mike spinelli: right,i'm sure.
leo parente: i think that pratt& miller has a great relationship with thegm executives. and whether it is a relationship[inaudible] beg forgiveness or some greatpowerpoints to justify what happened. there'll be some powerpointsflying. leo parente: there'll be somepowerpoints flying. i don't think anyone's goingchop anyone's head off from the gm side.
having said that, pratt & milleris thorough enough that will look within themselves andbe honest with themselves, as they used to be,i hope, and fix whatever needs to be fixed. mike spinelli: here'sa question. so honda may not be promotingthemselves in le mans to the extent that maybethey could be. but they are promotingthemselves in indy. so it's a matter of geographics,right?
so it really is aboutamerica with honda. leo parente: i guess so. mike spinelli: i feellike they're conceding europe somewhat. i don't know how to argueagainst that statement. because i can't think of hondaracing advertising and marketing in europe. i mean, last time i was there,i didn't specifically look. leo parente: i'll have topick up my autosport and
see what's out there. mike spinelli: you know? i don't remember seeing them inautosport or in motor sport or octane or evo, or whateverthe magazines [inaudible]. mike spinelli: wow,look at that. it's winding down. leo parente: you want toget us to break here? mike spinelli: we're goingto get to break in a couple of minutes.
leo parente: you'regonna do it. mike spinelli: look at that. i'm going to get us to break? leo parente: yes you are. mike spinelli: man. man, oh man. josh, just give methe countdown. so we're doing ok. commenter robherbertmk1, "hondadoesn't currently have
directly related road cars whichlink into the race cars. people can't relate." that'snever really stopped companies like them and toyota before. leo parente: what bothers meabout that statement-- and i'm sure it's true, thatcommenter-- i thought honda used to be anengineering company that prided themselves on theirengine performance and engineering discipline,which i thought was a transferable skill.
and you know what we'reforgetting? mike spinelli: what's that? leo parente: honda's kickinga in motogp. you know, you're right. although-- leo parente: thereis no although. leo parente: casey stonerand the boys? but lorenzo is putting up a hellof a fight with yamaha. leo parente: yes he is.
yes he is. mike spinelli: butyou're right. no, you're right. i mean, they have the bike. leo parente: right now it'sbeen a honda year. mike spinelli: theyhave the bike. they do. leo parente: and i wonder ifthat's where they're doing the hey, look, we still how to winand race and engineer things.
mike spinelli: you know, theydid do that we engineer dreams kind of thing. what was that? but they do consider themselves an engineering company. so when they do promotethemselves as a racing brand, they do it in the context ofbeing an engineering company. leo parente: having said that,i hope the 2014 rules and the nsx come together in some typeof gt for le mans that gets
out-and-out branded honda oracura or whatever the heck it's supposed to be. also, alex roy isstill racing. so we don't have any updates. raphael orlove: by the way, the59 luxury racing 458 got a rear puncture. mike spinelli: wow. so the ferrari-- leo parente: was thatthe p1 car?
raphael orlove: theywere number two. mike spinelli: the wererunning number two. raphael orlove: so theywere number two. now they are in the pits. 209 laps, still two laps down. i'm looking at my most recentlive timing, they're still two laps ahead of the aston. but it just goes toshow things can go wrong for ferrari.
and there are plentyof hours to go. there are. raphael orlove: crazierthings have happened. as i am wont to say. mike spinelli: as you are. leo parente: ferrari's tiredown is great news? mike spinelli: great news. leo parente: of course it is. raphael orlove: greatnews, everyone.
the [inaudible]-- mike spinelli: great news,how are we still awake? you don't want to know. actually, you know,it doesn't matter. mike spinelli: so "honda puttheir motogp guys on their f1 program and loused it up bigtime," says cpande1. leo parente: whatwas that again? mike spinelli: "honda put theirmotogp guys on their f1 program and lousedit up big time.
they take committee-baseddecisions now, not with racing iq." raphael orlove: this sounds tome like a lot of armchair-- mike spinelli: well i don't knowanybody on the inside of the old honda, that connectionbetween honda f1 and honda motogp. that i don't know. leo parente: but now motogp'sdoing well? but motogp is doing welland f1's gone.
i don't know it. leo parente: not sure whatto say about that either. so why don't we pick up thebreak pace here and get you refreshed, get us refreshed. mike spinelli: well,wait a minute. we got another question. "leo, you noticed that chevy hasseemingly thrown away all the big races." mike spinelli: is theresomething bigger?
male speaker: what would bethe implications of that? mike spinelli: well, that'sthe question. what would be the implicationsof that, if there are any? are there any? leo parente: throwingaway the big races? leo parente: they've passedup opportunities. they've missed opportunities isthe politest way to say it. male speaker: well, the otherthing that we talked about earlier in the year at sebringwas, i heard from a few
different people about bmwnot passing up races, but sandbagging. leo parente: there's a whole-- male speaker: are we allowedto talk about that? and we'll do it afterthe break. male speaker: ok. leo parente: and we areback from the break. so you were making a commentabout the gt class, was it? or did i get confusedduring our break?
mike spinelli: i don't remembermaking a comment. but i'll see yourmisunderstanding and i'll raise you a misinformation. a bit of misinformation. leo parente: wonderful. and then we'll just lieto the audience. mike spinelli: we'lljust to them. leo parente: and havethe trifecta. mike spinelli: oh,wait a minute.
we got a spin out. oh, and that is the-- leo parente: the numberone audi. mike spinelli: theaudi one car. leo parente: are you kidding? male speaker: oh, no way. mike spinelli: yup. leo parente: thatlooks too dark. is that a replay?
mike spinelli: yeahthat was too dark. that's a replay. mike spinelli: but wait aminute, when did that happen? raphael orlove: that's old. that's when that porschecrashed [inaudible]. but i will tell you thatthe number three audi has indeed passed-- leo parente: the rebellion? did that hurt foryou to say that?
raphael orlove: i don'tknow what you're talking about, leo. raphael orlove: i'm just-- leo parente: sick of me. to put that in perspective, notbusting you chops, we now have audi one, two,three, four? we have audi one, two,three, five. mike spinelli: well, rebellionis still four. leo parente: so which rebellionare you talking
about getting passed? raphael orlove: wait. i have no idea whati'm talking about. please disregardme, apparently. mike spinelli: wow,what happened? leo parente: i've been doingthat since the third hour. but what's your point? mike spinelli: so wait,what just happened? raphael orlove: nothinghappened.
mike spinelli: are you serious? nothing? not a single thinghas happened? raphael orlove: i'm pretty surenothing has happened. leo parente: i love the dramaticvoice inflection and nothing happened. raphael orlove: i got a littleconfused, i thought the lola was higher a minute ago. so you were going to saysomething, michael?
i was gonna say that i thinkit's possible that aston actually has a chance, in gt, ofcoming back and getting on the podium. leo parente: and to that point,have you refreshed yet? because i have a feeling thatit's showing aston now on the same lap as the-- third. leo parente: and theirback in third. is that true?
mike spinelli: and they'reback in third, yes. see? i told you. leo parente: unbelievable. mike spinelli: i toldyou, darn it. raphael orlove: aren't theystill two laps down on the next car and four laps down? leo parente: they're three lapsdown from second place. but they passed the fourthplace car to
get onto the podium. they're at 218 laps compared to222 for the number 51 and 220 for the 59 car, which[inaudible]-- leo parente: man, theaston will not die. so here's another question. does the corvette havea chance to get into podium plus one? leo parente: well, there'senough hours, sure. mike spinelli: ontothe the rostrum.
can he get on the rostrum? leo parente: i never knewit was called that. mike spinelli: the rostrum. that's in the points,i believe. in the points, it'sthe rostrum? but that's-- raphael orlove: i havethe internet. mike spinelli: you havethe internet? why?
do we have a problemwith the internet? raphael orlove: no. andi can do google. mike spinelli: typein rostrum. leo parente: well, the ferrariis running two-plus seconds slower than the corvette,the p4 ferrari. and the two quickest cars in theclass, i take that back. the p1 ferrari isrunning 3:56es. the aston's running 3:56es. the corvette's running 3:56es.
so fisichella in the af corse isnot gonna concede anything. even though he's two laps up. and they're just runningpaces that i think-- mike spinelli: oh, who's thefag with the macbook. oh, what's up? leo parente: is that whatthey said, commenter? not18lm13, you so cool. male speaker: [inaudible]your boyfriend. leo parente: i don't even wantto know what happened.
mike spinelli: i'm sorry. male speaker: thatwas not nice. mike spinelli: i'm sorry-- raphael orlove: we likeall of our commenters. except i don't like not18lm13. male speaker: [inaudible],i'm sure he's a nice guy. mike spinelli: no. no, no, no. we've heard that all day. and screw it.
what are you gonna do? are you gonna come and get us? male speaker: honestly, ourmacbooks eat their pc's of shit for breakfast. back to the race thatwe're watching. so "do you guys agree that thenurburgring 24 is more relevant to the auto industrythan le mans?" mike spinelli: why? raphael orlove: it's awesome.
but i don't see how it'sany bit more relevant. it's only gt cars. it's just a bunch of people withmoney having a good time at the nurburgring. mike spinelli: well, thereare more classes of cars. there are more cars that areclose to [inaudible]. leo parente: how do you jumpto these conclusions? that's the only reason that iget turned off sometimes when you make these candy-asscomments that
are just purely opinion. it's like, i like black, sothat's the best color. raphael orlove: firstof all, it is. and you're wrong. leo parente: say it in german,and then vettel and i will both hate you. why do you think, seriously,even though nurburgring is all gt. why do you think it's notas important as le mans?
raphael orlove: notas relevant? raphael orlove: well, it'scertainly getting a lot more publicity and everyonelikes it more. and there's a chance that itwill become the big race that people watch. leo parente: but the "relevant"word is not a marketing word. the "relevant" word issomething more-- raphael orlove: well, no.
the "relevant" word isa marketing word. because when you put your adnurburgring winner or le mans winner, what has morecachet with people? leo parente: whatdo you think? raphael orlove: i stillthink it's le mans. mike spinelli: le manshas more cachet. raphael orlove: but i wouldbe very happy if it was nurburgring. because the race ismore awesome.
mike spinelli: well, you knowwhat's interesting-- leo parente: the raceis more what? raphael orlove: awesome. leo parente: awesome? raphael orlove: in thathard-to-define, totally overused sense. leo parente: you couldwrite ad copy, you know that? mike spinelli: but the thing ilike about nurburgring 24 is
that there's a widerrange of cars. there are cars that are muchcloser to what you have on the dealership floor racingin that race. and for good measure, youhave some old bmws. you know, you got some e-36,three series running. that's where the awesomecomes in. but i think it's more relevantbecause there are more cars that you can actuallybuy in it. leo parente: so watch meactually try to play both
sides against. i think that you could arguenurburgring is more relevant for the grassroots enthusiastsbecause of the connection to the cars, as you said. raphael orlove: and connectionto video games. leo parente: good point. from a corporate standpoint, ithink the gravitas and the formality and the longertradition of le mans makes it a better marketing campaign.
and i hope that the wec, fia,aco rules make it more relevant as a technicalexercise for both gt and overall. raphael orlove: would you behappy if the nurburgring 24 and the le mans 24 switchedbudgets promotion-wise, tv coverage-wise. wouldn't that be amazing? leo parente: i think porschetold me they spend more money on hospitality at thenurburgring 24 than
they do at le mans. raphael orlove: that doesnot surprise me in the least, yeah. leo parente: well, then you'rea smarter guy than me. it surprised thehell out of me. but it tells you something abouthow those races work. raphael orlove: they'rein germany. people are going to care. they've got their homemarket to defend.
leo parente: who won morele mans than porsche? they own le mans. raphael orlove: theyowned le mans. and then audi woneverything for-- raphael orlove: but porscheowned the nurburgring. and they had aston martin tofight for quite some time. aston martin, that wasa real battle. aston martin really wantedto claim the nurburgring for their own.
they built their own test[inaudible] thing over there. they had ulrich bez, whowas racing everything. they were racing all thosevantage cars and giving them out as press cars to everymagazine that would take them. they were really trying tochampion the nurburgring. and porsche is still winningwith all their [inaudible] cars. leo parente: in their racing? in their racing.
that was how they were gonna-- leo parente: did we answerthe question? or did we just beat itlike a baby seal on a palin family outing. i love that line. i think that's exactlywhat we did. i no, i think you surroundedthe issue and flooded the zone. i don't know what thehell happened.
i wasn't even listening. leo parente: someone askedwho are the top three cars in the race. and it, besides the obvious,it's the audis. we have lotterer in p1,p1 last year so this could be a repeat. the kids. we have dindo capello in thenumber two car, which is kristensen and mcnish.
the gentlemen, themature team. and then number three wehave the r18 ultra. raphael orlove: should i startrooting for the [inaudible]? leo parente: i'm rootingfor the old guys. and we have rockenfellerin the car. the regular ultra is in p3. your rebellion lola is sittingin four, 243 laps. and the other r18 ultra isnow only one lap behind. raphael orlove: andstill turning
significantly faster laps. leo parente: why ami not surprised? so hang in there, boys. you'll be able to announce tome that your lola will be passed by that audi and it willbe one, two, three audi anytime soon. mike spinelli: by the way,who's in last place? leo parente: last place? who's last overall.
leo parente: no, the delta'snot still running. mike spinelli [nasally voice]:so, could you please update us on the deltawing, its currentstatus on the le mans circuit? [normal voice] it dnfed about six hours ago. [nasally voice] it can't possibly be. no, wait a minute. i'm going to check on
fastlanedaily.com,derek d knows. what was i saying? did you have an actual answerfor this question? leo parente: yeah, no. i gave up long ago. what's the last car overall? raphael orlove: i can'ttell which one's are-- leo parente: you can't withthis timing and scoring. raphael orlove: which is thelast one that actually dnfed.
the live timing isnot showing. mike spinelli: justlook at the am. look at the last am. that's probably it. leo parente: no, actually, ihave a feeling it was the pescarolo that dnfed prettyearly in this race. i may be wrong, becauseit kind of came back. male speaker: the laststill running. mike spinelli: the laststill running?
mike spinelli: laststill running. i can't tell on this live timingwhich one is actually still running. look at the lap count. mike spinelli: the prospeedporsche 911 did 180 laps. that's pretty far down there. leo parente: that'spretty far down. mike spinelli: so let's see. leo parente: is that thelast amateur car?
there's a 458 that did 146 butthat must have retired, right? leo parente: well, it shouldsay on the left-hand side whether it's running or pit. pit. running. looks like the last running caris the prospeed porsche with 180 laps, a mere71 laps down. leo parente: that may be it. mike spinelli: i thinkthat's probably it.
raphael orlove: wait, wait,wait, wait, wait. is this a fight forposition four? leo parente: no, that'san e-tron quattro. so it was passing. raphael orlove: grumble. mike spinelli: grumble,grumble, groan. oh, i didn't mean to own derekd. that was a prop. that was props toderek d. what? did i really?
male speaker: it was great. mike spinelli: i'm sorry,derek d, i meant that as compliment. leo parente: we're onebig happy family. is just a coincidence-- male speaker: [inaudible] callin right now and complain. leo parente: derek? mike spinelli [nasally voice]:wait, wait a minute. how could you possibly--wait a minute.
derek d is better than everysingle one of you jerks on the television right now. leo parente: didthey say that? mike spinelli: no,i made that up. don't encourage these people. they will actually type that. somebody claims to have pulledthe engine out of his car while listening to us. i wonder if he meant to pullthe engine out, or he just
sort of had to, like-- leo parente: you know whati'm really scared of? mike spinelli: i'm somad, i will rip the engine from this vehicle. leo parente: so that's whatthe kids are calling-- my point is, maybe-- leo parente: maybe what hepulled out is not really-- mike spinelli: oh, his engine. leo parente: his engine.
mike spinelli: he pulledout his engine? raphael orlove: [inaudible]some fluids. male speaker: is that whatthey're calling it these days? mike spinelli [nasally voice]:hey, what's the stroke on your engine? raphael orlove: smoking tireis apparently watching. fine. raphael orlove: the smoking tireis apparently watching. leo parente: derekd is the best.
smoking tire's watching? where, by the way, is chrisharris and matt farah calling in. i don't know is a good answer. mike spinelli: ah, i soundlike pee wee herman. hah. heh heh. my-- ah.
leo parente: what isthat, a chipmunk? are you doing a chipmunk? mike spinelli: no, i havesomething stuck in my throat. leo parente: dome pescarolo islast, because our commenters are actually paying attention. the dome pescarolo is last? leo parente: that'swhat the guy says. raphael orlove: ilove that car. i got to read this.
ask leo what it would be liketo have a new canam series with today's techbut old rules. mike spinelli: oh, you know,i forgot to ask you that question before. i think bigrigger78asked that before. leo parente: it would be likeseven gs cornering and 300 miles an hour. and every driver's corneas wouldjust pop right out of their eyes.
they'd be like, i can'tsee anymore. i read this somewhere that we'regetting close to having to wear g suits inthe f1 cars? that would be interesting. imagine if they had oxygenand pressurized suits. when you say g suits,do you mean-- leo parente: well,for you legs. raphael orlove: pressurized? leo parente: no,for your legs.
you know how the g suitshave the compression? you have to explain this. mike spinelli: compression. they're actually pushingthis way. to the blood from goingwhere it shouldn't be. because it is bonkers. what is it? five or six in turn whateveris in turkey? leo parente: i haven'theard it that high.
but that could be. mike spinelli: what'sthat called? the parabola is atmonza, right? male speaker: i don'tthink that's true. raphael orlove: you don't? leo parente: well,five or six gs? i don't think it's that high. male speaker: with the pilots,they put them in the legs when they do loops.
male speaker: it's upand down action. and also it's sustained gs. they'll hold five gsfor six seconds. leo parente: and to his point,though, that four-apex turkey turn is whatever. male speaker: you can't preventthe blood from going to one side of the body. leo parente: what ifi raised my leg? i don't know what i'mtalking about again.
damn it. don't call me out on that. what if they put a compressionon your head? male speaker: you're kidding. it's going to be aclosed cockpit. and it's going to be a whole pressurized zone like a spaceship. leo parente: i feel like i'min a spaceship right now. mike spinelli: i just wantto say, i love this.
but i'm going to missthe last train. leo parente: right now? mike spinelli: ifi don't switch places with jf or somebody. oh, diabolica. that's what you're talkingabout right? leo parente: is thatwhat it's called? that's not what it's called. the parabolica is monza.
raphael orlove: that's monza. mike spinelli: the diabolicais turkey. leo parente: i likethat [inaudible]. mike spinelli: i love it. pinkerton motorsportssays diabolica. the diabolica, rah. leo parente: that isan archer line. i raced the diabolica. mike spinelli: i pulled eightgs on the diabolica.
mike spinelli: so here's mychallenge back to you. [inaudible], which is acompression and high gs. but it's not long enough. leo parente: not long enough? it's just that little pop? mike spinelli: so if you weregoing down and then slamming straight up, thatwould be nuts. i'm all with you. mike spinelli: it would be likeflying the vomit comet.
leo parente: stay,spinelli, stay. i wish i could. leo parente: what would yourather have, gt spec cars instead of gte? i like gte, but-- mike spinelli: parabolica. i think these guys are right. i think parabolica is the-- the nickname for the turkeycorner is diabolica.
mike spinelli: is diabolica. that's the nickname. raphael orlove: it'sthe nickname. mike spinelli: right, sowhat they call it? raphael orlove: it's officiallycalled turn eight. i think mike spinelli: turn eight. thank you very much. all right, cool.
just straightening that out. leo parente: train to where? the train to hell. mike spinelli: train to hell. raphael orlove: so leo,obviously at some point these regulations between the seriesare going to coordinate. and gte and gt3 are goingto be pretty much the exact same thing. what would you rather gotowards, gte, or would you
rather edge towards gt3? leo parente: how about this. i kind of don't thinkit matters. because here they went from gt1to this gt2 which became gte to slow the cars down. raphael orlove: right. leo parente: and guesswhat happened? they're still going quick. leo parente: so i thinkthe gte spec
gives you this restart. but i kind of don't care. because they're going to bequick eventually again. and things like the mclarenand the audi r8-- mike spinelli: allright, gentlemen. [scottish irish] please hold down fort man-boobswhile i'm gone. leo parente: i cannot do that. mike spinelli: you must.
you must do it. fort man-boobs needs you. needs you. i don't want to miss me train. and that's not long island[inaudible]-- leo parente: thank youfor sticking around. thanks for being here, leo. and thanks for me being here. jf.
jf musial: a pleasure. mike spinelli: it'salways a pleasure. i wish i could stay longer. damn you, transit system. leo parente: i didn't realizethey turned off the trains. they stop running them fora couple hours at night? mike spinelli: theystop, yeah. leo parente: to clean them? jf musial: hello, everyone.
are you awake? jf musial: i am awake. leo parente: good job. leo parente: how much timeleft in the race? what is our time togo in the race? jf musial: too fucking--uh, too long. leo parente: please, be a fan. jf musial: well, not whenaudi is winning it all. and i'm kind of upset by that.
leo parente: you shouldbe happy. leo parente: seven hours? 7:30? jf musial: i wish there was moreof an event happening, like a race. no, i agree. jf musial: at this point,it's a parade. but i'll be positive. leo parente: we're all german.
i've got my dunkin donuts. raphael orlove:[speaking french] [speaking french]-- raphael orlove: you'renot allowed to say that on the air. leo parente: so here'show things turn quick in gt amateur. that green krohn 458is now in p1. leo parente: the corvettehas fallen back.
god, leo, do the math. six laps, seven laps? eight laps. and the porsche 911 fromfelbermayr, the amateur, is in second place, two laps back. so ferrari, porsche, corvette. corvette cannot holda lead this year. what are you sayingabout krohn? i'm seeing them in third.
leo parente: am i readingthis wrong? i can read this wrong. i need to scroll up. i apologize. jf musial: good moring,everyone. it's porsche, corvette,ferrari, porsche. leo parente: yeah. sorry. my complete bad. i didn't scroll up to thetop of the amateur grid.
jf musial: noforspeed91 pleaseemail josh for your t-shirt. how is everyone? it looks like the better on thehpx is about to die, ian. let's cut to the wide camera. jf musial: producing whiletrying to host. leo parente: youdo everything. jf musial: so i'm looking at thelive timing and scoring at . beautiful in-car footage withthe sun now, i guess,
an hour over the-- raphael orlove: it isseriously gorgeous. jf musial: beautiful out theregoing down the mulsanne straight through the the shadowsof the trees in the number three audi r18tdi ultra into the first chicane fast. that's where romain dumasknocked up the tire wall behind the number 79flying lizard. and then got out and proceededto beat the crap out of his
r18 ultra to make sure itgot back to the pit. it was actually a full-onkarate chop, i do believe i saw. just wanted to maybe confirmthat with someone, but yes. raphael orlove: no, that wasa great moment in the race. him tearing off thefront of his car. jf musial: well, it wasa great moment in motor sports, raph. get it right.
raphael orlove: it was a greatmoment for mankind. one small leap for man, onegiant leap for an audi r18. jf musial: ah. the french champagne. we are back with the hpx. panasonic makes someof the best cameras there are on the market. panasonic. just what you need.
raphael orlove: let's runthrough the gt2 cars again. it's still the 458s leading. it's the 51 car is stillup with a 226 laps. the 59 luxury racing ferrariis down at 225. and then it is the aston justbehind him-- well, not just behind him, at 222 laps. jf musial: hey, noforspeed91please post your email address or email josh at tangentvector.com to get your t-shirt.
jf musial: so jf, did you startwatching le mans when audi started showing up? jf musial: the first time iwatched le mans was actually when bentley was-- raphael orlove: oh, ok. jf musial: like, full fledge? like the full 24 hours? jf musial: that was first timei watched it through as much as i could.
raphael orlove: this is thefirst time i've watched it all the way through. well, it was technicallyaudi, the bentley team. raphael orlove: it wasan audi team, yeah. jf musial: so we have andrelotterer in the number one leading the race right now. last lap time was 4:14, one lapahead of dindo capello in leo parente: so lotterer'skicking butt. he won last year's race.
he won pole positionthis year. he's winning therace right now. i'm starting to thinkhe's making a name for himself at audi. jf musial: it's awesome. jf musial: it's good, man. he's young. and rockenfeller isnumber three. i mean, number four.
r18 ultra. leo parente: are you proudof audi for sticking with rockenfeller? i mean, he made acouple of errors early in his audi career. remember those crashes? he wrecked out in the firsttwo hours in the r10. leo parente: i think so, yeah. but they stuck with him.
jf musial: i think he'sproven himself in dtm. and i think that's wheremost of the season is. and you know, rockyis a great person. he's great on camera. he's verygood with the pr element of the business. and at the end of the day, thisis a business and if you can't communicate the messageand you're a good driver, you're not as good as the guywho can communicate better and is an all right driver.
leo parente: is he german? he's german. leo parente: and i'm not makinga big deal about it, just curious. but rocky's verygood on camera. and rocky is very goodbehind the wheel. oh, and then there's[inaudible] on camera right there. oh, look at that.
look at the rocks coming up. leo parente: that's what happenswhen you go off track. jf musial: awesome. so if you haven't been watchingthe feed from le mans this year, some amazingfootage. 200 frames per secondacross the track. we've seen a lot of this atformula one races, but now finally we're starting tosee it here at le mans. look at that, there's seth inthe flying lizard 79 car, oh,
the led lights flickering. leo parente: and that'sbecause the frame rate and the led? the led lights are actuallynot consistent. beautiful footage fromthe track right now. i think it's probably aphantom or red camera playback, 200, 300 framesper second. really tight in there. that's like 800 mil.
that's up there. drivers are fully awake, thetrack is coming to life. you have the stands stillkind of empty. the stands will start packingback in in about two hours. if you look throughthe grandstands, not many people there. everyone is pretty muchhung over or drunk. you know how these things go. leo parente: so whichrace car was the
glamour car of the race? which one do you think lookedmost attractive? which would you most like tophotograph of all of them? jf musial: lizards. jf musial: the chromelooks great. the chrome vinyl. leo parente: oh, thatpolish in front? jf musial: yeah, just likethe mclarens in f1. everyone's asking me about kiminow, about his lack of
communication skills. leo parente: oh,kimi raikkonen? kimi, from what i understand,is actually a very cool guy. he just hates the press. and i don't blame him. because we suck. journalists kind of suck. male speaker: he just hasn'tbeen exposed to drive, yet. he might actually like drive.
leo parente: i actuallythink he's very-- jf musial: maybe hewill like drive. drinking games. i actually think he's verygood at communicating. he's just very to thepoint and very efficient with his words. and it's a style thinghe's now chosen. raphael orlove: everything i'veheard about raikkonen is just that he has no interest indoing anything other than
being in a car and being fast. that's what all the peoplewho work behind the scenes have told me. he's just not interested in justchatting around and being a guy, or being a celebrity,or being a personality. he's just a guy whowants to go fast. jf musial: is thaddeusstill watching us? interesting [inaudible] seeing if the guys from thesmoking tire are watching from
their la place. number two e-tron is in pit. leo parente: "kimi seemslike one bad mofo. make me want to get alotus." i like kimi. jf musial: so there arethose bottles again. the patent pending bottles,there they are. leo parente: drink fluid? washer fluid? they are the same size.
jf musial: they arethe same size. one is washer fluid and one isdrink fluid, water, i guess, that they have to interchangeduring almost every pit stop. and it looks like they'reall the same size. so we're all very curiousas to whether or not-- oh, look at that nice littleslide with the ferrari. that's the 51. leo parente: so now weknow where chris is. raphael orlove: found him.
leo parente: foundchris harris. raphael orlove: in a ferrari. jf musial: number four. leo parente: "delta looks likeit would be something to sit on or in or whatever." "kimi'sinterests are racing, drinking alcohol, and sleeping."that's not fair. raphael orlove: you forgoteating ice cream. leo parente: "wish lotuswould get it's sh-- together." yeah, i wish lotuswould do that, too.
jf musial: well, they're makingthe right steps with danny bahar no longerinvolved. my snarky comment when weinterviewed him, when we asked about the funding, is the timehe did not look us in the eye. and if there's a tell,that's the tell. jf musial: he might as well justnot looked at you in the eye ever, and that wouldhave been better. leo parente: that's a whole'nother story, yeah. raphael orlove: so what car isor was heidfeld running in?
leo parente: black lotuslola rebellion toyota. raphael orlove: oh,the number 12. raphael orlove: andthat car is? jf musial: so if you notice,there aren't as many people in pit lane, the crew guys, asthere were say five years ago. it's one air hose now. leo parente: that's true, yes. jf musial: a few years ago,you were able to change multiple tires at once.
now it's only one air hose overthe quote-unquote wall. leo parente: so if i'm right,and maybe other teams do it now the way corvette did it,to speed up that role? jf musial: yeah? leo parente: they had two airhose and guns but one would go to the front of the car, thenthey'd throw it back, bring the second one forward. jf musial: instead of havingto walk it around. and by the way, i'm gonna do thething here, i just saw it
a minute ago. a shout out from-- i just lost it. i hate this chat thing. raphael orlove: you talkingabout korea? i think that was it. you got it? the comment about korea? leo parente: hi, guys.
watching you from us army-- i just scrolled by it. raphael orlove: garrisonyongsan, korea. great job. and great job for you guys. jf musial: korea. cheers to that. korea us army, thank you. leo parente: hey, if we'reentertaining you guys for what
you do, ok. it was worth it. jf musial: hey, it's alexroy is back with us. we're approaching 1:30 in themorning here in new york. again, the sun has risenat la sarthe. it is 7:30 in the morningover there. alex roy is back in the game. alex roy: if you've seen thechappelle video "chicken or fish," you'll recall when davidsays, "back in the game,
baby." well, sorry. jf musial: do youlike turtles? alex roy: i do. you asking me? or was that a commenter? leo parente: "what the heckare you guys watching? type the link." well, wewon't type the link. we're watching, rightnow, speed tv. jf musial: live.lemans-tv.com.
get the live feedand timing and scoring, and in-car footage. if you go to audi.tv, you'vegot live in-car footage and telemetry from the audi r18s. leo parente: and how didthe deltawing end up? it got pushed off track bythe toyota on a restart. six, eight hoursinto the race? leo parente: before sunset. and it had terminal suspensiondamage both front and rear.
so it did the target times,p2 type times. it was running. and it got taken out by anon-mechanical event. jf musial: a lot of people areasking us what cars we drive. leo? leo parente: i drive whatevercar someone loans me. and i rent a car at a hertzstation right around the corner from my newyork apartment. alex?
well, everyone knows you'recollection of cars. alex roy: hold on. i love your car jf, pleasetalk about it. jf musial: i was tryingto avoid my car. you have a very cool car. jf musial: i have a 12-year-oldaudi a4 with 200,000 miles on it. and no air-conditioning anda broken first gear. raphael orlove: don't you havea8 brakes on that thing?
jf musial: how doyou know that? raphael orlove: i knowa lot of things. jf musial: that's interesting. yes, i have a8 brakes. alex roy: because jf's the rubegoldberg of audi fans. raphael orlove: is that thefirst car that you bought? raphael orlove: that'sa sweet story, jf. jf musial: i've jumped it. i've driven it acrossthe country.
leo parente: and by the way,except for the first part of your post, vfa154 black knights,hoo-ah to you guys if that's a military thing. "navyis better." he was doing a comparison to thelast call-out. navy is great, too. raphael orlove: i likegeckos, by the way. alex roy: i have a pet turtlenamed corregador. jf musial: it's a2000 audi a4. corregado is coolerthan you, i think.
alex roy: and i just learnedto save money on my car insurance by switchingto geico. leo parente: and someone'stelling us duval just did a 3:25 in the audi. so they're steppingup the pace. i guess so. let's see. lap times in the 26.-- oh.
leo parente: gotta refresh? leo parente: yeah,there it is. 3:25.6, duval the p5 car chasingdown your rebellion. jf musial: fisichella in the afcorse 458 italia is leading the gt pro section, lap 229. and he is 13 seconds ahead of the other ferrari 458 italia ofluxury racing, number 59. and the aston martin vantagev8 number 97 is a lap down from p2.
jf musial: something goingon in the toyota pit. leo parente: in thetoyota pit? the rebellion toyota? raphael orlove: in thetoyota-toyota pit. jf musial: toyota. toyota hybrid pit. leo parente: are they gonnapull the car back out? jf musial: something'sgoing on. jf musial: interviews.
they're interviewing peopleright now, which is weird. raphael orlove: nothing. alex roy: nothing like twostraight guys on a black leather couch. raphael orlove: hiyo. hey, half my head's on screen. hey, half of my head. jf musial: so what are the oddsthat spinelli got to his train right now?
leo parente: how muchtime did he have? jf musial: 15 minutes. leo parente: yeah, itwould've been tough. jf musial: can you make ita little wider, ian. that's what they're asking. [inaudible] on corvette racing,"i'm impressed. but i feel bad forthem this week." leo parente: corvette racing? jf musial: they had it.
they were up there. leo parente: i think theybeat themselves. and that's unfortunate. jf musial: the number oh-oneaudi r18 is running very fast what everyone is saying. the 01 ultra? jf musial: running 27.2on the last lap. whoa, here we go. the number four audiultra just ran a
26.2, fastest lap yet. last lap, fastest ever,rockenfeller in the car. faster than the two hybridse-tron quattros. he is two laps back behindkristensen, mr. le mans. the look at that, that's fast. the fastest one of the day. fastest lap of the day. how are you guys doing? alex roy: we're talkingabout automotive
journalists we like. . raphael orlove: yeah alex roy: the commenters arewondering what we were whispering about. i was saying how much i enjoyorlove's writing and harigree, who is now editor-in-chiefof jalopnik. and of course, jack baruthover at truth about cars, who's a genius. raphael orlove: i'm a big fan,even though he comes over and
yells at our commentersall the time. alex roy: well, you know,honesty is the best policy. and baruth wrote a nastycritique of my book five years ago, which was so good andbrilliant i called him up and we became friends. he told me i should get onthe track a little bit. and he was right. and because of him, i wentoff and did lemons. raphael orlove: he used to doreally great writing for what
was that site called? [inaudible] wrote forit for like 10 days? alex roy: oh, the commentersare saying they heard everything we said. thankfully it was all cool. raphael orlove: that is good. i'm happy about that. i'm blanking on whateversite it was. but he reposted all of his stuffon truth about cars.
what are they called? avoidable contacts. alex roy: yeah, good stuff. his old stuff's great. i think he's this generation'sak setright. and if you don't know who aksetright is, go look-- raphael orlove: it'sljk setright. alex roy: whatever. if you don't know who setrightis, look up his book drive on.
raphael orlove: [inaudible]really likes that guy. drive on's very extensive,out of print. and a dense read. but it's a really great read. raphael orlove: butavailable at the new york public library. check it out. alex roy: great stuff. while leo and jf arecatching up.
and yes, you're all right,leo never sleeps and he's unbelievable. he should be doing le manshimself, driving. how do you get a job at drive? and i'm asked thisquestion a lot. and the answer would be, wellobviously send a resume. but most importantly, make sureyou've done something really interesting. or you have a skill.
or you're willing to work alot for not much money. and in my case, for manyyears, for no money. but an interesting true storyis that i met jf five, six years ago at a car show. and he was getting anengineering degree. he was in college. and we became friends. and i asked him to help me outwith a cross-country run. and never paid him a cent.
and introduced him to someinteresting people i knew. and as a result, he was one ofthe founding members and the original producer offast lane daily. and today, jf is my boss. and you never know what's goingto happen, who you're going to meet. jf musial: [inaudible]in here. leo parente: it is warm. alex roy: but it's true.
and it really pays-- raphael orlove: it's gettinga little dusty in here? alex roy: to treat everybodythe same. [inaudible] who you'retalking to. and they may do great things. and josh [inaudible], who'sdoing tech as part of the drive team, later. he was jf's highschool friend. josh went on to become anemployee of mine, become the
polizei webmaster,designer of our clothes, and a great friend. and now is part ofthe drive team as well and another project. jf musial: thank you. that was some nice words. alex roy: well, it's all true. alex roy: spinelli, in fact, thegreatest thing is spinelli came to my house six years ago,i didn't know who he was.
and he said we reallywanted to start a site called jalopnik. i'm like, you're nuts, buthey, good for you. and he did. so here we are. jf musial: you knew spinellibefore jalopnik? jf musial: that's insane. raphael orlove: when he waswriting for [inaudible]? mike spinelli: i don't knowwhat he was doing.
he looked exactly the same. leo parente: fastest time justgot trumped by duval. jf musial: duval wasthe fastest time. raphael orlove: are you talkingabout duval's 3:25? jf musial: oh, no. oh, are they going at it? these-- i'm talking about duvalat the 3:25.7. alex roy: no, no, no.
leo parente: 3:25.6. jf musial: 3:25.6. so the ultras now have fastestlaps above the e-trons. this is all engine mappingat this point, right? and i also am waiting for thevanity lap from the e-trons before the race is over. you know how vettel alwaysturns that fastest lap out at the end? jf musial: well, they all havedifferent engine maps and fuel
maps and whatnot. and they don't get to thefastest bit until the very end of the race. and they push the limitsof their luck. leo parente: and again, i'msorry to interrupt. leo parente: but duval ischasing down rebellion to get the last audi-- raphael orlove: notgonna happen leo parente: in p4.
one more lap to catch him? the rebellion is going to startpulling out probably 12-second faster laps. leo parente: i'm sorry. it's the fantasy comment fromour jalopnik friend. alex roy: well, [inaudible] tosay about the ultras being faster now. you were alluding to earlierabout new technologies. two things are happening withthe e-tron and the new
technologies. a, audi is learning exactlyhow to deploy them. and initially, they have tolearn how to deploy them within the restrictions. there's two conflicting dynamicsrunning simultaneous with the prior gen car, wherethey already know exactly how to run it. and the restrictions and thetechnology, it's not one variable, it's two variables.
plus stress. leo parente: stress? technical stress or stresson the driver? alex roy: both. and it's similar to staying on adiet, which i've been on for years, and eating aggressivelyand enjoying it and then feeling guiltless and being ahypocrite, which is onto a whole 'nother topic. but there's a lot of questionsabout 3207, which i don't
really want to talk about. because i want to dorace coverage. jf musial: lindsey chen iswatching now, old next new networks fast lane[inaudible]. alex roy: oh, well, shoutout to lindsey chen. the answer to 3207 is that,although i own a strong minority, i don't control it. and i'm disappointed andfrustrated in it's not having come out.
but there will bebig news soon. and it's not an announcementthat it's coming out. but it is an announcement thatwill be entertaining for everyone who wouldlike to see it. everyone in this office haspretty much seen it. and jf in fact editeda recent version. but i can tell you this,when it does come out? it will be awesome. if only i didn't have tostruggle with trying to get it
to come out, whichis not up to me. if it was, it wouldbe already. jf musial: i've watched it. it's great. raphael orlove: by the way,anyone who's wanting to get more technical info, the placeto go is definitely race car engineering. that's racecar-engineering.com. you can do a /lemans, butthere's a tab, it
will show right up. some of their stuff you haveto pay to get to it. but it's a good starting pointto see interesting stuff on the technical side. alex roy: i have a question forleo, which i'm going to ask because of a questionasked of me. one of the commenters is askingwhether my record cross-country is beatable-- 31 hours, four minutes.
and i'm going to turnthat question to leo in a different way. before i went to break thecross-country record, i read a book called the perfect mile,about the struggle for decades for a runner to break thefour-minute mile. and for many years ago it wasconsidered impossible to break the five-minute mile. then it was four. roger bannister, you shouldgoogle him if you don't know
who he is, broke that record. and after he broke it, hundredsof people broke it. he said it was a psychologicalbarrier. but there was, i wouldn't saytechnology, physical training of a different sort requiredto break it, different from what olympic athletes weredoing for years. in le mans, obviously over timewe're seeing the record laps come down. was there ever a wallthat engineers felt
could not be crossed? i don't know if there was one,but is there a wall that in the future could neverbe crossed? leo parente: so the best way ican answer that is two pieces. one, i have a feeling thatengineers never think in terms of limitations. they always think interms of what if. so i'm not sure theythink of walls. hell, they look at rulesas challenges, not as a
limitation. and i hate to do it with apersonal example, but in terms of driving, i willtell you this. again, i'm disclaiming. i don't pretend tobe a great racer. but there were times when i wason track and to find the limits of a corner i would getbehind the acknowledged fast guy, and once i couldphysically, visually see that car go through that corner atspeed and follow them through.
i passed that mental wall of,ok, this is capable to do it this quick in this gear,braking, turning in this hard. and whether it was me not havingthe confidence in the ground effects technology, ornot having the imagination, or not having the ignorance orconfidence to go that fast. once i saw it done, the wallwas broken, and then it was easy to not onlydo that speed. but push and go faster. that's the only thingthat comes to
mind from you question. that's a good answer. i mean, it seems to me thatwith the restrictions that evolve over time, that theultimate limit, whatever it is, we're nowhere nearclose to it. because it's both human bodyas well as the cars. leo parente: well, look at thef1 cars as the example. adrian newey, for decades, hasalways found a way to find more speed in the nextdesign and push
performance that much father. whether it's a certain dynamic,or whether it's an overall lap time, or highergs in cornering. all of it seems to be possiblein their minds. and engineering is amathematical exercise, anyway. so i'm sure if they crunch thenumbers and come up with a creative idea, they can finda way to move that bar. alex roy: i know the answer,but i want to hear it from someone who knowsmore than i do.
leo parente: stop saying that. alex roy: will there be-- i mean, obviously there arelimitations on movable aero. how long before we see a raceseries of literally-- our military has rpvs andremotely controlled aircraft and drones. how long before the human bodycannot withstand the forces that a car's capable of beforethere is a race series of-- they're piloted, but remotely.
leo parente: i thinkother things, well besides rc racing? alex roy: well, no, but i meana full-size car series, remotely piloted cars, where thehuman body is taken out of the equation. leo parente: so, for me, therewould have to be something happen in civilizationto negate the importance of humanity. because right now, i think forall the technology, people
still think of racing asa human experience. it's the driver, not the car. the car's the tool todo these things. to take the driver outof the equation, i think you lose something. and as much as it sounds dark,i think that danger and risk is part of the allureof racing. alex roy: and it's part ofattracts certain gentleman drivers to it, knowing full wellthat the risk of death
[inaudible] attract womenwho would not otherwise ever speak to them. leo parente: that'sone way to put it. alex roy: let's move on. raphael orlove: speakingof moving on, the inevitable has happened. leo parente: oh, thepass right there? we're watching it now. jf musial: there we go.
the number three audi-- jf musial: has gottenpast the-- the subtle golf clap, timeto go back to sleep. raphael orlove: no,not my rebellion. raphael orlove: nick heidfeld,who is an awesome dude and has amazing man [inaudible]. alex roy: i have a nominationfor the new best comment of the show. "how long before alex spins outof orbit and collects a
sun?" alex roy: and then second bestcomment. "alex, that'll happen when they put gunsin f1 cars." leo parente: so now where arewe in terms of what audi has to do next to get one, two,three, four, five. jf musial: they'll say,ok, guys, go at it. raphael orlove: wait, we'redoing one, two, three, four, five. they don't have five cars.
jf musial: one, two,three, four. raphael orlove: they alreadyare one, two, three, four. leo parente: so they've gotall-- that's right. they've got all theircars in the lead. alex roy: i loveour commenters. they're just wonderful. raphael orlove: theyare great. jf musial: so audi,what do they do? they've got their le mans winnerfrom last year in p1.
they've got mr. le mans,tom kristensen, in p2. they've got their dtm-- i don't know whatyou call him. they have their dtm championrockenfeller in third. and duval in fourth. leo parente: i actually thinkthis is going to be a real test of the ethicof this team. do they hold station? wow, look at this.
jf musial: that's sad. for broken cars. jf musial: i never understoodwhy they park all the cars out away from everyone. leo parente: i'd have to ask. i couldn't tell you, either. jf musial: i recognizedthat last year. the put them all on the samespot, they wouldn't let the teams take their cars.
and speed is back totheir typical crap. alex roy: alex, why did you buyhalf-shell toes and not full-shell toes? those are limited editions,by the way. alex roy: i fracturedmy ankle. i needed to wear somethingthat was comfortable. and i've had these foralmost 20 years. leo parente: so i guess i wantto ask the group here and the viewers, audi has their carsin top four positions.
the two e-tron quattrosare one and two. i know we would allwant them to race. but if you were running theteam, would you hold station or would this be a signaturemoment for the ethic of the team and you'd let them race. trusting that the driverswon't screw this up? jf musial: you need onee-tron quattro to win. jf musial: for thepress byline. jf musial: for theheadline, rather.
leo parente: so whatdo you think the spirit of the team is? alex roy: do you want toget paid next year? jf musial: no, no, no, no. so who's the closestright now? lotterer to krisensen? leo parente: yeah,pretty much. jf musial: they'll let thosetwo just chill out. i think the battle will bebetween the two ultras.
i don't know what'sgonna happen. or they'll have rockenfellerand kristensen go at it. so you've got one successive lapfrom p1 to the p2 e-tron. and with pit stops, they'vebeen kind of sneaking themselves onto thesame lap, kind of. and then you've gotanother lap back-- jf musial: we have afire in pit lane. fire in pit lane. raphael orlove: ferrarion fire.
oh, my gosh [inaudible]. jf musial: number 15-- leo parente: stop cheeringfor stuff like that. it's just-- should i cool it? male speaker: the audience'srespect is yours to lose, orlove. jf musial: it's a tire onfire, not the actual-- jf musial: i guess itwas a brake rotor
or brake disc fire. so i'm still lookingfor the answer. would you let the audis race-- leo parente: or just gonnarun in succession? raphael orlove: definitelynot let them race. alex roy: succession. alex roy: it's theirs to lose. they've done this before. they know better.
it's a corporate decision. e-tron is the futureof the company strategically road cars. they're not kidding around. they've invested so muchinto this program. they have to get the headline. audi hybrid sweeps podiumat le mans. guess what we'll see in thedealerships in four months? alex roy: e-tron r10.
leo parente: and does thatdepress you, that racing just became really, reallycorporate? alex roy: not at all. they're here for a reason. jf musial: [inaudible]some racing. alex roy: they made le mansinteresting and improved the road cars for the people whowant better fuel economy, which is better for everybody. jf musial: the numberone audi is in.
we have lotterer out. i'm not sure who's gettinginto the car. gonna wait until he plugsin his helmet. everyone is asking for youto destroy the set again. please do not. leo parente: and we're notasking for you to do that. "let them race to see if thee-tron is worth it." it's car, it's not going to happen. alex roy: look at the screen.
leo parente: oh, that wasa big enough fire. alex roy: save the italias. new shirt. leo parente: that'sthe waltrip car. wow, that is more thana brake fire. alex roy: that's an ego fire. leo parente: that's therubber on fire. brian vickers, theex-nascar guy. alex roy: well, ferrari againpulls out a demonstration of
their fire-suppressiontechnology. leo parente: now the wrong endof the car is on fire. jf musial: that was thewaltrip racing car. alex roy: someone's gettinglaid tonight. leo parente: and waltrip did apartnership with af corse. alex roy: that fire's so bad,it looks a lamborghini spec series in eastern europe. leo parente: "angry uncle leo."did i get angry at him? they're actually gonna push theferrari back to the pit
stall and try to fix it. leo parente: because i thinkthe tire caught on fire. jf musial: probably a lotof clag in there. oh, he actually gotit running again. jf musial: i don't knowhow he's gonna stop. alex roy: he's like[inaudible] on the way to a [inaudible] party, nothing can stop him. jf musial: whoa.
leo parente: the tireburned off. alex roy: awesome. that's awesome. raphael orlove: thatis gnarly. jf musial: that is prettycool, though. you must admit. raphael orlove: no,it's awesome. alex roy: if you're not surewhat we're watching, we're watching the speed coverageof the formerly on fire,
front-left smoke-out barbecueparty in the ferrari pit. which is literallya ferrari pit. raphael orlove: if you'relooking for good streams, there's always a couple goodlinks on [inaudible]. jf musial: i think thereare rules against that. if something's on fire. oh, awesome 200 frames persecond of the waltrip racing. alex roy: they should actuallyadd a flame gun in front of the wheel.
so when you're passingand winning-- jf musial: these shotsare amazing. raphael orlove: that isactually fantastic. leo parente: so the pitlane was not on fire. it was the car on fire, it'stire, coming into pit lane. someone's going to take thisfootage and make some pretty amazing stuff. there's going to be somegood footage from this. raphael orlove: i'm gonnadownload this later and make a
freaking amazing, probablynot legally usable clip. leo parente: audi number oneis still in pit lane. jf musial: if i was about towin, i would just have a little explosive set mycar fire as i arrive at the finish line. jf musial: it looks like thefront end of that car is pretty much intact. they just [inaudible]-- raphael orlove: you jumpout on the mulsanne and
the car blows up. jf musial: get that wheelout of there. justin bell is currentlyinterviewing brian vickers. so what's the brianvickers story? alex roy: named after themachine gun manufacturer from world war i in england, hiscareer in racing has now become legend. jf musial: that'sawesome footage. alex roy: next year's liveryis just gonna be flames.
[inaudible] cooler that way. alex roy: well while you guysare silently watching the interview with him, i'mgonna ask a question which makes no sense. but it will entertain thoseas tired as i am. how long before there is aseries in a third-world country, not sanctioned by theaco that resembles spy hunter. because i would totallywatch that. raphael orlove: like,oil slicks?
alex roy: oil slicks, smoke,i mean, unsanctioned combat racing series. raphael orlove: likedeath race? alex roy: yeah, it'd be likedeath race but no guns, no projectile weapons. raphael orlove: i wouldnot watch that. alex roy: because yesterday ihad a great idea for an animal fighting show, which would betaxidermy pit fighting. taxidermy pit fighting,with like rc dogs.
raphael orlove: oh, my god. you make robot dogs? taxi-pocalypse. because you saw thecat copter, right? alex roy: yeah, of course. raphael orlove: so [inaudible]robot taxidermy. alex roy: exactly. my flame-throwing germanshepherd would be unbeatable. raphael orlove: you realize howhorrifying these would be?
alex roy: look at the openingand closing distances in the speed feed we just saw. leo parente: for the peopleasking, there's six hours 58 minutes left. seven hours. alex roy: and the fanshave spoken. "dude, i would watch a spyhunter combat racing series right now." raphael orlove: i would not.
too fake. that's missing the brake zone. raphael orlove: but you knowthe uncanny valley? that would be way in there. alex roy: the uncanny chicane. that's my next book. i love the helicopter shots. it's interesting they don't havethe nascar-type overlay with the data, like we weretalking about earlier.
raphael orlove: dude,you are so correct. they really needthose overlays. alex roy: it's true. i have friends in england. and i went to watch f1 there. and a few years ago, leo i'msure you've seen it, f1 had for a couple of years, and ithink it went away, a very expensive subscription servicewith all kinds of feeds and content.
and it was really great. i didn't know about that. alex roy: ahead of its time. and it went away. it was too expensive to run. too expensive to subscribe. it was just a mess. raphael orlove: even for f1? raphael orlove: so goodluck bringing it to--
jf musial: audi numberone off track. jf musial: duval just setanother fast lap, 3:25.1. so the number one audi is offtrack, we're trying to figure out what just happened. duval in fourth is fast. oh, number one's contactinto mulsanne corner. contact into mulsanne corner. leo parente: with a car? jf musial: with a corvette.
oh, no, no, no. a corvette was in themiddle the road. the audi went into kittylitter to avoid it. back end tapped tire wall. he's coming into the pits. so that will give tomkristensen the lead. leo parente: here we go. alex roy: six hours, 55minutes remaining. this could be interesting.
kristensen to get his-- leo parente: ninth for him. third for mcnish? jf musial: yeah, mcnish was theone that was struggling to get him for many years. alex roy: a lot of commentersjust highlighted that the sky f1 package ran 1,200 pounds. leo parente: that is a lot. alex roy: i believe it.
leo parente: you get apersonal letter from bernie on that one? saying [laughs] leo parente: ha ha ha. raphael orlove: just laughing. leo parente: and theregoes another tire. raphael orlove: tireson the loose. what car is that? alex roy: to commenterthelifeperfect.
i've done the baja 1,000. and although it is nuts, it'snot even close to the kind of violence that i would beprepared to pay for and watch. jf musial: the 74 corvettein the pits. porsche curves. jf musial: he just-- that looks a lot like davidsonand the peugeot. alex roy: he's luckyit's just a tap. jf musial: it could'vebeen much worse.
leo parente: oh, it could'vebeen totally much worse. so wait a minute? so the audi did not go off? there was another incident. question for leo, again. so you have runoff areas,gravel, and tire walls. obviously, the leap from no tirewalls to tire walls was a big one and a good one. but certainly, there must besomething beyond tire walls.
because you saw that thedavidson crash, the tire wall was backed up by-- leo parente: oh, there it is. hold on. jf musial: tappedthe back end. leo parente: so the larbrespun mulsanne corner, it looks like. oh, he took piecesoff the car. alex roy: oh, a lot of pieces.
jf musial: so he's goingto be in pit lane. jf musial: so alex, to answeryour question-- alex roy: what's thenext generation-- jf musial: look at what'sat daytona. look at all the ovals. they've got the foam. alex roy: why isn't that here? jf musial: well-- raphael orlove: money.
jf musial: on the ovals theyhave concrete barrier, foam pieces, then the soft[inaudible]-- leo parente: oh, thesafer barrier? leo parente: and then theother part to that. and it has to do with havingthe available real estate. the safest thing is justpaving the runoff area. and letting the tires scruboff speed and slow the car down and have enoughroom to do it. break time.
jf musial: oh, yep. ok, everyone. we are at 2:07 localtime in new york. we need to take a60-second break. stick with us. leo parente: we're going intoa hybrid zone to recharge. leo parente: how aboutthat bad joke?
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