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i'm michael prichinello. this is zac mosely. together we run the classiccar club of manhattan. and this is a very specialedition of-- zac mosely: road testament. from-- michael prichinello: ican't remember that. all right, i got it. i got it.
i'll do it one more time. road testament. grotesquament. today we're going to talk aboutwhat you'd fill your garage with-- with $100,000 orthe very specific $87,000; the best driving experience you canhave for $20,000 or less; what the future classic cars aregoing to be; and maybe we might even come up with a bettername for this show while we're here.
good? male speaker: fantastic. fantastic. michael prichinello: i didn'tdo it in order. [music playing] michael prichinello: so we'reat the classic car club bar. we're big fans of drivingand drinking. that's the right order. the other one can get you ina little bit of trouble.
and this is where themembers hang out. we pontificate about things weknow nothing of and pretend that we're an expert. that's how it goes. and today, we're going to betalking about what we think are going to be five solidfuture classics. not classics yet. future classics. i would say one of my top onesis a fox body 5.0l mustang, if
you can still find one. zac mosely: yeah. michael prichinello: they'vebeen used by guidos and ice cube wannabes. or not ice cube. ice-- vanilla ice? [bleep]. zac mosely: hey,you know what?
they're also legitimatelyfast. the first car i was actuallyterrified blind in was a 5.0l mustang. it might-- michael prichinello: me too. zac mosely: i was atmy friend's house. his buddy was back-- he hadenlisted in the army or something-- and they were all building thesedrag race 5.0l mustangs
down in virginia or something. and he brought thething back, and literally turned the corner. i'd barely settledin the seat. i just got thrown back andeverything just started going blurry around me. all i could see was the tachgoing, dvvh, dvvh, dvvh, through the gears,really quick. michael prichinello: i wentto fordham university.
and in freshman year i wasfriends with this guy named greg mulligan. mully guns. that was his name, right? and he's used to drag racehis 5.0l for titles. and on the side, it hadcrinkles, because when you get on the gas it had so muchtorque, it would actually twist up the chassis a littlebit and the skins couldn't handle it.
zac mosely: yeah, that'sa well-built chassis. michael prichinello:and we were-- we were in the bronx, like theworst place you should be, and he was like, come on, i'll showyou what the car can do. and i swear to god, downwebster avenue. i couldn't get outof the seat. i was pinned so far back. and he had done a lotof work to this car. and the whole trip i laughedlike a little girl.
zac mosely: yeah, i remember-- michael prichinello:it was terrifying. terrifyingly fast. zac mosely: we were justshrieking like little girls. michael prichinello: sothat's my one call. i think that's afuture classic. zac mosely: all right. i'm going to go a bit more intothe future, because it's still contemporary now.
but this is like our-- michael prichinello: you haveto wear special headgear. zac mosely: 25 years ahead. i think the porsche cayman s.first generation is going to be a classic. because it's the car that upsetporsche, kind of threw everything off. and it was, oh, whatare we doing? this little baby car canactually outrun everything.
michael prichinello: now-- zac mosely: and it'sactually-- i think it's a beautiful car. it was a little awkward whenit first came out, but i think it's cool. it's got good lines. michael prichinello: i'ma huge porsche fan. i'm a big 911 fan. i actually think caymansare better.
i know. you're not allowedto say it, right? but i think they just put aslightly smaller motor in there-- and that's whateverybody says-- just so it's not as fast as a 911. but come on, it's got a greatwheelbase, mid-mount engine-- that's a cool car. zac mosely: yeah, and once theyadd another couple feet to the 911 and get the enginein the middle, then people
will look back and say, oh yeah,they had it right with the cayman. they just started doing that. michael prichinello: and lowproduction numbers on the s's in america. it's hard to find. i know, because we blewup a motor in one. trying to find a spare motorfor a cayman is impossible. michael prichinello: i wouldsay another future classic
would be any honda thathas an r in it. i don't know, likecivic type r's. zac mosely: especially ones thatare in nice condition. like i love audi 100s from,like, 1983 or something that are really nice. because there's not many of themout there, and most of them are really [bleep]. and they're like $400. but if you find one that someoneactually cared about,
despite the fact that it's worthnothing, it's amazing. michael prichinello:and there's such a culture around civics. like young kids who could affordthem and actually made them quick. there's so many aftermarketparts. there's so many upgradesyou could buy. and i think that's one of thosefew classic that'll be based on what you've done toit, rather than keeping it
stock, right? i think the more you do to thatcar, the cooler it'll be. toyota supra, too. i just had that onein right now. michael prichinello:toyota supra. actually, it's kind of aclassic now, isn't it? it sort of counts. zac mosely: yeah, but theystill show up modernized enough, people don'tit's classic.
you have to go another10 years before it'll be true classic. michael prichinello: i thinkanything from this era with a wagon formation. like 5's. and ok, so a wagonand a big motor. so a cts-v wagon 5 series, m5wagons if you can find them. zac mosely: yeah,audi s4 wagon. michael prichinello: s4 wagon.
in america, they never reallytook off, but i think the euro coolness of them willkeep it going. and they're going to beswallowed up by hybrids or-- not hybrids. what do you call those? crossover. what's a crossover? it's just something that does alot of things half-assed, is what it is.
it's like, when i got my firstmountain bike, and then my dad got into bikes. and he got a mountain bike. then we got my mom a bike,and it was a crossover. it was like the hybridof bicycles. it was just terrible. it had a 10-speed. and it had kind of medium-widthtires that weren't wide enough totake off-road and
too wide to be on-road. it's terrible. it's an awful thing. michael prichinello:it's like x6. bmw x6. also, big bmw fan. i don't get an x6. everybody loves them. i don't get it.
it's not a car. it's not an suv. you can't take it on-road. like really, "it drives justlike a car." no it doesn't. it doesn't. i'm sorry. it's got a higher centerof gravity. it just doesn't. zac mosely: no, i'm going to goagainst you there and say
an x6 m, that could bea future classic. it'll like a lamborghinilm002. michael prichinello: you knowwhat would be better, though? an m6. michael prichinello: the m6would just be better. i don't know. zac mosely: or how aboutthis, the last of the lightweight lotuses. the lotus elises--
it was the first lotus that wasever designed to do more than cross the finishline and fall apart, so it actually worked. and people could reallydrive it. michael prichinello: fortwo weekends in a row. zac mosely: and it's going tobe the last of the true lightweight lotuses, you know? michael prichinello: yeah. also, buick gnx.
it's kind of alreadyof a classic. i'm sort of a big fan of that. i'm from long island, man. that's a cool car rightthere for me. zac mosely: you pulled outone the other day. what was the one from a movie? it was a buick-- michael prichinello: oh, yeah. monte carlo, fromtraining day.
that's like my all-timefavorite car. that one with those wheelsand the hydraulic system. ice cube soundtrack alwaysin the back. or dr. dre soundtrack,always in the back. that's one of my favorites. i think that'd bea cool classic. i saw one in sohothe other day. i had to take a picture of it. i was that guy.
everybody was like,what's this piece of crap in the street? but i thought it lookedcool, man. zac mosely: so have we justdefined our ultimate-- michael prichinello: i thinkwe've just pointed out that we're, like, motor sportmullet dirt bags. zac mosely: so if we have asix-car garage in 25 years, filled with the ultimatecollector cars, apparently it's going to have acayman, which is--
michael prichinello:a necessity. zac mosely: necessity. monte carlo. michael prichinello:necessity. zac mosely: or gnx. a honda civic r. michael prichinello: i'd gomonte carlo before gnx. gnx has a lot more street cred,but i think a monte carlo's just a littlebit cooler.
just a little bit cooler. with hydraulics. and spoke wheels. and a dr. dre soundtrack. zac mosely: any of thosemullet cars. i would want to get one straightfrom the figure-8 track at thursday thunder inscarborough, maine, though. 'cause you go up there, thursdaythunder, everyone-- i think the driver's drinking.
everyone's drinking. doing figure-8 racing. and it's all monte carlos andjust like solid-axle, slide it on sideways. michael prichinello: i wantto go to that as well. sounds right. what other classics? we come up with any others? zac mosely: i can't imagineanything better than those.
male speaker: got a coupe? sorry. z4-- z3. zac mosely: i like thez4 m coupe, but yeah, the z3 was the one. that's the littlehorseshoe thing. michael prichinello: so i'mgoing to throw it to zac, and it doesn't have to be one car.
it could be anything. it could be used. it could be knew. 100 grand-- what do you buy? always for yourself, foryour own garage. and i have access to noother cars anymore? michael prichinello: you haveaccess to no other cars. $100,000 to sort yourgarage out. zac mosely: 100,000.
all right. uh-- michael prichinello:this is such a mitt romney game we play. zac mosely: cadillac cts-vwagon, manual. michael prichinello:that's $62,000. zac mosely: no, i-- michael prichinello:you know somebody. zac mosely: i know somebody.
i almost bought onetoday for $48,000. michael prichinello: oh, used. so we're talking used. zac mosely: yeah, used. i'm not-- michael prichinello:yeah, cool. [bleep] new. break in.
zac mosely: i'd still geta factory warranty. it's a gm car. the first service is100,000 miles. michael prichinello: so wehave, what do we have? we have $60,000 left. zac mosely: no. i have $52,000 left. michael prichinello: how muchdid you say you got it for? zac mosely: $48,000.
michael prichinello:good deal. $52,000. zac mosely: oh, youwant a beer? keep on thinking. so you have a-- so that's a conveniencecar, actually. so you can haul thewhole family-- zac mosely: yeah, that's myfamily-hauler, so now i can have something more radical. michael prichinello: you couldthrow a lotus in there, elise.
no, i wouldn't. i would-- i would buy a clapped-outhigh-miles cayman s and spend $5,000 modifying it. so i have-- so that's going tocost me $32,000. zac mosely: so what ami left with now? i got $20,000? michael prichinello: you canget anything for $20,000.
zac mosely: $20,000? yeah i will. i'm gonna buy-- michael prichinello: no, you canget anything for $20,000. zac mosely: $20,000,at that stage-- michael prichinello: oh. last generation m5. zac mosely: no, i alreadyhave practical. i'm going to get a--
i'd get a e30 m3 race car. michael prichinello: good one. that's how you buy cars. yeah. $100,000. michael prichinello: nah,i don't want $100,000. zac mosely: $87,000. [both laugh] michael prichinello:for $87,000-- zac mosely: make it a littlemore challenging.
michael prichinello: see,i'm different because i don't have children. i don't really needconvenience. zac mosely: yeah, butyou got [inaudible] and you have a dog. michael prichinello:i have a dog. i would get-- for $87,000, iwould get the cayman s from body motion. zac mosely: and that's it?
michael prichinello:and that's it. and tell everybodyelse i bought it. michael prichinello: that'swhat i would get. or $87,000, i would also do-- i would have to getlike a '64 impala. i've always-- that's one category ofcar i've never had. zac mosely: that one-- michael prichinello:like a real low--
zac mosely: that one with thegold-plated everything was like $22,000, and i thinkyou probably could have had it for $18,000. so you have another$69,000 to go. michael prichinello: andthen i would do-- could i get a, could i squeeze a997 high-miled gt3 in there? zac mosely: maybe. michael prichinello:nah, maybe not. zac mosely: yeah, no, youcan get one for $75,000.
michael prichinello: actually,i'd just go get a new cadillac cts-v. zac mosely: ok. you want a brand new car. michael prichinello: yeah,i want a brand-new cts-v. and my other car. best motoring experiencefor under $20,000. zac mosely: i would imagine-- i don't know if you could getan r32 for under $20,000.
yeah. r32? that's a very, very good one. one of the most visceral carsstraight from the factory i've ever owned. best exhaust note. male speaker: [inaudible]. not only that, i thinkours was-- $36,000.
totaled. that car was totaled. written off. insurance check, $36,000. because they reallyhold their-- zac mosely: well,$26,000, but-- michael prichinello: was it? michael prichinello: i thoughtit was from the same [inaudible].
zac mosely: no, no, it is. oh, we-- michael prichinello: oh, we paid$26,000 for it and we got $26,000 for it. zac mosely: and we got it--this is actually a great story, too. this car, a guy walks in hereand he's like, oh, do you ever maybe take a car on tradefor membership? he's a spanish guy.
and we're like, yeah, ok. sure. and i was like, whatdo you have? and he's like i have this r32. and i bought it, and i'vebeen in barcelona. and i don't really drive it. michael prichinello:"barthelona." zac mosely (with spanishaccent): "barthelona," but i don't really drive it.
it's still a cool car. maybe you want to drive? ok? and we're like yeah, sure. guy comes back-- he's like,i need someone to help me get it started. it's been a while. so i send our junior mechanic. he's only three blocksaway in this garage.
brings jumper pack, whatever. brings this thing down. it's like coated with dust. it only has 4,000 miles on it. this was in 2007. so i think it wasthree years old. he was the second owner. the first person boughtit, said, oh, it's too bouncy for me.
i don't like it. took it back. he bought it secondhand. and because he's from spainand he has no interest in american laws and road rulesand stuff, he never even registered it. he still had the paper plateson it from the dealership. and granted, he boughtit at like 300 miles. he did like a 2,000-mile roadtrip in it around america.
brought it back here and thenstarted it up every once in a while when he had a chance. the thing was immaculate. and yeah, we put it on thebooks for like $26,000. and it got t-boned like a yearlater, and $20,000 later-- michael prichinello:by a drunk driver. and they-- michael prichinello: that'sdrinking and driving, not driving and drinking.
zac mosely: and they wroteus a check for $26,000. i can't imagine it wasmore than that new. i mean, it was likemaybe $28,000. michael prichinello: that'sa good car for a $20,000 motoring experience. i also say, you couldsqueeze a last generation m5 into that. zac mosely: yeah, well-- e39.
michael prichinello: e39. zac mosely: which i thinkis epic, you know? michael prichinello:it's a good car. zac mosely: so e39 m5. you could probably do an m3. michael prichinello: depends onwhat the motor experience is, though. if you're looking for, like,motorsport-esque driving, those are all good.
if you're looking to just kindof use a car as a social media tool, then you havea lot of options. you can get a reallycool old porsche, a really cool old mercedes. and there's a lot of greatporsches you can buy for less then $20,000. and because they're porsches,you could actually-- even a ratty one, youcould probably-- michael prichinello:get laid in it.
that's what we're talkingabout, right? like, you know, it'strue, right? we had a member-- still have a member-- and he always liked to drivethe 308's and the 328's, because he said, if you have anew ferrari, it just means you have good credit, but if youhave an old one, it means you have acquisition acumen. michael prichinello: it'skinda true, right?
young kids-- buy something cool, and it'llultimately get you-- zac mosely: oh, you know what iwould by for under $20,000? i emailed it around this week. it's one of my all-timefavorites. it's come back on ebaythree times. michael prichinello: oh, nova. '67 nova with an ls1 in it. and it's a total--
has the same patina as this opalthat we drove in london. it's all kind of rusty and fadedand has black duct tape across the seat. but you open up the enginecompartment and it's got this fresh ls1 and a 5-speedgearbox. the thing's epic. but it's up to like$15,000 on ebay. and you could actually use itas your daily driver and probably get 30 milesto the gallon.
michael prichinello: how muchdoes a fiat 500 [inaudible] these days? $28,000? zac mosely: they're probablytipping $30,000, i don't know. michael prichinello: thatwould be a good one. what's lightweight andcheap that's fun? again, any honda with an r onit, i think, is kind of fun. michael prichinello: you canget a used one for nothing. zac mosely: i would do a tunedvolkswagen golf diesel tdi.
no one's tuned them yet. i bet you could tune thosethings and make them-- i mean, i think they alreadyhave like 240 foot-pounds of torque. you probably would tunethem up to 300 michael prichinello:you've got to solve the flat spot issue. so i like diesel. i like diesel cars.
they got torque-- moreimportant to me than horsepower and all that. i think-- and zac andi differ here-- the truth is you haveto feather it in. when you're squeezing onthe power on a diesel. you've got to feather it in. zac mosely: it requiresfinesse. you get to work with thespooling in the turbine. if you just bash it to theground, nothing happens.
you get nothing out of it. but see, i grew up drivingthose old volvo turbos. you had to finesse them. michael prichinello: i'm all forit, but that's not really good throttle response,you know what i mean? top cars in le mansare always volvos. and i have a theory. zac's a huge volvo-phile. he's like on turbobricksdaily.
he's a minor celebrityin the scene. i don't [bleep] know why. but i think that they do reallywell in le mans because le mans is an endurancerace, and volvo owners are smart and sensible. so i think it's more about thepeople who purchase a volvo than the attributesof the volvo. that's my theory.
zac mosely: see i would tellyou it's because the main bearings in volvo-- and the [inaudible] is the first four-cylinder carwith five main bearings. and they were the samesize as a chevy 350. so they're made to-- michael prichinello:be sensible. zac mosely: well, they were madeto be sensible because that's like, it'll endurehundreds of
thousands of miles. it will also endure a lot ofpower, so you can tune those motors up to like 400horsepower, and the bottom end is not going to fall apart. that's why they're so quick. i mean, those guys, the keystonecops guys with their sad-looking brown volvo. don't be fooled byhow sad it looks. they've got a turbo in there andsome pvc piping, probably
silicone turbo pipes inside. and that thing's probably doinglike 260 horsepower, 270 horsepower. definitely quickerthan our e36 bmw. michael prichinello: the onlything that's wrong with volvos, and makingthem sort of-- if you're into cars and you'reyoung, i think it's a car you get when you're younger,right? you know, you saw [inaudible].
it's like, with turbo. it kind of has like acool nostalgia cool about it for kids. the problem is, you buy thatwhen you're like 17, and you're going to haveit until you're 35. be because it's just goingto keep on going. and you want it to be like yourfirst beater, and then you bring it out to the woods,and you give it a viking burial and all that.
you never get that opportunitywith that car. it just keeps on going. and as it keeps on going, itjust gets sorts of older and more familiar. and becomes likethe family dog. like you really love it, but itfarts a lot and won't die. you can't upgrade it becauseit's still there. that's how i feel aboutthe volvo thing. zac mosely: my first one gotthe proper viking burial.
that's maybe why i canappreciate it so much. what happened was i gavethe keys to my brother. my brother, while-- he's a very sensible guy now. like you take him out-- we'll have him shufflecars around with us, and we lose him. because he won't go over55 miles an hour on the interstate.
he used to be a big wildman, and somehow he blew that thing up. like i put about 100,000 mileson it in high school, and he managed to kill it inlike four months. and i came home. and it was maine, so of coursethere was snow on the ground. and the car, at this point-- theblown motor is up on jack stands, and he had strippedall these parts off to put on his volvo.
so it's sitting there withno wheels, no headlights. it's all just kind of likethis sad carcass. and there was like a ring ofrust around it in the snow. michael prichinello: and toclose our segment, we actually think that road excrement couldbe a really good show, but we'd like to do it live. and so if you like it when yousee it on a thursday, i think if you say a lot of nice, kindwords on the bulletin board and all of those things, theremight be a chance that we have
actually really good guestsfor the show. and we do it live. live! live on the intertubes. zac mosely: live from multiplelocations around the world. how about this? new york, london,the nurburgring. antarctica? michael prichinello:maybe not.
southern new jersey. zac mosely: close enough. that's far enough away. michael prichinello: threelocations around the world. live. and then you guys couldparticipate in it, as well. i think we should do it. michael prichinello: so hit yourlikey buttons and make sure you do things on twitterthat are appropriate for this
sort of thing. and we'll figure that out. bye.
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